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RE: Christian Zealot beheads suspected witch in Oklahoma
(11-02-2014 12:05 AM)ODUChm Wrote:  
(11-01-2014 05:02 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  
(10-31-2014 11:16 PM)I45owl Wrote:  
(10-31-2014 07:57 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  For every one alleged witch murdered by a Christian, there are 1+ million innocent people murdered by radical Muslims.

We shouldn't just throw our hands up and say, "All religious people are wacko".

Neither should we discount that possibility. 05-stirthepot

What distinguishes the two cases is that neither dogma nor custom suggests the idea of beheading people in one case, but it does in the other. And that's what makes this an outlier (that, and the meth).

10% of Islam supports Jihad (killing of "non-believers", a very broad term).

Not even 0.0001% of all Christians believe in violence to non-Christians.

All religions are not equally good or bad. They don't all have the same values.

According to history, they are.
If the Old Testament was viewed as historical literature (which it isnt), then Jews supported the slaughter of their enemies, regardless of their sex or age, and God did as well.

Christians most certainly supported the killing of all Muslims during the crusades, as well the brutal treatment of indigenous people in the new world because they werent Christians.

And Im sure many of the eastern religions have their ugly pasts as well.

Religion isnt good or bad. People are either good or bad. Good people are going to use their religion to do good things, and bad people are going to use their religion to do bad things.

So 10% of Islam supports the murder of non-believers, and maybe .0000000001% of Christians believe that, but there is absolutely no difference between the religions?

Ok, we'll just call you Ben Affleck.
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Was she a witch?

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(11-02-2014 12:11 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  Muslim beheads non-Muslim: religion of war/hate/death/murder
Christian beheads: "They weren't REALLY a Christian"

LAUGHABLE. Smh at anyone that uses this ever.

Obviously, you don't know the difference between genuine Christianity and cultural christianity.
Real Christianity is about a personal faith and personal relationship with Jesus Christ. It's not about religion. It's not about denomination.
Jesus said "Love God. Love people." He said "Love your enemies. Bless them that curse you. Do good to those that hate you." He never commanded His followers to get high on meth and cut off people's heads. I've read the Bible. That's not in there.

But you go on, laughing.
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RE: Christian Zealot beheads suspected witch in Oklahoma
(11-02-2014 12:19 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  
(11-01-2014 05:02 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  10% of Islam supports Jihad (killing of "non-believers", a very broad term).

Not even 0.0001% of all Christians believe in violence to non-Christians.

So 10% of Islam supports the murder of non-believers, and maybe .0000000001% of Christians believe that, but there is absolutely no difference between the religions?

Ok, we'll just call you Ben Affleck.

That's the second time these seemingly arbitrary numbers have been used in this thread. Sources please.
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(11-02-2014 01:07 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Was she a witch?

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Anyone see the 60 minutes piece last night on the nutty muslim in England?

Looks like a few lefties at CBS had their eyes opened a bit from it.
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(11-02-2014 01:07 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Was she a witch?

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She turned me into a newt.
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(11-02-2014 10:42 PM)jaaaasonl Wrote:  
(11-02-2014 12:11 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  Muslim beheads non-Muslim: religion of war/hate/death/murder
Christian beheads: "They weren't REALLY a Christian"

LAUGHABLE. Smh at anyone that uses this ever.

Obviously, you don't know the difference between genuine Christianity and cultural christianity.
Real Christianity is about a personal faith and personal relationship with Jesus Christ. It's not about religion. It's not about denomination.
Jesus said "Love God. Love people." He said "Love your enemies. Bless them that curse you. Do good to those that hate you." He never commanded His followers to get high on meth and cut off people's heads. I've read the Bible. That's not in there.

But you go on, laughing.

