(10-30-2014 05:27 PM)dekalb222 Wrote:  Rauner winning will not be good for education. Giving tax breaks to wealthy people and cutting every thing else has never helped a economy or a school or a state or a country. It will make a few wealthier though!

+1 Rauner is bad for my job and health. And bad for all of these wonderful things that NIU now has planned.

If this goes through we will not be able to pay coaches enough to be competitive even in the MAC and you can forget the Master Plan that was released today

So we have the PLUS program, Chance Program lets start another program and just become an online college screw it. I mean why not that way we can get enrollment up get less state funding from Springfield because they "love the children" Those professors really care about a great education only 6 faculty senators voted against "dumbing down NIU" (a quote from a science prof in NS), 25 faculty senators want people who don't belong and don't care, and 2 people have no balls so they didn't vote. Also the Unions love the children more than you do and they are gonna give NIU the same money NIU got in 1995 because higher education is important and its for the children or give us 81 million because its the republicans fault/right wing conspiracy, not educational greed.

Lets have more people go to NIU for years and never graduate and have thousands in student loan debt. Society will be better off.

Rauner hates the children and wants them to be dumb and have no teacher. The man built 4 schools but he is evil because he has money and basically gives it all away. Rauner paid more in taxes as a percentage then Quinn did. Pat Quinn is high but is a great guy so lets put him in office so he can show up to a game waive to us in the stands and stick it in our ass.

Rauner instituted paying teachers with national accreditation money out of his own pocket and at the same time the teachers union wouldn't do that same but guess what they do now. Btw there is no tax break because the tax hasn't happened yet.

Quinn loves ACA and medicaid expansion which causes small school districts to have to pay higher out of pocket costs and higher deductibles but he loves the teachers and the children more than you will ever love the children.

God I love IL politics!

End Rant

Go Huskies and vote for the children.

If anything they have to raise the athletic fee.

Goonsquad, Rauner paid 19% on his taxes. Most people paid a higher %. I don't care about the guys wealth but I do know his policy of cut taxes and everything is bad for NIU and the state. If I made 25k a hour, I would not tell others they don't deserve a min wage increase of11-14 dollars a hour. That's just unreal!

(10-30-2014 06:15 PM)GOONSQUAD41 Wrote:  So we have the PLUS program, Chance Program lets start another program and just become an online college screw it. I mean why not that way we can get enrollment up get less state funding from Springfield because they "love the children" Those professors really care about a great education only 6 faculty senators voted against "dumbing down NIU" (a quote from a science prof in NS), 25 faculty senators want people who don't belong and don't care, and 2 people have no balls so they didn't vote. Also the Unions love the children more than you do and they are gonna give NIU the same money NIU got in 1995 because higher education is important and its for the children or give us 81 million because its the republicans fault/right wing conspiracy, not educational greed.

Lets have more people go to NIU for years and never graduate and have thousands in student loan debt. Society will be better off.

Rauner hates the children and wants them to be dumb and have no teacher. The man built 4 schools but he is evil because he has money and basically gives it all away. Rauner paid more in taxes as a percentage then Quinn did. Pat Quinn is high but is a great guy so lets put him in office so he can show up to a game waive to us in the stands and stick it in our ass.

Rauner instituted paying teachers with national accreditation money out of his own pocket and at the same time the teachers union wouldn't do that same but guess what they do now. Btw there is no tax break because the tax hasn't happened yet.

Quinn loves ACA and medicaid expansion which causes small school districts to have to pay higher out of pocket costs and higher deductibles but he loves the teachers and the children more than you will ever love the children.

God I love IL politics!

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Go Huskies and vote for the children.

you do make some good points GOONSQUAD... also Quinn has done ZERO to help the education in IL, its the worst in the country so not sure why anyone wants us to continue down the horrible road we've been on. Illinois politics is truly disgusting...so corrupt its not even funny, yet cook country just keeps voting these guys back in and its continues to get worse and worse and worse

Ha i need to stop myself as well before this thread goes off on a huge political tangent

(10-30-2014 07:02 PM)dekalb222 Wrote:  Goonsquad, Rauner paid 19% on his taxes. Most people paid a higher %. I don't care about the guys wealth but I do know his policy of cut taxes and everything is bad for NIU and the state. If I made 25k a hour, I would not tell others they don't deserve a min wage increase of11-14 dollars a hour. That's just unreal!

Small business owners cant afford to pay people that much more and keep their doors open so what does that mean? Less jobs, less small business opening and higher debt. Big business will just raise their prices for good or services to compensate for the additional wages and taxes paid with a higher minimum wage or just higher less people or ship more jobs overseas. I mean come on, this obviously is unrealistic.

Everything sounds good on paper, but any person that actually understands business and the economy knows this is impossible and unrealistic.

