(11-05-2014 12:48 PM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  

And it has nothing to do with Ga Southern or their merits. We have 12 and zero motivation to add anyone.

That is fine, Ga Southern doesn't want into the AAC. More travel expenses, similar overall competition minus maybe ECU and a hot team of the week. In the end we are all G5, the only actual "move up" in today's FBS is going P5. Everything else is just semantics, since competing for a consolation prize bowl game is being used to shut us all out of the championship.

And yes Ga Southern would likely have a similar record in CUSA, or the AAC right now.

(11-05-2014 05:58 PM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  

(11-05-2014 12:48 PM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  

And it has nothing to do with Ga Southern or their merits. We have 12 and zero motivation to add anyone.

That is fine, Ga Southern doesn't want into the AAC. More travel expenses, similar overall competition minus maybe ECU and a hot team of the week. In the end we are all G5, the only actual "move up" in today's FBS is going P5. Everything else is just semantics, since competing for a consolation prize bowl game is being used to shut us all out of the championship.

And yes Ga Southern would likely have a similar record in CUSA, or the AAC right now.

App State and Ga Southern. Like em both

Ga Southern is a solid little program. Doesn't fit the AAC mold, but a good program nonetheless.

Georgia Southern is on of those programs that should have been allowed to move up not programs like Georgia State or Charlotte.

http://www.ncaa.com/power-rankings

This is based purely on statistics and not strength of schedule, but pretty cool to see us up there with the big boys. ECU is represented at #10.

(11-02-2014 10:07 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(10-30-2014 10:11 PM)airbornepirate Wrote:  

(10-30-2014 10:09 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  It would be nice to add a school worth a **** academically.

Is this a shot at GA Southern or other schools that were recently admitted? If it at GA Southern I can understand. My cousin played baseball there and he is not the brightest tool in the coat closet.

Top 20 in Engineering, Nursing, Business, and Education, but please continue on about how you think your cousin is dumb. It really is amusing.

There is absolutely zero metric in which GSU is a top 20 engineering or business school.

(11-05-2014 06:22 PM)tnzazz Wrote:  Ga Southern is a solid little program. Doesn't fit the AAC mold, but a good program nonetheless.

How do they not fit? Let's look at the AAC teams:
1) they are at least the 3rd or 4th most popular school in their state, check!
2) they play near Atlanta, and can deliver viewers, just like the AAC teams, check!
3) they have a crappy TV contract, check!
4) nobody knows who their opponents are, check?
5) they conference has no traditional geographic rivals, check?
6) if they go undefeated they still have no chance at playing for a National Championship, check!

Seems like they check all the boxes, great fit. Welcome aboard!

7 pages on a team that doesn't have to play either of the other top programs in the Sun Belt This year.

They've got a hell of a team, but I want to see how they handle Texas State in San Marcos before I'm ready to crown them kings of the league for this year.

(11-05-2014 10:28 AM)Hank Rearden Wrote:  

(10-31-2014 11:49 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(10-31-2014 09:51 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  Aren't they loaded with NQ's

Yep, their Marshall Jr. ANYONE can win with NQ's.

Were you a non-qualifier?

Good one!

(11-06-2014 12:15 AM)UHRedcat96 Wrote:  

(11-05-2014 06:22 PM)tnzazz Wrote:  Ga Southern is a solid little program. Doesn't fit the AAC mold, but a good program nonetheless.

How do they not fit? Let's look at the AAC teams:
1) they are at least the 3rd or 4th most popular school in their state, check!
2) they play near Atlanta, and can deliver viewers, just like the AAC teams, check!
3) they have a crappy TV contract, check!
4) nobody knows who their opponents are, check?
5) they conference has no traditional geographic rivals, check?
6) if they go undefeated they still have no chance at playing for a National Championship, check!

Seems like they check all the boxes, great fit. Welcome aboard!

How many times do you have to hear these words: We are not lobbying to get into the AAC! We can strongly compete in the SunBelt as in any other conference. We happen to like the current makeup of the SunBelt and feel the SunBelt will be a very good G5 conference quite soon. You can end this discussion now.

(11-05-2014 08:33 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Georgia Southern is on of those programs that should have been allowed to move up not programs like Georgia State or Charlotte.

Exactly, you used to have to "pay your dues" and build programs before moving up to new levels of competition. Now it seems like teams just pop up and get the call because of a media market. News flash, good football and established fan bases sell not some urban start up with absolutely none of these things. Charlotte will be Ga State once they make the move up, they can't even win or draw large amounts of support on the FCS level right now.

As stated before Ga Southern is happy where they are right now, I haven't heard anything contrary to that from any of their sane fans.

(11-06-2014 08:29 AM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  

(11-05-2014 08:33 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Georgia Southern is on of those programs that should have been allowed to move up not programs like Georgia State or Charlotte.

Exactly, you used to have to "pay your dues" and build programs before moving up to new levels of competition. Now it seems like teams just pop up and get the call because of a media market. News flash, good football and established fan bases sell not some urban start up with absolutely none of these things. Charlotte will be Ga State once they make the move up, they can't even win or draw large amounts of support on the FCS level right now.

As stated before Ga Southern is happy where they are right now, I haven't heard anything contrary to that from any of their sane fans.

Sorry but which week did that fantasy occur?

(11-06-2014 08:31 AM)panama Wrote:  

(11-06-2014 08:29 AM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  

(11-05-2014 08:33 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Georgia Southern is on of those programs that should have been allowed to move up not programs like Georgia State or Charlotte.

Exactly, you used to have to "pay your dues" and build programs before moving up to new levels of competition. Now it seems like teams just pop up and get the call because of a media market. News flash, good football and established fan bases sell not some urban start up with absolutely none of these things. Charlotte will be Ga State once they make the move up, they can't even win or draw large amounts of support on the FCS level right now.