Im guessing all those bombs we have been dropping on our enemies are filled with hugs and kisses then?
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RE: Christian Zealot beheads suspected witch in Oklahoma
(11-03-2014 11:52 PM)ODUChm Wrote:  
(11-02-2014 10:42 PM)jaaaasonl Wrote:  
(11-02-2014 12:11 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  Muslim beheads non-Muslim: religion of war/hate/death/murder
Christian beheads: "They weren't REALLY a Christian"

LAUGHABLE. Smh at anyone that uses this ever.

Obviously, you don't know the difference between genuine Christianity and cultural christianity.
Real Christianity is about a personal faith and personal relationship with Jesus Christ. It's not about religion. It's not about denomination.
Jesus said "Love God. Love people." He said "Love your enemies. Bless them that curse you. Do good to those that hate you." He never commanded His followers to get high on meth and cut off people's heads. I've read the Bible. That's not in there.

But you go on, laughing.

Im guessing all those bombs we have been dropping on our enemies are filled with hugs and kisses then?

So, you're one of those fundamentalists that believe our foreign policy should be guided by individual Christian principles?
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RE: Christian Zealot beheads suspected witch in Oklahoma
(11-03-2014 11:56 PM)G-Man Wrote:  
(11-03-2014 11:52 PM)ODUChm Wrote:  
(11-02-2014 10:42 PM)jaaaasonl Wrote:  
(11-02-2014 12:11 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  Muslim beheads non-Muslim: religion of war/hate/death/murder
Christian beheads: "They weren't REALLY a Christian"

LAUGHABLE. Smh at anyone that uses this ever.

Obviously, you don't know the difference between genuine Christianity and cultural christianity.
Real Christianity is about a personal faith and personal relationship with Jesus Christ. It's not about religion. It's not about denomination.
Jesus said "Love God. Love people." He said "Love your enemies. Bless them that curse you. Do good to those that hate you." He never commanded His followers to get high on meth and cut off people's heads. I've read the Bible. That's not in there.

But you go on, laughing.

Im guessing all those bombs we have been dropping on our enemies are filled with hugs and kisses then?

So, you're one of those fundamentalists that believe our foreign policy should be guided by individual Christian principles?

Shouldnt a true Christian put God and His word first over something as flawed as nationalism?
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RE: Christian Zealot beheads suspected witch in Oklahoma
(11-03-2014 11:52 PM)ODUChm Wrote:  
(11-02-2014 10:42 PM)jaaaasonl Wrote:  
(11-02-2014 12:11 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  Muslim beheads non-Muslim: religion of war/hate/death/murder
Christian beheads: "They weren't REALLY a Christian"

LAUGHABLE. Smh at anyone that uses this ever.

Obviously, you don't know the difference between genuine Christianity and cultural christianity.
Real Christianity is about a personal faith and personal relationship with Jesus Christ. It's not about religion. It's not about denomination.
Jesus said "Love God. Love people." He said "Love your enemies. Bless them that curse you. Do good to those that hate you." He never commanded His followers to get high on meth and cut off people's heads. I've read the Bible. That's not in there.

But you go on, laughing.

Im guessing all those bombs we have been dropping on our enemies are filled with hugs and kisses then?

Nope.
"We" aren't a Christian nation (no such thing, IMO). It's ridiculous to try to claim we are. I've certainly never contended that we are, or ever have been. There was a time, perhaps, when the majority of Americans may have been believers...but even that is a stretch (IMO). Again, authentic Christianity is not collective. It is about an individual's faith and individual's relationship with Jesus. There is no collective salvation for the US.
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RE: Christian Zealot beheads suspected witch in Oklahoma
(11-04-2014 12:31 AM)jaaaasonl Wrote:  
(11-03-2014 11:52 PM)ODUChm Wrote:  
(11-02-2014 10:42 PM)jaaaasonl Wrote:  
(11-02-2014 12:11 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  Muslim beheads non-Muslim: religion of war/hate/death/murder
Christian beheads: "They weren't REALLY a Christian"

LAUGHABLE. Smh at anyone that uses this ever.

