I'm glad I'm not watching that garbage on TV (that selection show that ESPN keeps pumping), I had a feeling someone was going to get screwed, but to not have Marshall ranked, tells me all I need to know and what everyone concerned should already know, that the so-called "national" championship is their private playground & piggy bank, an exclusive club run by politicians, good ole boys and oblivious, arrogant, snobbish a**hole media tool types not to be shared, this is their "Mount Olympus" and the Mountain West, MAC, Sun Belt, AAC & Conference USA are "mere mortals", insignificant insects in their grand scheme, this is their prevailing attitude, and somehow, someway, something needs to be done. Whether we care to realize it or not, those conferences and the schools we root for in sports, particularly football, are on the "endangered list" under the current climate.

(10-28-2014 07:32 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 07:28 PM)herdftblfan1 Wrote:  They are forcing G5 schools to play P5 schools or else. Soon, all we will get are one and done or 3-1 offers to play. They are creating two divisions and sadly, recruits will start to see it as well.

They ranked one P5 just enough to show who they would give the access bowl. Otherwise, they slapped ever G5 school including ECU in the face.


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Honestly, that's the way it should be. G5 programs should have multiple P5 teams on their schedule every year. I think G5 programs need to prove they can beat P5 teams during the season in order to earn the access bowl.

But how can they when the cowards refuse to play you when they fear that you can beat them? They seem to have all the negotiating power regarding whether or not to play home and home, and please ask yourself this, regarding those occasions where "David" manages to break his foot off in "Goliath's" a**, how many times have you seen an immediate rematch with the 2 teams in question? I don't think Kansas State has played North Dakota State (the REAL National Champions, in my eyes!) since the Bison knocked them off in Mahattan a couple of seasons ago. It's a pattern I've been noticing over the years. Certain programs that used to be considered pushovers by so-called elite teams weren't scheduling these teams as much if at all, when they got competitive enough to kick their a**es. So, you can't make them play you if they don't want to, for fear that an upset will derail their chances at a mythical national championship. I happen to think this Marshall team can play with anyone in the country, and that no one on "Mount Olympus" wanted to do battle with them, just as it was with Boise State, Fresno State (ask Wisconsin about them, then-head coach Pat Hill pretty much called out the Pac-12 to take his Bulldogs on, and only USC responded, and they still gave the Trojans a hell of a game, but in addition to UW, they hung an L on another Pac-12 team, but can't recall which one) & TCU when they evolved into competitive programs, Texas didn't even want TCU joining the Big 12...& Marshall could be on their way to becoming another conference's worst nightmare if they continue on this path for a few years to come, maybe the ACC or Big-10, who knows?

(10-28-2014 08:23 PM)Matrix Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 07:32 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 07:28 PM)herdftblfan1 Wrote:  They are forcing G5 schools to play P5 schools or else. Soon, all we will get are one and done or 3-1 offers to play. They are creating two divisions and sadly, recruits will start to see it as well.

They ranked one P5 just enough to show who they would give the access bowl. Otherwise, they slapped ever G5 school including ECU in the face.


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Honestly, that's the way it should be. G5 programs should have multiple P5 teams on their schedule every year. I think G5 programs need to prove they can beat P5 teams during the season in order to earn the access bowl.

But how can they when the cowards refuse to play you when they fear that you can beat them? They seem to have all the negotiating power regarding whether or not to play home and home, and please ask yourself this, regarding those occasions where "David" manages to break his foot off in "Goliath's" a**, how many times have you seen an immediate rematch with the 2 teams in question? I don't think Kansas State has played North Dakota State (the REAL National Champions, in my eyes!) since the Bison knocked them off in Mahattan a couple of seasons ago. It's a pattern I've been noticing over the years. Certain programs that used to be considered pushovers by so-called elite teams weren't scheduling these teams as much if at all, when they got competitive enough to kick their a**es. So, you can't make them play you if they don't want to, for fear that an upset will derail their chances at a mythical national championship.

That's why you play the UNC's, VT's, Duke's, South Carolina's, Wake's of the Cartel. ECU has some history with USCe and their AD like ECU, the rest can't do what Bama, Tenn., KState do. VT is a little different, they used to be where we are, but unlike Loserville they haven't forgot.

"But how can they when the cowards refuse to play you when they fear that you can beat them?"

Yet ECU was able to schedule 3...hell, Memphis got 2 in the top-15

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/224...e-playoffs

(10-28-2014 08:35 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  "But how can they when the cowards refuse to play you when they fear that you can beat them?"

Yet ECU was able to schedule 3...hell, Memphis got 2 in the top-15

Hell G5 wins are the only ones that schools like Wake Forest, NC State, Kansas and Vanderbilt can get. So you know that those schools will be looking for G5 games.

(10-28-2014 08:35 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  "But how can they when the cowards refuse to play you when they fear that you can beat them?"

Yet ECU was able to schedule 3...hell, Memphis got 2 in the top-15

think that if Memphis knocks any of them off that they'll be anxious for a rematch? Some programs are more successful at getting some of these schools to play them than others. There are some exceptions to this rule.

(10-28-2014 08:03 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 08:02 PM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  They have us where they want us.

When have they not????

Same as it ever was... You've just got to play by their rules if you want to compete in FBS football. It's no different than back in the days of road whoring to get quality opponents. Schedule more than 1 power 5 program, beat them and you shouldn't have any problems getting respect.

Marshall's scheduling problem isn't that P5s won't play us, it's that most won't sign a 1 for 1. Mike Hamrick said he was only going to sign 1 for 1s when he got the job and he's stayed true to his word. I respect that approach, but at the same time we need more name brands on the schedule.

