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RE: One Way Rivalry Game?
Someone earlier in this thread referred to CMU-EMU / WMU-EMU as a "secondary" rivalry. I agree with that. There is something about playing another in-State team that often brings a bit more heat to things than playing another divisional team.

The comparison at the P1G level would be MSU - Michigan. Michigan considers Ohio State its main rival. MSU is the "little brother" (their words, not mine; I'm well aware of how that game has gone recently). Still heated, still a big deal, but not as big as THE game. I would say it's safe to assume that EMU players get up more for CMU / WMU most seasons. Although the EMU team I saw Saturday looked like it would rather just hit the bar and be done with it...
11-04-2014 12:50 AM
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RE: One Way Rivalry Game?
(11-04-2014 12:50 AM)CMichFan Wrote:  Someone earlier in this thread referred to CMU-EMU / WMU-EMU as a "secondary" rivalry. I agree with that. There is something about playing another in-State team that often brings a bit more heat to things than playing another divisional team.

The comparison at the P1G level would be MSU - Michigan. Michigan considers Ohio State its main rival. MSU is the "little brother" (their words, not mine; I'm well aware of how that game has gone recently). Still heated, still a big deal, but not as big as THE game. I would say it's safe to assume that EMU players get up more for CMU / WMU most seasons. Although the EMU team I saw Saturday looked like it would rather just hit the bar and be done with it...

I disagree with that comparison. My overall point was that CMU-EMU is mainly a 1 way rivalry. EMU fans view us as their rival, CMU fans view it as a poor football team who happens to be in state. Sure, if you want to call them a rival, go for it. But a majority of CMU fans do not consider it a rivalry.

MSU-UM may be UM secondary rival, but everyone at both schools considers it a heated rivalry. OSU may be bigger, but UM-MSU is still one of the biggest rivalries in the entire country.

I guess I should have phrased this as "a rivalry game requires both sides". CMU-EMU does not have that, outside of a small portion of CMU fans. It's not a shot at EMU (from my perspective at least), I am just saying CMU doesn't really consier it a rivalry. If that is because CMU fans think EMU is terrible, then so be it, I don't really care what the reason is, but it's simply not both ways.
11-04-2014 10:26 AM
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RE: One Way Rivalry Game?
(11-04-2014 10:26 AM)george14 Wrote:  
(11-04-2014 12:50 AM)CMichFan Wrote:  Someone earlier in this thread referred to CMU-EMU / WMU-EMU as a "secondary" rivalry. I agree with that. There is something about playing another in-State team that often brings a bit more heat to things than playing another divisional team.

The comparison at the P1G level would be MSU - Michigan. Michigan considers Ohio State its main rival. MSU is the "little brother" (their words, not mine; I'm well aware of how that game has gone recently). Still heated, still a big deal, but not as big as THE game. I would say it's safe to assume that EMU players get up more for CMU / WMU most seasons. Although the EMU team I saw Saturday looked like it would rather just hit the bar and be done with it...

I disagree with that comparison. My overall point was that CMU-EMU is mainly a 1 way rivalry. EMU fans view us as their rival, CMU fans view it as a poor football team who happens to be in state. Sure, if you want to call them a rival, go for it. But a majority of CMU fans do not consider it a rivalry.

MSU-UM may be UM secondary rival, but everyone at both schools considers it a heated rivalry. OSU may be bigger, but UM-MSU is still one of the biggest rivalries in the entire country.

I guess I should have phrased this as "a rivalry game requires both sides". CMU-EMU does not have that, outside of a small portion of CMU fans. It's not a shot at EMU (from my perspective at least), I am just saying CMU doesn't really consier it a rivalry. If that is because CMU fans think EMU is terrible, then so be it, I don't really care what the reason is, but it's simply not both ways.

MSU vs. UM is a top 30 rivalry... but not one of the largest in the country IMO. ND vs. UM was bigger. It's probably one of the largest secondary rivalry's? Maybe LSU and Bama in that conversation? USC has a few rivalry games as well.

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RE: One Way Rivalry Game?
(11-04-2014 10:56 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  MSU vs. UM is a top 30 rivalry... but not one of the largest in the country IMO. ND vs. UM was bigger. It's probably one of the largest secondary rivalry's? Maybe LSU and Bama in that conversation? USC has a few rivalry games as well.

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Fine, we don't have to nitpick. You understand my point. It takes two to tango.
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RE: One Way Rivalry Game?
I think the biggest one-way rivalry is the NIU Huskies vs. the Toledo Nonrivals.
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RE: One Way Rivalry Game?
I would say that NIU-Toledo has been a rivalry over the past few years in the sense that the MAC West has essentially come down to whoever wins that game in the last four years. I know Toledo and BG is the historic rivalry, but the Toledo game is the one all NIU fans get up for over any other MAC game because Toledo's the team we have to go through to get back to Detroit every year.

And from a national perspective, I think that the majority of college football fans who don't follow the MAC closely would mistakenly believe that NIU and Toledo are big time rivals because that's the game that brought MACtion to the mainstream in 2011, it's the one game that is guaranteed to be on national television every November, and it's probably the first, and maybe only matchup, that non-MAC followers can name from the conference slate.
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RE: One Way Rivalry Game?
For older MiamiU fans, it could be that UC/MiamiU is another "one-sided rivalry", with MiamiU supporters seeing it as a "top team in SW Ohio" game, and UC supporters seeing that race as well over, with the horses cooled down, brushed down, fed and asleep in the barn.

OTOH, since they don't play that often anymore, it's a historical series that is likely overlooked by a large fraction of younger supporters. It seems like an ongoing "one-sided rivalry" would mostly have to be in-conference, since OOC the school that is just not into it as much has a lot of incentive to not continue playing it. Maybe the model for that is Notre Dame - Purdue, where as soon as Notre Dame had solved their scheduling issues with a scheduling agreement with the ACC plus their main rivalry games, they've dropped the annual Purdue game.
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RE: One Way Rivalry Game?
I am sure you can say the same thing both ways for Kent State and BGSU. They have a prize to play for, they are born from the same bill, they are both in state, and are fairly similar but I am not sure that the students treat the two as much of a rival as they perhaps should. In football it makes sense as BGSU has a huge lead in the all time series (it isn't even close) but in other sports I guess it is too bad.

I also believe that both are each others most played opponent in college football.
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RE: One Way Rivalry Game?
(11-04-2014 07:13 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  I am sure you can say the same thing both ways for Kent State and BGSU. They have a prize to play for, they are born from the same bill, they are both in state, and are fairly similar but I am not sure that the students treat the two as much of a rival as they perhaps should. In football it makes sense as BGSU has a huge lead in the all time series (it isn't even close) but in other sports I guess it is too bad.
Though is that even a "one-way rival"? MiamiU/UC was an established rivalry a long time ago, but it had heat so long ago that it faded. So if it had a "one-way rivalry" phase, it could just be a case of fading faster in Cincinnati than in Oxford. By now, it could well only be a rivalry in the "old-timers remember the day when" sense.

Bowling Green / Kent is more a latent rivalry ... there are some things that make it seem like it could be a rivalry, but it has never had the spark to get going. The Kent / Akron rivalry is an old-fashioned cross-town rivalry, and the recent period when both were weak in FB was one when they were frequently fighting for the conference title in BBall, which helped sustain the rivalry.
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