We're Done. Key Factors Yesterday: NCSt Staff out coaching Cuse's Staff, NC St playing turnover free ball along and Cuse having too many injuries. The last item was most important. I was afraid of this. This has been the worst season in recent memory for injuries. I see us finishing out 4-8 now. I thought we would be 6 to 8 win team.

A few season long factors I saw: Eight straight games in the schedule without a break, 3 teams coming off the bye against us and playing the best teams teams early in that stretch really worked against the team's health. This team isn't as bad as the record suggests. No one has blown them out. Can Shafer keep this team playing hard?

Yes, Clemson Fans those were legit injuries on the field you were booing last weekend. You even booed when our own offensive guy went down. Friggin chuckleheads.

Well thankfully, Basketball season is just about here. 'Cuse will be back in FB.

(11-02-2014 09:24 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Well thankfully, Basketball season is just about here. 'Cuse will be back in FB.

Thanks...I'm pessimistic on Hoops. I see us only a borderline NCAA team unless a few guys elevate. The NCAA sanctions also are out there. I still think Shafer can get this thing right and I think we can make a bowl in '15.

You can stick a fork in this entire coaching staff as well. Awful top to bottom and I am tired of the excuses for HCSS. The university needs to take some of that ACC money and channel in into the football program and hire a real HC and a real staff.

We are at a tipping point with the program and if it falls back to GRob like years it nor the fans will ever be back.

(11-02-2014 09:32 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  You can stick a fork in this entire coaching staff as well. Awful top to bottom and I am tired of the excuses for HCSS. The university needs to take some of that ACC money and channel in into the football program and hire a real HC and a real staff.

We are at a tipping point with the program and if it falls back to GRob like years it nor the fans will ever be back.

Marrone's timing to leave really killed us and then he took almost the whole staff to Buffalo. I think Shafer and staff can improve. Firing them in year 2 is not the answer. I hope he can spend some money and buy better coaches on the offensive side of the ball.

(11-02-2014 09:32 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  You can stick a fork in this entire coaching staff as well. Awful top to bottom and I am tired of the excuses for HCSS. The university needs to take some of that ACC money and channel in into the football program and hire a real HC and a real staff.

We are at a tipping point with the program and if it falls back to GRob like years it nor the fans will ever be back.

good programs don't change coaches off 1 bad year where schedule and amount of injuries has killed us. Shafer should get another year. We are no where near Grob level as bad and frustrating as a year this has been as a season ticket holder. Could we use a better offensive coordinator/staff probably. Defensive staff has done a good job this year. Its the players we need better ones as we are no longer in the JV

(11-02-2014 09:05 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  We're Done. Key Factors Yesterday: NCSt Staff out coaching Cuse's Staff, NC St playing turnover free ball along and Cuse having too many injuries. The last item was most important. I was afraid of this. This has been the worst season in recent memory for injuries. I see us finishing out 4-8 now. I thought we would be 6 to 8 win team.

A few season long factors I saw: Eight straight games in the schedule without a break, 3 teams coming off the bye against us and playing the best teams teams early in that stretch really worked against the team's health. This team isn't as bad as the record suggests. No one has blown them out. Can Shafer keep this team playing hard?

Yes, Clemson Fans those were legit injuries on the field you were booing last weekend. You even booed when our own offensive guy went down. Friggin chuckleheads.

(11-02-2014 11:25 AM)irish red homebrew Wrote:  

(11-02-2014 09:05 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  We're Done. Key Factors Yesterday: NCSt Staff out coaching Cuse's Staff, NC St playing turnover free ball along and Cuse having too many injuries. The last item was most important. I was afraid of this. This has been the worst season in recent memory for injuries. I see us finishing out 4-8 now. I thought we would be 6 to 8 win team.

A few season long factors I saw: Eight straight games in the schedule without a break, 3 teams coming off the bye against us and playing the best teams teams early in that stretch really worked against the team's health. This team isn't as bad as the record suggests. No one has blown them out. Can Shafer keep this team playing hard?

Yes, Clemson Fans those were legit injuries on the field you were booing last weekend. You even booed when our own offensive guy went down. Friggin chuckleheads.

Nice...I take it you were one of the chuckleheads?