(10-28-2014 07:32 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 07:28 PM)herdftblfan1 Wrote:  They are forcing G5 schools to play P5 schools or else. Soon, all we will get are one and done or 3-1 offers to play. They are creating two divisions and sadly, recruits will start to see it as well.

They ranked one P5 just enough to show who they would give the access bowl. Otherwise, they slapped ever G5 school including ECU in the face.


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Honestly, that's the way it should be. G5 programs should have multiple P5 teams on their schedule every year. I think G5 programs need to prove they can beat P5 teams during the season in order to earn the access bowl.

Multiple P5 teams aren't the issue, it's multiple P5 teams on the road with little interest from them playing away at your stadium.

Checkout the SEC's scheduling
8 home games: Vanderbilt
7 + "neutral" (Everbank Stadium - Jacksonville) site: Georgia
7 + "neutral" (Georgia Dome) site: Ole Miss; Alabama
7 + "neutral" (NRG Stadium - Houston) site: LSU
7 + "neutral" (AT&T Stadium - DFW) site: Arkansas
Everyone else 7 home games (4 conf + 3 OOC)

Compare and contrast the SEC to Rice:
5 home games (4 conf + 1 OOC)

(10-28-2014 07:02 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  Think you're overreacting.

Really? So how is the "Power" 5 and the "Group of 5" and different than using "BCS" and "non-BCS/Mid-major"? Segregative terms influenced by overuse on the major network that owns the rights (ESPN). Instead of BCS now they are Power and they have one less conference to deal with.

Instead of having the Coaches Poll bought and paid for they now have a 13... Oh wait... 12 person "Commitee" who tells you how it is. Oh and the best part the votes arnt public. We will NEVER know who votes for what or whom.

It's the same basic format just with more money involved for all from top to bottom but the POWER which is what Roy Kramer and his cronies crave is still in one spot. It's a system that's deskgned from the top down to the very schedules that the SEC plays every year. That's why they all play 1-AAs deep into Novemeber while the rest of the nation is playing confernce game and losing . They all get the one week boost in the rankings. It's design for power that has worked out epically better than old Roy could of ever imagined.

(10-28-2014 10:15 PM)MerseyOwl Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 07:32 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 07:28 PM)herdftblfan1 Wrote:  They are forcing G5 schools to play P5 schools or else. Soon, all we will get are one and done or 3-1 offers to play. They are creating two divisions and sadly, recruits will start to see it as well.

They ranked one P5 just enough to show who they would give the access bowl. Otherwise, they slapped ever G5 school including ECU in the face.


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Honestly, that's the way it should be. G5 programs should have multiple P5 teams on their schedule every year. I think G5 programs need to prove they can beat P5 teams during the season in order to earn the access bowl.

Multiple P5 teams aren't the issue, it's multiple P5 teams on the road with little interest from them playing away at your stadium.

Checkout the SEC's scheduling
8 home games: Vanderbilt
7 + "neutral" (Everbank Stadium - Jacksonville) site: Georgia
7 + "neutral" (Georgia Dome) site: Ole Miss; Alabama
7 + "neutral" (NRG Stadium - Houston) site: LSU
7 + "neutral" (AT&T Stadium - DFW) site: Arkansas
Everyone else 7 home games (4 conf + 3 OOC)

Compare and contrast the SEC to Rice:
5 home games (4 conf + 1 OOC)

Draw big crowds to your games and you can do that too. It's pretty simple concept but not simple in practice. There's NO SUCH THING as a level playing field.

(10-28-2014 07:24 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 07:14 PM)herdftblfan1 Wrote:  I don't think I am at all. I think this is a strong message to the G5. The P5 has zero respect for us and is ranking ECU just as high as they have to. No G5 school will ever make the playoff; ever. I mean they didn't even respect the coaches poll.

ECU is relieved and I get that but this is a G5 shunning.

I really kind of almost agree with you.... but what it looks more like to me is a self fulfilling prophecy....

P5 designation vs G5 designation is looking to be a caste system. The catch is a P5 won't move down too much for playing weak G5s or losing to P5s but its hard as hell for a G5 to move up based on trying to secure those P5 OOC games.

The playoff is nothing more than the BCS re-branded.

Yep. Did you really think that they would open the doors to new teams? Booting the Big East has been a goal forever. That's what was so comical about those that were running to the Merica Conf thinking they were off to the Big Boy table.

(10-28-2014 07:03 PM)Eagle in the gym Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 07:02 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  Think you're overreacting.

Think he is observant.

Think you're overreacting too!

(10-28-2014 10:17 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 07:02 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  Think you're overreacting.

Really? So how is the "Power" 5 and the "Group of 5" and different than using "BCS" and "non-BCS/Mid-major"? Segregative terms influenced by overuse on the major network that owns the rights (ESPN). Instead of BCS now they are Power and they have one less conference to deal with.

Instead of having the Coaches Poll bought and paid for they now have a 13... Oh wait... 12 person "Commitee" who tells you how it is. Oh and the best part the votes arnt public. We will NEVER know who votes for what or whom.

It's the same basic format just with more money involved for all from top to bottom but the POWER which is what Roy Kramer and his cronies crave is still in one spot. It's a system that's deskgned from the top down to the very schedules that the SEC plays every year. That's why they all play 1-AAs deep into Novemeber while the rest of the nation is playing confernce game and losing . They all get the one week boost in the rankings. It's design for power that has worked out epically better than old Roy could of ever imagined.

Maybe overreacting is the wrong word. Probably the correct thing to say is that some of you are acting very naive. You already know what the P5 is doing and it's not like they're trying to hide it. But for some reason y'all keeping getting your feelings hurt over this stuff.