Obviously, you don't know the difference between genuine Christianity and cultural christianity.
Real Christianity is about a personal faith and personal relationship with Jesus Christ. It's not about religion. It's not about denomination.
Jesus said "Love God. Love people." He said "Love your enemies. Bless them that curse you. Do good to those that hate you." He never commanded His followers to get high on meth and cut off people's heads. I've read the Bible. That's not in there.

But you go on, laughing.

Im guessing all those bombs we have been dropping on our enemies are filled with hugs and kisses then?

Nope.
"We" aren't a Christian nation (no such thing, IMO). It's ridiculous to try to claim we are. I've certainly never contended that we are, or ever have been. There was a time, perhaps, when the majority of Americans may have been believers...but even that is a stretch (IMO). Again, authentic Christianity is not collective. It is about an individual's faith and individual's relationship with Jesus. There is no collective salvation for the US.

Then why do politicians continue to sell themselves to the Christian right, claiming to being good Christian men/women?
And why is the Christian right more concerned with preventing gays from marrying then they are in promoting their Lord and Saviors pacifist message?

This remind me a lot of a cop out from a time in Bible study were this obvious hardline kid when asked about the death penalty told us while he was personally opposed to the death penalty, he politically supported it since the whole separation of state and religion, thus couldnt allow his religious beliefs shape his political beliefs . But whats the point of being a Christian if your not going to apply it to all facets of your life including being a politician who has to vote yes or no on war. Its like being a vegetarian between meals.
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(11-04-2014 12:46 AM)ODUChm Wrote:  
(11-04-2014 12:31 AM)jaaaasonl Wrote:  
(11-03-2014 11:52 PM)ODUChm Wrote:  
(11-02-2014 10:42 PM)jaaaasonl Wrote:  
(11-02-2014 12:11 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  Muslim beheads non-Muslim: religion of war/hate/death/murder
Christian beheads: "They weren't REALLY a Christian"

LAUGHABLE. Smh at anyone that uses this ever.

Obviously, you don't know the difference between genuine Christianity and cultural christianity.
Real Christianity is about a personal faith and personal relationship with Jesus Christ. It's not about religion. It's not about denomination.
Jesus said "Love God. Love people." He said "Love your enemies. Bless them that curse you. Do good to those that hate you." He never commanded His followers to get high on meth and cut off people's heads. I've read the Bible. That's not in there.

But you go on, laughing.

Im guessing all those bombs we have been dropping on our enemies are filled with hugs and kisses then?

Nope.
"We" aren't a Christian nation (no such thing, IMO). It's ridiculous to try to claim we are. I've certainly never contended that we are, or ever have been. There was a time, perhaps, when the majority of Americans may have been believers...but even that is a stretch (IMO). Again, authentic Christianity is not collective. It is about an individual's faith and individual's relationship with Jesus. There is no collective salvation for the US.

Then why do politicians continue to sell themselves to the Christian right, claiming to being good Christian men/women?
And why is the Christian right more concerned with preventing gays from marrying then they are in promoting their Lord and Saviors pacifist message?

This remind me a lot of a cop out from a time in Bible study were this obvious hardline kid when asked about the death penalty told us while he was personally opposed to the death penalty, he politically supported it since the whole separation of state and religion, thus couldnt allow his religious beliefs shape his political beliefs . But whats the point of being a Christian if your not going to apply it to all facets of your life including being a politician who has to vote yes or no on war. Its like being a vegetarian between meals.

Oh, come now.

You're saying as a Christian I should try to force my beliefs on non-Christians?

That's not how Christianity works. Sure, there was a time when one Church dominated Christian propagation by attempting to do that (centuries ago). But no such attempts exist today, because people who are Christians today can actually read the New Testament and see for themselves this type of behavior isn't a part of their faith.

