http://www.ubbullrun.com/2014/10/28/7086...ce-measure

Cleveland, Ohio – With a strong commitment to sportsmanship, integrity and a student-first student-athlete experience, the Mid-American Conference (MAC) Council of Presidents affirms its commitment to the collegiate experience. The MAC will support the redefinition of an athletics grant-in-aid to include cost of attendance if autonomous legislation is enacted during the annual NCAA Convention in January, 2015.

The presidents of the MAC are committed to remaining a strong, vibrant and values-oriented NCAA Division I Football Bowl Subdivision Conference, focused on the overall campus life experience of the individual student-athletes which includes academic success and graduation, social growth and teams competing at the highest competitive levels.

"The MAC is dedicated to supporting our student-athletes in the classroom, the community and on the playing field with the ultimate goal of graduating and having a great collegiate experience," said MAC Commissioner Jon Steinbrecher.

This should surprise no one. Schools that are currently in FBS are all-in and will devote whatever resources are necessary in an attempt to compete with the big boys. Going forward, any school who doesn't pay full cost of attendance may as well go down to FCS.

(10-28-2014 03:35 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  This should surprise no one. Schools that are currently in FBS are all-in and will devote whatever resources are necessary in an attempt to compete with the big boys. Going forward, any school who doesn't pay full cost of attendance may as well go down to FCS.

You're right of course but there are many who have boasted that the "little 4" would be starved out by FCA. The reality is most schools have a sport or two to give should their budget get that tight..

All G5 conference will support the FCOA, 4-year schollies, etc the P5 want. The bigger issue is which conferences make it mandatory or have it on a individual school decision. That is where the possibility lies in a few G5 schools not want to enact those measures and whereas it will lead to an eventual decision of to stay FBS.

(10-28-2014 03:41 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 03:35 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  This should surprise no one. Schools that are currently in FBS are all-in and will devote whatever resources are necessary in an attempt to compete with the big boys. Going forward, any school who doesn't pay full cost of attendance may as well go down to FCS.

You're right of course but there are many who have boasted that the "little 4" would be starved out by FCA. The reality is most schools have a sport or two to give should their budget get that tight..

A lot of that non-sense came from FCS fans "hoping" that the top FCS would hold its gap with the G5. It was more "in-to-wishing" than "intuition"

In reality the gap between the weakest FBS conference and top FCS conference just blew wide-open and the gap widened hugely. Non-sense FCS Commissioners like Fullerton on the Big Sky just got pushed down the totem further.

All the FBS conferences will also rise above the basketball only conferences like the Atlantic 10 and Big East. Its just a matter of time.

(10-28-2014 04:02 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 03:41 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 03:35 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  This should surprise no one. Schools that are currently in FBS are all-in and will devote whatever resources are necessary in an attempt to compete with the big boys. Going forward, any school who doesn't pay full cost of attendance may as well go down to FCS.

You're right of course but there are many who have boasted that the "little 4" would be starved out by FCA. The reality is most schools have a sport or two to give should their budget get that tight..

A lot of that non-sense came from FCS fans "hoping" that the top FCS would hold its gap with the G5. It was more "in-to-wishing" than "intuition"

In reality the gap between the weakest FBS conference and top FCS conference just blew wide-open and the gap widened hugely. Non-sense FCS Commissioners like Fullerton on the Big Sky just got pushed down the totem further.

All the FBS conferences will also rise above the basketball only conferences like the Atlantic 10 and Big East. Its just a matter of time.

FCS can allow FCOA also since they are part of D1 and the benefits are permissive?
Or would they need to make a special rules for FCS football only to off COA for those schools that can offer that also?

(10-28-2014 04:02 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 03:41 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 03:35 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  This should surprise no one. Schools that are currently in FBS are all-in and will devote whatever resources are necessary in an attempt to compete with the big boys. Going forward, any school who doesn't pay full cost of attendance may as well go down to FCS.

You're right of course but there are many who have boasted that the "little 4" would be starved out by FCA. The reality is most schools have a sport or two to give should their budget get that tight..

