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RE: So the strategy of playing a difficult SOS seems to have won out, good
I believe Marshall is just on the edge and if ECU loses just one game, they're hosed.

I've already heard Marshall talked up in the media since they're undefeated. I just hope the committee does due diligence on a team's SoS.

I expect ECU to lose one of their remaining games so it will be close.
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RE: So the strategy of playing a difficult SOS seems to have won out, good
(10-29-2014 11:29 AM)mac6115cd Wrote:  I believe Marshall is just on the edge and if ECU loses just one game, they're hosed.

I've already heard Marshall talked up in the media since they're undefeated. I just hope the committee does due diligence on a team's SoS.

I expect ECU to lose one of their remaining games so it will be close.

I think you will always see some parts of the media/committee be somewhat biased against AAC teams or give the benefit of the doubt to a C-USA, MAC or even MWC team b/c fairly or not, many still view the AAC as the ‘Big East’ and the negative connotation that they/we suffered.

What is clear that much like the BE the AAC is the tweener conference and folks are going to give the ‘underdog status ’to the other G5 conferences. IMO, AAC teams are doing the right thing by scheduling as many P5 teams as possible, even if that means there are a few more one and done or unbalanced contracts with ‘name’ teams.
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RE: So the strategy of playing a difficult SOS seems to have won out, good
(10-29-2014 11:04 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(10-29-2014 10:56 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  It won out before the season started.

I told a fairly big Marshall donor this the other day...with what they had coming back, Marshall should have scheduled a "bodybag" game.

He looked at me like I was crazy.

I told him that no one really knows where you stand nationally if you don't play at least 1 P5 opponent...and if that means you have to go to them, collect a check and lose a close game, then so be it. That is better than beating "another" MAC team. I pointed to ECU playing at Florida next year, which was scheduled not long ago. I also told him that going forward (they are adding Charlotte to the schedule in CUSA), Marshall needs to try and schedule at least 2 P5 games every year and at the least an AAC/MWC game. THAT was what really killed Marshall...not only do you not know nationally where Marshall stands, but as well you have no reference point with the two conferences you were competing against, the MWC and American. I told him he should be blaming his AD rather than blaming Louisville.

That being said, I think Marshall has a good team, but that doesn't mean they should be rewarded for terrible scheduling.

I think you're probably right. My only point is that it's hard to tell how big an impact SOS is having, when we can't see where Marshall stands. It obviously is having some impact, but if they are #26, then the difference is no more than the regular polls, which really don't consider SOS much, at all.

I think SOS for a G5 school will a bigger factor in selecting the best G5 conf. champ. when records are similiar.
Marshall could be #26 so could CSU. If SOS is having any factor I'd hope that CSU is sitting #26. Without knowing how each committee member voted we really won't know.

Besides, this is only the first ranking. ECU got a head start and for good reason. But next week if ECU wins, they could disappear from the top 25 by a P5 team or Marshall/CSU being how close to the edge they are at #23.

Its nice to know where you stand now, but its meaningless if you are not there at the end.
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RE: So the strategy of playing a difficult SOS seems to have won out, good
Overall SOS isn't as much of a factor as big wins. Scheduling and beating teams that are ranked will be more important than anything else going forward. Nothing has changed we still need to schedule big and win big OOC to advance our conference and individual schools. In conference wins will start to be more important when we take care of business OOC.
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RE: So the strategy of playing a difficult SOS seems to have won out, good
(10-29-2014 10:58 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(10-29-2014 10:27 AM)ultraviolet Wrote:  
(10-29-2014 07:51 AM)TripleA Wrote:  We don't really know that SOS is playing a big part. We don't know how far behind Marshall is, with the committee, b/c they only show the top 25. If ECU loses a game, maybe Marshall jumps them, who knows? I mean, ECU was ahead of Marshall in the regular polls, so it would be normal for them to be ahead of Marshall now.

I hope a stronger SOS is in play, but we can't tell it based on what we see with ECU at the moment. At least we know one loss is okay, but what about two losses? I doubt SOS will make that much difference, compared to the normal polls.

SOS is partly calculated by the opponents of your opponents. So beating the team that beat Ohio State and that beat UVa, Ga Tech, and almost Notre Dame factors in partially.

Not necessarily. My understanding is the committee is free to calculate SOS however they please, including just using the eye test.