Its amusing how so many of you anti-Christians try to tell Christians they aren't good Christians unless they try to force their beliefs on others, and then you complain about Christians trying to force their beliefs on others, or show they "hypocrisy" of out government not acting in a Christian way, like when it comes to how our non Christian government tells the military how to fight in wars?
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(11-04-2014 12:46 AM)ODUChm Wrote:  
(11-04-2014 12:31 AM)jaaaasonl Wrote:  
(11-03-2014 11:52 PM)ODUChm Wrote:  
(11-02-2014 10:42 PM)jaaaasonl Wrote:  
(11-02-2014 12:11 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  Muslim beheads non-Muslim: religion of war/hate/death/murder
Christian beheads: "They weren't REALLY a Christian"

LAUGHABLE. Smh at anyone that uses this ever.

Obviously, you don't know the difference between genuine Christianity and cultural christianity.
Real Christianity is about a personal faith and personal relationship with Jesus Christ. It's not about religion. It's not about denomination.
Jesus said "Love God. Love people." He said "Love your enemies. Bless them that curse you. Do good to those that hate you." He never commanded His followers to get high on meth and cut off people's heads. I've read the Bible. That's not in there.

But you go on, laughing.

Im guessing all those bombs we have been dropping on our enemies are filled with hugs and kisses then?

Nope.
"We" aren't a Christian nation (no such thing, IMO). It's ridiculous to try to claim we are. I've certainly never contended that we are, or ever have been. There was a time, perhaps, when the majority of Americans may have been believers...but even that is a stretch (IMO). Again, authentic Christianity is not collective. It is about an individual's faith and individual's relationship with Jesus. There is no collective salvation for the US.

Then why do politicians continue to sell themselves to the Christian right, claiming to being good Christian men/women?
And why is the Christian right more concerned with preventing gays from marrying then they are in promoting their Lord and Saviors pacifist message?

This remind me a lot of a cop out from a time in Bible study were this obvious hardline kid when asked about the death penalty told us while he was personally opposed to the death penalty, he politically supported it since the whole separation of state and religion, thus couldnt allow his religious beliefs shape his political beliefs . But whats the point of being a Christian if your not going to apply it to all facets of your life including being a politician who has to vote yes or no on war. Its like being a vegetarian between meals.

Politicians are a different breed, but I cannot speak to the motives of the individual. Morality plays into the equation (abortion, gay marriage, etc.) in the mind of the voter and the candidate. I believe people have EVERY RIGHT to choose sin, but I don't think those things should be sanctioned by the government. If a man wants to have sex with other men, that is their business. Equating that to traditional marriage under the law...I'm not ok with that. If a woman wants to abort (murder) her child, she has that choice, based on the law...but I don't believe my tax dollars should fund it. I'm neither having sex with men, nor am I having abortions...so those things are not affecting me directly...but I believe they're having a negative affect on society.

And...as to Jesus having a pacifist message...we'll have to agree to disagree. While Jesus never advocated a "march on Rome" nor a "boycott" of Pilate, He was hardly passive. He tied cords together, made a whip, and cleared out the Temple of the money-changers. Jesus taught individual responsibility, individual freedom, individual morality, and individual salvation. Jesus also taught a singularity of Himself ("I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father but through Me.") to the exclusion of ALL others. When Jesus comes back (and I absolutely believe He's coming back), it will not be as a pacifist.

IMO, if enough people are following Jesus' teachings...loving God, loving their neighbor, and sharing the Gospel/making disciples...then ultimately the culture will change and become more godly. I hold the "church" responsible for where we are now. The church stopped being the church. For example, 100 years ago, there was far less of a nanny state because the churches were taking care of the poor (as we're instructed to do). Now, the gov't does that. There are other examples.

I believe in Free Will...that everyone has a God-given right to obey Him, or to ignore Him. It's not my place to "force" my convictions on anyone else. It is my responsibility to share with others what my convictions are, the basis for those convictions, and why I hold them. In that way, I suppose I am somewhat a pacifist. I do not, however, believe I should stay silent in the face of moral decay. I have to tell what I believe to be Truth...not in an attempt to force anyone to do anything, but because it's what I'm called to do (make disciples). Christians should help to frame culture, but not to dominate it.