A lot of that non-sense came from FCS fans "hoping" that the top FCS would hold its gap with the G5. It was more "in-to-wishing" than "intuition"

In reality the gap between the weakest FBS conference and top FCS conference just blew wide-open and the gap widened hugely. Non-sense FCS Commissioners like Fullerton on the Big Sky just got pushed down the totem further.

All the FBS conferences will also rise above the basketball only conferences like the Atlantic 10 and Big East. Its just a matter of time.

Why would they? The Big East will make this mandatory, too. And I'd be shocked if schools like Dayton, Gonzaga, SLU, etc are going to let themselves be left behind.

(10-28-2014 03:57 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  All G5 conference will support the FCOA, 4-year schollies, etc the P5 want. The bigger issue is which conferences make it mandatory or have it on a individual school decision. That is where the possibility lies in a few G5 schools not want to enact those measures and whereas it will lead to an eventual decision of to stay FBS.

Good point. Gonzaga will almost certainly pay full cost of attendance, but will San Francisco, Pacific, and Pepperdine want it to be mandatory? Most MVC and CAA schools will probably support it, but can they all afford it? This might lead to a lot of shuffling among mid-and-lower level conferences. It's another case of the Law of Unintended Consequences.

Wonder if the Sun Belt will bother to readopt a resolution since they adopted one when the first stipend was approved?

(10-28-2014 03:41 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 03:35 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  This should surprise no one. Schools that are currently in FBS are all-in and will devote whatever resources are necessary in an attempt to compete with the big boys. Going forward, any school who doesn't pay full cost of attendance may as well go down to FCS.

You're right of course but there are many who have boasted that the "little 4" would be starved out by FCA. The reality is most schools have a sport or two to give should their budget get that tight..

The only reason why a school would move down is if an administration decides through cost/benefit analysis that FCS or dropping football would be a better fit.

More schools are headed for Independence at the SBC level. UMass has decided to just run its program as an Independent since they don't have a regional league to join. New Mexico State and Idaho may be voted out of the SBC to strengthen the schedule. Those 3 can all play each other as well as BYU in November. Hawaii seriously considered independence before.

Eastern Michigan's leadership should be talking to the Horizon and the Missouri Valley Football conference about placement. It would save the school money. They won't have to discount tickets to make the attendance rule. The MAC can bring in another school like Illinois St that could tap into Great Plains states for players.

(10-28-2014 04:02 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 03:41 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 03:35 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  This should surprise no one. Schools that are currently in FBS are all-in and will devote whatever resources are necessary in an attempt to compete with the big boys. Going forward, any school who doesn't pay full cost of attendance may as well go down to FCS.

You're right of course but there are many who have boasted that the "little 4" would be starved out by FCA. The reality is most schools have a sport or two to give should their budget get that tight..

A lot of that non-sense came from FCS fans "hoping" that the top FCS would hold its gap with the G5. It was more "in-to-wishing" than "intuition"

In reality the gap between the weakest FBS conference and top FCS conference just blew wide-open and the gap widened hugely. Non-sense FCS Commissioners like Fullerton on the Big Sky just got pushed down the totem further.

All the FBS conferences will also rise above the basketball only conferences like the Atlantic 10 and Big East. Its just a matter of time.

The bottom 10 or so conferences are going to be the ones facing hard choices.

If they choose to split the baby like they did last time and make FCOA apply only to head count sports FCS schools won't be able to adopt it in football because it is an equivalency sport. They can still adopt it in men's and women's hoops, women's volleyball and women's gymnastics.

The thing is a lot of those bottom level schools only moved up because the combination of:
1. Rising enrollments.
2. Looser student loan limits that made students less price aware.
3. State programs like "challenge" scholarships that reduced price awareness

They moved up on the power of student fees and with enrollments likely to fall and likely new restrictions on loans it is going to be hard to keep budgets where they are much less increase them.

(10-28-2014 04:02 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  A lot of that non-sense came from FCS fans "hoping" that the top FCS would hold its gap with the G5. It was more "in-to-wishing" than "intuition"

In reality the gap between the weakest FBS conference and top FCS conference just blew wide-open and the gap widened hugely. Non-sense FCS Commissioners like Fullerton on the Big Sky just got pushed down the totem further.

