(11-03-2014 11:05 AM)toddjnsn Wrote:  

Quote:Really? A directional Michigan school fan is going to heckle UCF?

UCF -- A directional, G5 Florida school -- yes. Or any team that's supposed to be good but loses to UConn (in football).

I think I'll take criticism from a fan of school that has done something, anything in football. Quick trivia for you, which of these three schools hasn't been to a BCS bowl UCONN, UCF, or WMU? You're obviously not a fan of football or watched any of UCF's games' if you think we have a good team. We are okay, not good or great. We've played two complete football games against Temple and Bethune, that's it. We're not that good, but also, maybe your house is made completely of glass.

Marshall is going to put a p5 team on their schedule this season , the date will be on or around Jan. 1 2015.

(11-03-2014 11:08 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(11-03-2014 11:05 AM)toddjnsn Wrote:  

Quote:Really? A directional Michigan school fan is going to heckle UCF?

UCF -- A directional, G5 Florida school -- yes. Or any team that's supposed to be good but loses to UConn (in football).

Quote:Let's face it: The G5 slot is an "affirmative action" slot. Nobody who gets it is likely to actually 'deserve' it,

Maybe, maybe not. It's kind of like the old Big East. The champs got to go to a BCS Bowl, right? A UConn team that got beat by Temple (from the MAC) got to go one year. You could say "whoever wins your conference gets to go" is much the same way. I think in down years for a G5, it is AA-like, in great competitive years it's not AA-like.

This is not a power year for the G5 conferences. But remember, Marshall was 10-4 last year -- they were no slouch. They're 8-0 with a big margin of victory, and a pretty consistent one.

Boise lost to a G5 with a pretty low SoS at 6-2 themselves (Air Force), and a top-tier P5.
Colorado State with 1 loss and best P5 win would have a good chance to challenge Marshall for top spot, but Boise's going to most likely win the conference instead.
ECU has now lost two games -- to a 6-6 South Carolina team + a decent G5 team Temple.

If Boise didn't lose to Air Force, they'd be #1 G5 right now. But, they bonked. Marshall not just has won their games, but have done so very handily. Their Louisville game got last-minute post-poned and a D1AA filler came in. But winning by 20+ to make a statement, and being 8-0 -- if they go 13-0, yeah, they deserve to go. CSU could be a possibility if Boise screws up again and loses a game they shouldn't -- but likely won't happen.

There's always a chance Marshall could lose a game, despite their clear dominance there. CUSA has the best G5 vs G5 record than any other G5 conference. :)

Is that still true?? I'm not so sure anymore at this point in the season.

For the record, C-USA is 16-4 against other G5 schools. The MWC at 12-6 is the only other G5 conference with a winning record against the G5.

AAC is 5-9, MAC is 4-10 and the SBC is last at 3-10.

(11-03-2014 07:57 PM)CoogNellie Wrote:  "He mad" pictures are great because they let you know which posters are children who can't make a coherent point so they just post pictures to "win" an argument on the Internet.

(11-03-2014 06:07 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(11-03-2014 12:36 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  There is simply no excuse for a Conference USA team to play 3 MAC schools and a winless FCS school in their non-conference schedule.

I'm not mad at all. In fact, unless Colorado State wins out, I'm not sure if any G5 school really deserves the access slot. There are worse things than Marshall getting it. They might be the best G5 team. I just don't like the precedent being set if they are rewarded for playing such a weak schedule.

(11-04-2014 07:57 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(11-03-2014 06:07 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(11-03-2014 12:36 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  There is simply no excuse for a Conference USA team to play 3 MAC schools and a winless FCS school in their non-conference schedule.

I'm not mad at all. In fact, unless Colorado State wins out, I'm not sure if any G5 school really deserves the access slot. There are worse things than Marshall getting it. They might be the best G5 team. I just don't like the precedent being set if they are rewarded for playing such a weak schedule.

One could just as easily say that they aren't being rewarded for playing a weak schedule. The only precedent seems to be that if you are unbeaten, and nobody else is, then you will get the chance to get pounded by a Top Ten team.

so basically the message is if you are a wimp and everyone else is a man and challenges themselves and loses, the wimp wins. That is a powerful message.

I really don't know why folks think the committee couldn't take a Boise here and send a message that scheduling like Marshall will never be rewarded.

(11-04-2014 09:15 AM)stever20 Wrote:  so basically the message is if you are a wimp and everyone else is a man and challenges themselves and loses, the wimp wins. That is a powerful message.

I really don't know why folks think the committee couldn't take a Boise here and send a message that scheduling like Marshall will never be rewarded.