As to the issue of war...I believe that there are times when it is justified. We can debate the merits of recent wars...but I'm not sure one can legitimately argue that we were incorrect in joining WW1 or WW2. Stopping madmen from killing the masses seems the right thing to do, to me.

One other thing, I believe more people will be in hell than heaven, when it's all said and done. I base this on a number of things, but the simplest to point to is Matthew 7:13-14. (Paraphrased...the way to destruction is wide, and many will find destruction. the way to life is narrow, and few will find life.) This doesn't give me a fatalistic view of humanity, but rather one of compassion. I want people to have the assurance that I have, and I believe a person can "know" where they stand in light of eternity. (1 John 5:12-13 - The person who has the Son has life. The person who doesn't have the Son, does not have life. I’ve written this to those who believe in the Son of God so that they will know that they have eternal life.").

It's all about choices, and our freedom to make them...rightly or wrongly.
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(11-04-2014 09:47 AM)jaaaasonl Wrote:  And...as to Jesus having a pacifist message...we'll have to agree to disagree. While Jesus never advocated a "march on Rome" nor a "boycott" of Pilate, He was hardly passive. He tied cords together, made a whip, and cleared out the Temple of the money-changers. Jesus taught individual responsibility, individual freedom, individual morality, and individual salvation. Jesus also taught a singularity of Himself ("I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father but through Me.") to the exclusion of ALL others. When Jesus comes back (and I absolutely believe He's coming back), it will not be as a pacifist.

If it boils down to agree to disagree, then youll have to agree to disagree with all biblical scholars who view that one of the central themes of Christianity was its pacifist message that is derived from Jesus' sermon on the mount.

How anyone can interpret any of what he said as nonpaficist has been always been baffling to me.

Put your sword back in its place...for all who draw the sword will die by the sword. (Matt. 26:52)
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. (Matt. 5:9)

And Im assuming your last sentence is in reference to the raputre-like Jesus many evangelicals salivate over. Again theologians view that perception of Jesus as bad theology.
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(10-31-2014 12:57 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  A deeply Christian college student in Oklahoma allegedly nearly decapitated the son of a state trooper with a sword because the victim practiced witchcraft, police say.

Isaiah Marin of Stillwater was charged Thursday with first-degree murder in the attack that killed 19-year-old Jacob Andrew Crockett a day earlier.

The two had been playing cards with a third pal, Marin's brother, when Marin removed the 'large black sword' from its sheath and began swinging it around, court records obtained by MailOnline show.


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Well that was a major troll fail. Good try though.
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(11-02-2014 12:11 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  Muslim beheads non-Muslim: religion of war/hate/death/murder
Christian beheads: "They weren't REALLY a Christian"

LAUGHABLE. Smh at anyone that uses this ever.

Real Christians don't kill people.

Real Muslims kill people for being Christians.


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(11-04-2014 11:59 AM)ODUChm Wrote:  
(11-04-2014 09:47 AM)jaaaasonl Wrote:  And...as to Jesus having a pacifist message...we'll have to agree to disagree. While Jesus never advocated a "march on Rome" nor a "boycott" of Pilate, He was hardly passive. He tied cords together, made a whip, and cleared out the Temple of the money-changers. Jesus taught individual responsibility, individual freedom, individual morality, and individual salvation. Jesus also taught a singularity of Himself ("I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father but through Me.") to the exclusion of ALL others. When Jesus comes back (and I absolutely believe He's coming back), it will not be as a pacifist.

If it boils down to agree to disagree, then youll have to agree to disagree with all biblical scholars who view that one of the central themes of Christianity was its pacifist message that is derived from Jesus' sermon on the mount.

How anyone can interpret any of what he said as nonpaficist has been always been baffling to me.