We need to bring in an OC who can manage an offense and a DC who can recruit and work well with HCSS.

Dude, half of us stuck a fork in 'Cuse after that failed drive where y'all had the ball first and goal at the 2 against Louisville.

(11-02-2014 01:57 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  We need to bring in an OC who can manage an offense and a DC who can recruit and work well with HCSS.

dc is going no where with how well the defense has played the last few games

The fork was stuck in Syracuse back in February. And the February before that. And the one before that. So on, so forth.

It wouldn't matter if you had all your first team players, when your recruiting rankings are in the bottom half of the conference for an entire cycle then you are more likely than not going to finish in the same place in the real standings. Well, unless you hire a coaching genius like Duke or you are willing to do like Wake did early on in the Grobe era and absorb a few losing seasons to redshirt your young talent instead of throwing them to the wolves.

For all the talk from you Syracuse fans about how great your staff is at recruiting the results don't show it. On 24/7 they have placed the Big East refugees in the ACC recruiting standings going at least as far back as 2010 (I didn't look further since a 2010 recruit would be a RS SR this year) and the highest Syracuse placed in the rankings is 10th.

2010 - 13th
2011 - 10th
2012 - 11th
2013 - 12th
2014 - 11th

In this recruiting cycle you have averaged an 11th place finish in recruiting rankings. No surprise you are likely the second worst team in the conference this year as it has been obvious this past season and a half there aren't any coaching geniuses on your staff.

Sad thing is it doesn't look to be getting better any time soon as you currently sit with the 13th ranked class with 21 commits. With the lowest player score average in the conference it's entirely plausible that NC State, who currently has seven fewer recruits but a 2 pt higher player average, will pass you in short order.

(11-02-2014 06:45 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  The fork was stuck in Syracuse back in February. And the February before that. And the one before that. So on, so forth.

It wouldn't matter if you had all your first team players, when your recruiting rankings are in the bottom half of the conference for an entire cycle then you are more likely than not going to finish in the same place in the real standings. Well, unless you hire a coaching genius like Duke or you are willing to do like Wake did early on in the Grobe era and absorb a few losing seasons to redshirt your young talent instead of throwing them to the wolves.

For all the talk from you Syracuse fans about how great your staff is at recruiting the results don't show it. On 24/7 they have placed the Big East refugees in the ACC recruiting standings going at least as far back as 2010 (I didn't look further since a 2010 recruit would be a RS SR this year) and the highest Syracuse placed in the rankings is 10th.

2010 - 13th
2011 - 10th
2012 - 11th
2013 - 12th
2014 - 11th

In this recruiting cycle you have averaged an 11th place finish in recruiting rankings. No surprise you are likely the second worst team in the conference this year as it has been obvious this past season and a half there aren't any coaching geniuses on your staff.

Sad thing is it doesn't look to be getting better any time soon as you currently sit with the 13th ranked class with 21 commits. With the lowest player score average in the conference it's entirely plausible that NC State, who currently has seven fewer recruits but a 2 pt higher player average, will pass you in short order.

its improving before this year and last we were in the 70's in rankings now were in low 50's but still have a ways to go to get to elite level. We were getting mostly 2 stars players until the last 2 classes which are mostly 3 stars. We will have 25-28 players in this class when its all said and done counting 2 or 3 that were supposed to arrive in august that are coming in january

(11-02-2014 06:45 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  The fork was stuck in Syracuse back in February. And the February before that. And the one before that. So on, so forth.

It wouldn't matter if you had all your first team players, when your recruiting rankings are in the bottom half of the conference for an entire cycle then you are more likely than not going to finish in the same place in the real standings. Well, unless you hire a coaching genius like Duke or you are willing to do like Wake did early on in the Grobe era and absorb a few losing seasons to redshirt your young talent instead of throwing them to the wolves.

For all the talk from you Syracuse fans about how great your staff is at recruiting the results don't show it. On 24/7 they have placed the Big East refugees in the ACC recruiting standings going at least as far back as 2010 (I didn't look further since a 2010 recruit would be a RS SR this year) and the highest Syracuse placed in the rankings is 10th.