Or...
The message is a wimp loses to inferior competition; men don't.

If Marshall wins out, then I hope Tulane seriously considers weakening the nonconference schedule and doing something like this:

- 1 bottom P5
- 2 bottom G5
- 1 FCS

It would allow us to start at 3-1, and make the conference look better than what we did this season (3 average to good P5 + 1 top FCS = 1-3 record).

I don't mind Marshall getting the bid, but if they do then it clearly means that SOS doesn't matter if you're G5.

(11-04-2014 09:47 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  If Marshall wins out, then I hope Tulane seriously considers weakening the nonconference schedule and doing something like this:

- 1 bottom P5
- 2 bottom G5
- 1 FCS

It would allow us to start at 3-1, and make the conference look better than what we did this season (3 average to good P5 + 1 top FCS = 1-3 record).

I don't mind Marshall getting the bid, but if they do then it clearly means that SOS doesn't matter if you're G5.

How would that help? You are 2-6 and 1-3 in your conference. You can schedule the teams, but you need to win the games.

Marshall has a strength of schedule problem. It has been made obvious and discussed ad nauseum; however, they haven't yet lost to other G5 schools or their conference members. Weakening the schedule is not the solution or message. Marshall had some outside circumstances that converged this year to create a bad schedule, but they are playing that schedule like a good team should. If we could have had Louisville and the old CUSA teams, including a strong Southern Miss, when the schedule was originally made, we would. Now, we can only play who is on our schedule and in our conference. The secret is not to lose to perceived weaker teams. Unfortunately, Tulane wouldn't benefit from your sage scheduling plan.

(11-04-2014 09:15 AM)stever20 Wrote:  so basically the message is if you are a wimp and everyone else is a man and challenges themselves and loses, the wimp wins. That is a powerful message.

I really don't know why folks think the committee couldn't take a Boise here and send a message that scheduling like Marshall will never be rewarded.

Alabama and Florida have been consistently rewarded in the past for scheduling ooc that makes Marshall's look good (with the exception of FL-FSU).

(11-04-2014 10:53 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 09:15 AM)stever20 Wrote:  so basically the message is if you are a wimp and everyone else is a man and challenges themselves and loses, the wimp wins. That is a powerful message.

I really don't know why folks think the committee couldn't take a Boise here and send a message that scheduling like Marshall will never be rewarded.

Alabama and Florida have been consistently rewarded in the past for scheduling ooc that makes Marshall's look good (with the exception of FL-FSU).

what year for Alabama? this year with West Virginia? Last year with Va Tech? 2 years ago with Michigan? 3-4 years ago with Penn St? 5 years ago with Va Tech? 6 years ago with Clemson? Yeah- you point holds no water at all. You say that's just 1 game. yeah, pretty much almost every power program schedules 1 good game and thats it.

The amount of butt hurt for the SEC is just remarkable.

(11-04-2014 10:44 AM)WEARE Wrote:  How would that help? You are 2-6 and 1-3 in your conference. You can schedule the teams, but you need to win the games.

^^^Completely this. As many threads that keep getting made about this subject, the bottom line is you have to win. Everyone that states "oh, we can be rewarded if we just schedule like Marshall did" fails to recognize this.

Going undefeated is tough, no matter the conference, because no one in conference wants you to be that way. So every team you face is bringing their best game against you, even if for all intents and purposes, they are not a good team.

And even if you purposefully scheduled week OOC, not only do have to beat all your conference brothers, but you have to contend with how teams in other conferences fare. If another school has a comparable resume, but with 1 good win, you risk not getting the spot. You also don't get those nice OOC paydays either.

So you can attempt to game the system, but there is risk in doing so.

In Marshall's case, you can't even say they attempted to game anything...

(11-04-2014 11:21 AM)wleakr Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 10:44 AM)WEARE Wrote:  How would that help? You are 2-6 and 1-3 in your conference. You can schedule the teams, but you need to win the games.

^^^Completely this. As many threads that keep getting made about this subject, the bottom line is you have to win. Everyone that states "oh, we can be rewarded if we just schedule like Marshall did" fails to recognize this.

Going undefeated is tough, no matter the conference, because no one in conference wants you to be that way. So every team you face is bringing their best game against you, even if for all intents and purposes, they are not a good team.

And even if you purposefully scheduled week OOC, not only do have to beat all your conference brothers, but you have to contend with how teams in other conferences fare. If another school has a comparable resume, but with 1 good win, you risk not getting the spot. You also don't get those nice OOC paydays either.

So you can attempt to game the system, but there is risk in doing so.