As stated before Ga Southern is happy where they are right now, I haven't heard anything contrary to that from any of their sane fans.

Sorry but which week did that fantasy occur?

All the weeks before the mega TV contracts started corrupting college football.

(11-06-2014 08:36 AM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  

(11-06-2014 08:31 AM)panama Wrote:  

(11-06-2014 08:29 AM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  

(11-05-2014 08:33 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Georgia Southern is on of those programs that should have been allowed to move up not programs like Georgia State or Charlotte.

Exactly, you used to have to "pay your dues" and build programs before moving up to new levels of competition. Now it seems like teams just pop up and get the call because of a media market. News flash, good football and established fan bases sell not some urban start up with absolutely none of these things. Charlotte will be Ga State once they make the move up, they can't even win or draw large amounts of support on the FCS level right now.

As stated before Ga Southern is happy where they are right now, I haven't heard anything contrary to that from any of their sane fans.

Sorry but which week did that fantasy occur?

All the weeks before the mega TV contracts started corrupting college football.

Was that in the 1940's or something because "building a program" and "paying your dues" whatever that means has never been a requirement for moving up.

(11-05-2014 05:58 PM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  

(11-05-2014 12:48 PM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  

And it has nothing to do with Ga Southern or their merits. We have 12 and zero motivation to add anyone.

That is fine, Ga Southern doesn't want into the AAC. More travel expenses, similar overall competition minus maybe ECU and a hot team of the week. In the end we are all G5, the only actual "move up" in today's FBS is going P5. Everything else is just semantics, since competing for a consolation prize bowl game is being used to shut us all out of the championship.

And yes Ga Southern would likely have a similar record in CUSA, or the AAC right now.

I hope you did not take that as a slight to GSU. It wasn't. It would be nice if we had a system where conferences and programs could grow and prosper without the need to be affiliated with a certain group of conferences.

FBS is bloated with too many teams and not enough of them carrying their weight to warrant membership. The requirements to move into FBS need an overhaul. The 15k actual or paid attendance must be reviewed. It needs to be actual for admittance, not paid. I could live with paid being accepted once a school was already in FBS. If I sell 5 dollar tickets I can get a rich donor or two to cover that easily.

I'm not picking on Charlotte, but their stadium holds 15k. That is minimum required capacity. So they need to average a sell out for two years to meet that requirement. They will, but they are also an upstart program, starting a football program and skipping up the ladder into FBS. Excitement alone will sell the stadium out for 2-4 years at 15k.... What happens if they win 5 games in 3 years? Its a hypothetical 49ers, dont get bent. App State on the other hand has built a core fanbase greater than 15k that will be there weekend after weekend regardless. This type of measure must be taken into consideration. A program should be required to be in existence for a certain amount of time. Say 5 or 10 years. Maybe add a winning percentage requirement. Its too easy to move into the FBS and it waters down the product. If this is the highest level of competition it should be reflected in the entrance requirements and its members...

(11-06-2014 09:26 AM)panama Wrote:  

(11-06-2014 08:36 AM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  

(11-06-2014 08:31 AM)panama Wrote:  

(11-06-2014 08:29 AM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  

(11-05-2014 08:33 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Georgia Southern is on of those programs that should have been allowed to move up not programs like Georgia State or Charlotte.

Exactly, you used to have to "pay your dues" and build programs before moving up to new levels of competition. Now it seems like teams just pop up and get the call because of a media market. News flash, good football and established fan bases sell not some urban start up with absolutely none of these things. Charlotte will be Ga State once they make the move up, they can't even win or draw large amounts of support on the FCS level right now.

As stated before Ga Southern is happy where they are right now, I haven't heard anything contrary to that from any of their sane fans.

Sorry but which week did that fantasy occur?

All the weeks before the mega TV contracts started corrupting college football.

Was that in the 1940's or something because "building a program" and "paying your dues" whatever that means has never been a requirement for moving up.

I never said it was a requirement, as of now the only requirement is a FBS conference invite. I was only bringing up the point that conferences used to care what the product on the field looked like, but the dynamics have shifted to where the school is located. Never mind if they can draw anyone to their games, their history of winning, playoff appearances, athletic tradition, etc. You used to have to build a brand, now you just pop up and stake a geographic claim (even if you don't have any chance of owning it).

We have had this convo before, this shouldn't be anything new to you.

Other than Marshall, Georgia Southern and Appalachian State how many other move ups does that apply to? UAB, USF, FIU and FAU were in I-AA for 15 minutes. That's to say nothing of Charlotte, GSU, UTSA, USA and ODU. That is a majority of the the move ups of the last 20 plus years and FCS has only existed for 34 years.

(11-06-2014 08:00 PM)panama Wrote:  Other than Marshall, Georgia Southern and Appalachian State how many other move ups does that apply to? UAB, USF, FIU and FAU were in I-AA for 15 minutes. That's to say nothing of Charlotte, GSU, UTSA, USA and ODU. That is a majority of the the move ups of the last 20 plus years and FCS has only existed for 34 years.

Cough.....Cough

I'm confuse, but why is Georgia Southern even in the to the AAC invite discussion?!?

(11-06-2014 08:00 PM)panama Wrote:  Other than Marshall, Georgia Southern and Appalachian State how many other move ups does that apply to? UAB, USF, FIU and FAU were in I-AA for 15 minutes. That's to say nothing of Charlotte, GSU, UTSA, USA and ODU. That is a majority of the the move ups of the last 20 plus years and FCS has only existed for 34 years.

Boise State, WKU, Troy, UMass, amongst others........

UAB, USF, FIU and FAU were in I-AA for 15 minutes. My point exactly, what would be the common denominator with all those schools? Yep geography, only USF had any quick success out of all of them as well.