Also like GOONSQUAD mentioned, NIU is already getting much less from the state than they were 20 years ago so its already crap support from Quinn and his team

What has Illinois done w the tax raise to 5%? Where has all that money gone? What improvements have we seen? Just curious

That's not true about sm business paying people more. That's what is said every time there is talk of raising min wage. If people don't have any money they cant buy anything. That kills business. Middle and lower income people are the job creators. They spend 90 some % of their money on things. NIU athletics may find a few big donors looking for a write-off but these upgrades and going to the next level is going to have to come from the not so wealthy.

(10-30-2014 07:37 PM)dekalb222 Wrote:  That's not true about sm business paying people more. That's what is said every time there is talk of raising min wage. If people don't have any money they cant buy anything. That kills business.

Businesses seem to be doing fine with the current wage. How would increasing wage they pay to employees NOT hurt them? Are you sugessting that by paying more money to their employees, that the same businesses would make more money in return?

(10-30-2014 07:37 PM)dekalb222 Wrote:  That's not true about sm business paying people more. That's what is said every time there is talk of raising min wage. If people don't have any money they cant buy anything. That kills business. Middle and lower income people are the job creators. They spend 90 some % of their money on things. NIU athletics may find a few big donors looking for a write-off but these upgrades and going to the next level is going to have to come from the not so wealthy.

But low wages does not create people with no money. No wages does. Forcing business owners to pay more does more to reduce the number of employment positions available, rather than give everyone more money to spend.....Jim gets a higher wage while John gets laid off. Is this a good trade off? Idk I'm not a business owner, yet.

Anyway..... YAY UPGRADES! Wish the Olympic sports facility would include a collegiate natatorium.....but that would be like 20 mil by itself.

The problem is there have been min wage increases before. It never has done what you guys suggest it does. And it will not destroy small business this time either. What will destroy small business is people without money to spend.

What has QUINN or DURBIN done for NIU? Boot both of them out. [/code]

(10-30-2014 04:58 PM)GOONSQUAD41 Wrote:  After 2003 do you know what the spike was in applications to NIU?? Do you think it was because of the physics Prof? Let me know when 10k people show up to see an experiment.

The size and pay of the football staff is actually small compared to science dept. Physics Prof works 32 weeks a year. Our football staff works more like 50 weeks a year.

Maybe we should have more student loans for students so we can pay people who work 32 weeks a year more money because they are so great. Educational Greed is the problem not athletics.

FYI 2004 enrollment to NIU went down compared to the year prior. Same thing happened after the Orange Bowl. Applications were way up but actual enrollment was down.

Time to go the U of I route with 10% of the freshman class from China. Out of country tuition will jump the revenues, increase the graduation rates and ACT scores. Downside is I doubt if students from China are football fans.

can we leave politics to the non-football threads?!

(10-31-2014 07:29 AM)GjlNIU Wrote:  can we leave politics to the non-football threads?!

Thank you. We get enough political garbage via TV ads. No need to see it on this board other than S&N.

(10-31-2014 07:58 AM)beachboy Wrote:  

(10-31-2014 07:29 AM)GjlNIU Wrote:  can we leave politics to the non-football threads?!

Thank you. We get enough political garbage via TV ads. No need to see it on this board other than S&N.

Agreed, and its equally depressing to see that people (from both sides of the aisle) are only able to spew the garbage they see from TV ads.

This a budget issue so prob shouldn't even be here. The only issue I care about is that fact that we are 0-100 in Springfield and being a public school that has all these programs and bull crap what is the point. U of I doesn't take as many kids from in-state, they now go to ISU who increased their standards of a student while we are doing the opposite. I cant support anybody down there who gives the shaft to NIU.

Fact NIU will get either the same amount of money it got 20 years ago or will get less how the hell has this happened?

10 million bucks is a ton of money esp when the athletic dept has doubled in size.

(10-31-2014 08:32 AM)GOONSQUAD41 Wrote:  This a budget issue so prob shouldn't even be here. The only issue I care about is that fact that we are 0-100 in Springfield and being a public school that has all these programs and bull crap what is the point. U of I doesn't take as many kids from in-state, they now go to ISU who increased their standards of a student while we are doing the opposite. I cant support anybody down there who gives the shaft to NIU.

Fact NIU will get either the same amount of money it got 20 years ago or will get less how the hell has this happened?

10 million bucks is a ton of money esp when the athletic dept has doubled in size.

Whiskey Dick has re emerged

(10-30-2014 07:02 PM)dekalb222 Wrote:  Goonsquad, Rauner paid 19% on his taxes. Most people paid a higher %. I don't care about the guys wealth but I do know his policy of cut taxes and everything is bad for NIU and the state. If I made 25k a hour, I would not tell others they don't deserve a min wage increase of11-14 dollars a hour. That's just unreal!

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local...story.html

Paid the same in 12 and rauner paid more in 13! I would talk to the people who employ people first then go forward. If you think people need to be making more you can start your own business and start a trend.

I dont see him cutting down NIU like NIU has been treated.

Go Huskies!