In Marshall's case, you can't even say they attempted to game anything...

The OOC paydays are really what drives most schools to schedule those games, and not the positive impact on their SOS. Should they be "rewarded" for seeking "buy games"?

(11-04-2014 10:44 AM)WEARE Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 09:47 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  If Marshall wins out, then I hope Tulane seriously considers weakening the nonconference schedule and doing something like this:

- 1 bottom P5
- 2 bottom G5
- 1 FCS

It would allow us to start at 3-1, and make the conference look better than what we did this season (3 average to good P5 + 1 top FCS = 1-3 record).

I don't mind Marshall getting the bid, but if they do then it clearly means that SOS doesn't matter if you're G5.

How would that help? You are 2-6 and 1-3 in your conference. You can schedule the teams, but you need to win the games.

Marshall has a strength of schedule problem. It has been made obvious and discussed ad nauseum; however, they haven't yet lost to other G5 schools or their conference members. Weakening the schedule is not the solution or message. Marshall had some outside circumstances that converged this year to create a bad schedule, but they are playing that schedule like a good team should. If we could have had Louisville and the old CUSA teams, including a strong Southern Miss, when the schedule was originally made, we would. Now, we can only play who is on our schedule and in our conference. The secret is not to lose to perceived weaker teams. Unfortunately, Tulane wouldn't benefit from your sage scheduling plan.

Tulane had a terrible schedule last year - similar to Marshall's schedule this year - and they were 6-2 at this point.

Yes, it does matter who you play.

Btw, all of the recent OOC series (Duke, GT, Rutgers, and Syracuse) include/included home games. They were not buy games.

(11-04-2014 01:29 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 10:44 AM)WEARE Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 09:47 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  If Marshall wins out, then I hope Tulane seriously considers weakening the nonconference schedule and doing something like this:

- 1 bottom P5
- 2 bottom G5
- 1 FCS

It would allow us to start at 3-1, and make the conference look better than what we did this season (3 average to good P5 + 1 top FCS = 1-3 record).

I don't mind Marshall getting the bid, but if they do then it clearly means that SOS doesn't matter if you're G5.

How would that help? You are 2-6 and 1-3 in your conference. You can schedule the teams, but you need to win the games.

Marshall has a strength of schedule problem. It has been made obvious and discussed ad nauseum; however, they haven't yet lost to other G5 schools or their conference members. Weakening the schedule is not the solution or message. Marshall had some outside circumstances that converged this year to create a bad schedule, but they are playing that schedule like a good team should. If we could have had Louisville and the old CUSA teams, including a strong Southern Miss, when the schedule was originally made, we would. Now, we can only play who is on our schedule and in our conference. The secret is not to lose to perceived weaker teams. Unfortunately, Tulane wouldn't benefit from your sage scheduling plan.

Tulane had a terrible schedule last year - similar to Marshall's schedule this year - and they were 6-2 at this point.

Yes, it does matter who you play.

Btw, all of the recent OOC series (Duke, GT, Rutgers, and Syracuse) include/included home games. They were not buy games.

You were 6-2. It's still not 8-0, and you wouldn't be considered for top G5. It does matter who you play; it also matters if you win. Every school perceived to be below us has lost to a G5 team.

ya they do, get over it

Marshall in the Peach Bowl

before we annoint Marshall to the Peach- lets see what the committee says tonight. If CSU or God forbid Boise are in and Marshall isn't- buh bye Marshall.

(11-04-2014 01:59 PM)stever20 Wrote:  before we annoint Marshall to the Peach- lets see what the committee says tonight. If CSU or God forbid Boise are in and Marshall isn't- buh bye Marshall.

As long as Boise St. doesn't lose, Colorado St. could win the rest of their games by 100 and be ranked top 10 and still not be eligible to be selected for the access slot.

Quote:before we annoint Marshall to the Peach- lets see what the committee says tonight. If CSU or God forbid Boise are in and Marshall isn't- buh bye Marshall.

Even if CSU is ranked higher -- won't matter unless Boise loses another game. The rest of their way is not though (although they did lose to AF, but they seem to be rolling now).

Boise with 2 losses? No. They won't get it. If Marshall was winning their games by 3-13 points? Then there'd be a Boise vs Marshall argument of "who earned it". Boise's BAD loss hurts them. Their Ole Miss loss didn't so much, but it's still Another loss that totally ran away from them starting in the 4th.

CSU is the team to knock out Marshall. But that'd require THEIR loss to take a step down, too, but in the end, if CSU won out and did so relatively strongly, they'd beat out Marshall.