That is likely true for the committee, but is used in the various SOS measures that are out there. I think the committee will factor that and it appears they did by not only the ECU pick, but in picking their current top 4. It's not possible to look at teams and not look at their opponents and their schedules to measure them. So Ole Miss beats Alabama then 'bama stomps Texas A&M. Ole Miss looks really good. Their loss on the road at LSU isn't as bad as their win over 'bama is good. If 'bama played Marshall's schedule I doubt Ole Miss gets the mojo. Big thing is that this preliminary look is just a snapshot in time. By December things will look clearer. This only serves to show that everyone has their relative position in hand now and what the results of winning out will yield for them. Winning on the road is critical now for everyone.
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RE: So the strategy of playing a difficult SOS seems to have won out, good
It is set up for the winner of UCF and ECU to go to the access bowl if both take care of business here on out. UCF would be 10-2 with a win over a top 20 maybe even top 15 ECU, would slingshot past everyone else.
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RE: So the strategy of playing a difficult SOS seems to have won out, good
I like how everyone "expects" ECU to lose another game
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RE: So the strategy of playing a difficult SOS seems to have won out, good
Happy for ECU and I think their scheduling mentality is correct.

Wonder if this will make scheduling P5 games harder. Effectively this means the P5 can shut out the G5 simply by not scheduling games with us.
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RE: So the strategy of playing a difficult SOS seems to have won out, good
It's funny how Notre Dame moving to the ACC has hurt their football SOS. Now instead of scheduling traditional rivals they could play as an independent they have to play 5 ACC schools that are killing their SOS.
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RE: So the strategy of playing a difficult SOS seems to have won out, good
(10-29-2014 07:44 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  UCF picked up a game at Stanford next year (to start a 1-1 series) pretty damn quickly. So I really don't want to hear anymore about how poor lil Marshall couldn't find anyone else to schedule after UL had to rearrange their schedule.

I guarentee you they could have gone on the road to play some Big 10 or Big 12 team as soon as UL bolted.

Instead they put yet another MAC East team on the schedule.

It's fitting, and appropriate, they aren't being rewarded for such a bad schedule.

Every school in CUSA, except Marshall; played at least 1 P5 opponent. Most CUSA schools played at least 2 P5 opponents. I didn't even check the other G5 conference schools, but I feel confident in saying that most G5 schools play at least 1 P5 opponent per year. So how Marshall and Houston avoided that is kind of unique; but Houston did play BYU.
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(10-29-2014 10:06 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  The big ? for ECU is that all the teams they played have no winning records currently.

BUT......when we played both acc teams they were in both 25......so if ecu was in the acc we would still be undefeated! Things happen during a season such as suspensions, injuries, etc. When ecu played usc (lost) our defensive middle guard (swamp monster......365 lbs.) did not play and surly usc would not been able to run up middle and burn last 8 minutes of game and scored. We beat two oustanding teams (top 25 at time) ........period!
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RE: So the strategy of playing a difficult SOS seems to have won out, good
In the past I can remember some of our present and former conference mates giving ECU a really hard time about scheduling overly hard for our OOC. We were told we should schedule only one "tough" game, two against good but beatable teams and one cup cake. I think playing NCCU this year hurt our SOS. It would seem now, after the first CFP poll if you're a team not in a "power league" if you want to have any shot at the access bowl and dare to dream of ever making it into the playoff bowls you better not only be a great team but your schedule better be impressive.
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(10-29-2014 12:47 PM)r2pirate Wrote:  
(10-29-2014 10:06 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  The big ? for ECU is that all the teams they played have no winning records currently.

BUT......when we played both acc teams they were in both 25......so if ecu was in the acc we would still be undefeated! Things happen during a season such as suspensions, injuries, etc. When ecu played usc (lost) our defensive middle guard (swamp monster......365 lbs.) did not play and surly usc would not been able to run up middle and burn last 8 minutes of game and scored. We beat two oustanding teams (top 25 at time) ........period!

This has more to do with the current status of conference teams rather than the status of OOC teams played. If the AAC is to ever be taken seriously, all of us must win against OOC P5 teams on a regular basis AND have around 4 teams in the conference that flirt with the top 25 year in and year out.
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(10-29-2014 01:06 PM)CrownRoyal Wrote:  In the past I can remember some of our present and former conference mates giving ECU a really hard time about scheduling overly hard for our OOC. We were told we should schedule only one "tough" game, two against good but beatable teams and one cup cake. I think playing NCCU this year hurt our SOS. It would seem now, after the first CFP poll if you're a team not in a "power league" if you want to have any shot at the access bowl and dare to dream of ever making it into the playoff bowls you better not only be a great team but your schedule better be impressive.