Put your sword back in its place...for all who draw the sword will die by the sword. (Matt. 26:52)
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. (Matt. 5:9)

And Im assuming your last sentence is in reference to the raputre-like Jesus many evangelicals salivate over. Again theologians view that perception of Jesus as bad theology.

It won't be the first time I've disagreed with some "theologians" and it certainly won't be the last. There's a lot of room for interpretation in the Sermon on the Mount. I know Matthew 5, 6, & 7 well. I've been in ministry for over 23 years. I've done my share of study throughout my life. Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, Latin...I've done it all.

I knew the bolded part was coming. Let me ask you a question, then. It was to Peter that Jesus spoke in Matt 26. Peter, who had been with Jesus for over 3 years at that point. If Jesus had a "no weapons" policy, why in the world would Peter have been carrying a sword? The original language indicates a sword...not merely a fisherman's knife.

And don't assume you know what I'm talking about. The idea of the rapture is debated often, but that is NOT the 2nd coming of Jesus. The rapture is when "believers in Jesus are caught up" off the earth. There are many interpretations of the nuances of the "rapture." There's plenty of room for debate here.

There's less debate about the 2nd coming. John 14:3, Jesus says He's coming again. Luke 21:27, Jesus says everyone will see His return. Revelation 1:7 says the same thing. Acts 1:11 says "They asked, “Why are you men from Galilee standing here looking at the sky? Jesus, who was taken from you to heaven, will come back in the same way that you saw him go to heaven.”" Old Testament prophet Zechariah, in chapter 14 tells about the 2nd coming & says "On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, just east of Jerusalem. The Mount of Olives will be split in two, forming a very large valley from east to west. Half of the mountain will move toward the north, and the other half will move toward the south." Jesus ascended from the Mt of Olives & will return there.
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(11-04-2014 02:51 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  
(11-02-2014 12:11 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  Muslim beheads non-Muslim: religion of war/hate/death/murder
Christian beheads: "They weren't REALLY a Christian"

LAUGHABLE. Smh at anyone that uses this ever.

Real Christians don't kill people.

Real Muslims kill people for being Christians.


Don't worry, you have nothing to fear in your time here on Earth.

So then we have about 1.5 BILLION fake Muslims?


Your delusions are growing stronger
11-04-2014 08:33 PM
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(11-02-2014 11:02 AM)ODUChm Wrote:  
(11-02-2014 02:20 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(11-02-2014 12:05 AM)ODUChm Wrote:  According to history, they are.
If the Old Testament was viewed as historical literature (which it isnt), then Jews supported the slaughter of their enemies, regardless of their sex or age, and God did as well.

Christians most certainly supported the killing of all Muslims during the crusades, as well the brutal treatment of indigenous people in the new world because they werent Christians.

And Im sure many of the eastern religions have their ugly pasts as well.

Religion isnt good or bad. People are either good or bad. Good people are going to use their religion to do good things, and bad people are going to use their religion to do bad things.


You stumbled into the key point here.

Islam is still stuck in the 5th century. Its what separates them from all the other major religions in the world.

Yep, as of now the Islamic middle east (the geography being a key point) is not enjoying the best of times, but it wasnt that long ago that Christian Europe was a backwards cesspool filled with tyrants who claimed to be anointed by God, while the Islamic Middle East was a civilized society that made advancements in philosophy, literature, mathematics, science, medicine, etc.

This golden age of Islams decline had less to due with hard line religious fundamentalist, though they did show up like they do when any society begins to falter, and more to due with invasions by the mongols and crusaders with the mongol destroying Baghdad and the slaughtering of hundreds of thousands of people.

Life both on the small scale and grand scale is cyclical. Societies rise and fall, we by no other reason than luck happen to have been born in a Christian society that is on top, but if people think this will always be, then we really are doomed to that fall.

Why were the Crusades called?

Hint: hundreds of years of Muslim aggression.
11-05-2014 08:47 AM
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