2010 - 13th
2011 - 10th
2012 - 11th
2013 - 12th
2014 - 11th

In this recruiting cycle you have averaged an 11th place finish in recruiting rankings. No surprise you are likely the second worst team in the conference this year as it has been obvious this past season and a half there aren't any coaching geniuses on your staff.

Sad thing is it doesn't look to be getting better any time soon as you currently sit with the 13th ranked class with 21 commits. With the lowest player score average in the conference it's entirely plausible that NC State, who currently has seven fewer recruits but a 2 pt higher player average, will pass you in short order.

Going by those rankings, Syracuse had no business finishing third in the Atlantic last year and sixth or seventh overall in the Acc.

"For all the talk from you Syracuse fans about how great your staff is at recruiting the results don't show it."

Nobody ever accused HCDM of being a smooth recruiter. Compared to HCDM, HCSS was a smooth recruiter until the wheels fell off on the team this year.

If he can hire the right assistants, he may be able to right the ship. It will be interesting to watch.

(11-02-2014 10:24 AM)Chris02M Wrote:  

(11-02-2014 09:32 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  You can stick a fork in this entire coaching staff as well. Awful top to bottom and I am tired of the excuses for HCSS. The university needs to take some of that ACC money and channel in into the football program and hire a real HC and a real staff.

We are at a tipping point with the program and if it falls back to GRob like years it nor the fans will ever be back.

good programs don't change coaches off 1 bad year where schedule and amount of injuries has killed us. Shafer should get another year. We are no where near Grob level as bad and frustrating as a year this has been as a season ticket holder. Could we use a better offensive coordinator/staff probably. Defensive staff has done a good job this year. Its the players we need better ones as we are no longer in the JV

We are not a good program anymore.

We hired under the gun. I get it. That doesn't make it any less of a bad hire. HCSS shows no growth in his coaching this season from last.

He is not the guy we need. We are simply prolonging the inevitable.

(11-02-2014 04:49 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  

(11-02-2014 01:57 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  We need to bring in an OC who can manage an offense and a DC who can recruit and work well with HCSS.

dc is going no where with how well the defense has played the last few games

Was that the DC or HCSS?

(11-02-2014 08:13 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(11-02-2014 04:49 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  

(11-02-2014 01:57 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  We need to bring in an OC who can manage an offense and a DC who can recruit and work well with HCSS.

dc is going no where with how well the defense has played the last few games

Was that the DC or HCSS?

unless you know something I don't Scott is not working on the defense

(11-02-2014 08:10 PM)WNCOrange Wrote:  

(11-02-2014 10:24 AM)Chris02M Wrote:  

(11-02-2014 09:32 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  You can stick a fork in this entire coaching staff as well. Awful top to bottom and I am tired of the excuses for HCSS. The university needs to take some of that ACC money and channel in into the football program and hire a real HC and a real staff.

We are at a tipping point with the program and if it falls back to GRob like years it nor the fans will ever be back.

good programs don't change coaches off 1 bad year where schedule and amount of injuries has killed us. Shafer should get another year. We are no where near Grob level as bad and frustrating as a year this has been as a season ticket holder. Could we use a better offensive coordinator/staff probably. Defensive staff has done a good job this year. Its the players we need better ones as we are no longer in the JV

We are not a good program anymore.

We hired under the gun. I get it. That doesn't make it any less of a bad hire. HCSS shows no growth in his coaching this season from last.

He is not the guy we need. We are simply prolonging the inevitable.

I actually think scott has gotten better as head coach even though I wish he was less conservative with 4th in manageable at opposition 40. Schedule was more difficult this year

(11-02-2014 10:38 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  

(11-02-2014 08:13 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(11-02-2014 04:49 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  

(11-02-2014 01:57 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  We need to bring in an OC who can manage an offense and a DC who can recruit and work well with HCSS.

dc is going no where with how well the defense has played the last few games

Was that the DC or HCSS?

unless you know something I don't Scott is not working on the defense

There has been too much variation over the last 2 years for only one person to have been performing DC duties. There are days where we look like we have a really well thought-out plan reminiscent of HCDM days, and there are days where we look absolutely lost. If it was the same guy doing it every week, I think that there would be more stability. IMHO, after some of the blowouts last year, HCSS probably took a stronger role.

My guess is that our current DC is a glorified warm body. I don't know for sure, but I would be amazed if he has much value add.