FWIW, I think the NCCU game would've been WVU had they not gotten a Chick Fil A kickoff classic game vs Bama. The game got pushed, so we could've had 4 Power 5's on the schedule.
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(10-29-2014 12:32 PM)PirateJP Wrote:  It's funny how Notre Dame moving to the ACC has hurt their football SOS. Now instead of scheduling traditional rivals they could play as an independent they have to play 5 ACC schools that are killing their SOS.



No complaints. Just win every game (this year and next).

Why worry about committee concocted rankings that one cannot control?

Frankly, I am just sitting back and enjoying Notre Dame's resurgence into national prominence under Brian Kelly.

ND is 27-6 since the beginning of the 2012 season (19-2 when Everett Golson started).

It is all good. Next year's team will have almost everyone back, plus 3 of the players suspended this year, plus is sitting on the #7 recruiting class right now.

I like where Kelly is taking the ND program. No worries about calls or rankings here, especially at the end of October.



To directly address your post, I guess it proves that ND should never, ever join any conference for football, right?
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(10-29-2014 01:31 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  [quote='CrownRoyal' pid='11304991' dateline='1414606010']
In the past I can remember some of our present and former conference mates giving ECU a really hard time about scheduling overly hard for our OOC. We were told we should schedule only one "tough" game, two against good but beatable teams and one cup cake. I think playing NCCU this year hurt our SOS. It would seem now, after the first CFP poll if you're a team not in a "power league" if you want to have any shot at the access bowl and dare to dream of ever making it into the playoff bowls you better not only be a great team but your schedule better be impressive.

FWIW, I think the NCCU game would've been WVU had they not gotten a Chick Fil A kickoff classic game vs Bama. The game got pushed, so we could've had 4 Power 5's on the schedule.
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I don't know if we needed 4 cartel OOC games, but the NCCU game could have been replaced with a decent G5. (no Navy; Knee injuries) maybe a san Diego st or how about....Marshall?
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(10-29-2014 01:54 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(10-29-2014 12:32 PM)PirateJP Wrote:  It's funny how Notre Dame moving to the ACC has hurt their football SOS. Now instead of scheduling traditional rivals they could play as an independent they have to play 5 ACC schools that are killing their SOS.



No complaints. Just win every game (this year and next).

Why worry about committee concocted rankings that one cannot control?

Frankly, I am just sitting back and enjoying Notre Dame's resurgence into national prominence under Brian Kelly.

ND is 27-6 since the beginning of the 2012 season (19-2 when Everett Golson started).

It is all good. Next year's team will have almost everyone back, plus 3 of the players suspended this year, plus is sitting on the #7 recruiting class right now.

I like where Kelly is taking the ND program. No worries about calls or rankings here, especially at the end of October.



To directly address your post, I guess it proves that ND should never, ever join any conference for football, right?

it's funny for ND- they almost have all the bad parts of the conference life, w/o the biggest reward.
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RE: So the strategy of playing a difficult SOS seems to have won out, good
Some of you aren't getting my point.

Marshall wants to talk about how they are blowing people out. The problem is "who" they are blowing out.

Marshall had 3 MAC teams and a FCS in the OOC. ECU had 2 ACC, 1 SEC and a FCS. That is the only thing that matters to this committee when it comes to SOS...whether its P5 or G5. You can't control how those teams do THAT season...but this was about INTENT.

That was my point to the Marshall donor...if you are happy playing MAC schools, then you will not get a second glance when it comes to decisions for a major bowl. That goes for a Big Ten school or Marshall, which is why Michigan State went out to Oregon. As I said before, this situation was decided before the season. Marshall or whoever else has to change their mindset. Go play someone.
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(10-29-2014 12:18 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Happy for ECU and I think their scheduling mentality is correct.

Wonder if this will make scheduling P5 games harder. Effectively this means the P5 can shut out the G5 simply by not scheduling games with us.

Actually they've effectively shut the G5 out of the playoff so it's likely they don't care. They view more through the lens of how do we affect their SOS going forward and home and homes. The access bowl is guaranteed to one G5 so they don't see us as a playoff threat.
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(10-29-2014 01:57 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I don't know if we needed 4 cartel OOC games, but the NCCU game could have been replaced with a decent G5. (no Navy; Knee injuries) maybe a san Diego st or how about....Marshall?

Lord no. We should NEVER play Marshall again. That was Compher's first major F up as athletic director. I can't think of a single benefit to ever playing them again.
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