All the FBS conferences will also rise above the basketball only conferences like the Atlantic 10 and Big East. Its just a matter of time.

There's still the matter of the Names, Images, and Likeness (NIL) money. When added with the Full Cost of Attendance (FCoA) stipend, I really don't know that every school can afford it. Some suggest that smaller programs will cut sports, but not every athletic director will have the support to make that happen.

Trev Alberts at the University of Nebraska-Omaha walked a very fine line dropping the football and wrestling programs when the university transitioned to D1, and that's a very small potatoes school with a relatively small alumni and donor base. In other universities, you might find big-time donors that will walk away if wrestling, soccer, etc. are dropped, so ADs everywhere will have to very carefully navigate the decision to support NIL + FCoA stipends.

(10-28-2014 04:10 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 04:02 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 03:41 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 03:35 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  This should surprise no one. Schools that are currently in FBS are all-in and will devote whatever resources are necessary in an attempt to compete with the big boys. Going forward, any school who doesn't pay full cost of attendance may as well go down to FCS.

You're right of course but there are many who have boasted that the "little 4" would be starved out by FCA. The reality is most schools have a sport or two to give should their budget get that tight..

A lot of that non-sense came from FCS fans "hoping" that the top FCS would hold its gap with the G5. It was more "in-to-wishing" than "intuition"

In reality the gap between the weakest FBS conference and top FCS conference just blew wide-open and the gap widened hugely. Non-sense FCS Commissioners like Fullerton on the Big Sky just got pushed down the totem further.

All the FBS conferences will also rise above the basketball only conferences like the Atlantic 10 and Big East. Its just a matter of time.

Why would they? The Big East will make this mandatory, too. And I'd be shocked if schools like Dayton, Gonzaga, SLU, etc are going to let themselves be left behind.

(10-28-2014 03:57 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  All G5 conference will support the FCOA, 4-year schollies, etc the P5 want. The bigger issue is which conferences make it mandatory or have it on a individual school decision. That is where the possibility lies in a few G5 schools not want to enact those measures and whereas it will lead to an eventual decision of to stay FBS.

Good point. Gonzaga will almost certainly pay full cost of attendance, but will San Francisco, Pacific, and Pepperdine want it to be mandatory? Most MVC and CAA schools will probably support it, but can they all afford it? This might lead to a lot of shuffling among mid-and-lower level conferences. It's another case of the Law of Unintended Consequences.

I'm not convinced there will be a domino theory over the FCOA.

The conferences without football have less risk by offering FCOA to sports with high graduation rates. Big East, A10, WCC, Big West, Horizon. Then you have the MVC which is a combo of private schools with tradition and mid to big sized publics. They'll all fall in line with FCOA.

Will the bottom tier conferences like the Northeast say they'll make FCOA optional and would it convince a school like St. Bonaventure into moving down for that reason I don't know.

MEAC, SWAC and IVY aren't going to do FCOA with non-scholarship football.

Where does it leave a school like Liberty that aspires to FBS when their conference won't FCOA? Do they head for the Southern Conference?

Could you see a situation where the Horizon makes FCOA mandatory and the OVC makes it optional.....flipping Belmont from the OVC to Horizon?

(10-28-2014 05:29 PM)Eichorst Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 04:02 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  A lot of that non-sense came from FCS fans "hoping" that the top FCS would hold its gap with the G5. It was more "in-to-wishing" than "intuition"

In reality the gap between the weakest FBS conference and top FCS conference just blew wide-open and the gap widened hugely. Non-sense FCS Commissioners like Fullerton on the Big Sky just got pushed down the totem further.

All the FBS conferences will also rise above the basketball only conferences like the Atlantic 10 and Big East. Its just a matter of time.

There's still the matter of the Names, Images, and Likeness (NIL) money. When added with the Full Cost of Attendance (FCoA) stipend, I really don't know that every school can afford it. Some suggest that smaller programs will cut sports, but not every athletic director will have the support to make that happen.

Trev Alberts at the University of Nebraska-Omaha walked a very fine line dropping the football and wrestling programs when the university transitioned to D1, and that's a very small potatoes school with a relatively small alumni and donor base. In other universities, you might find big-time donors that will walk away if wrestling, soccer, etc. are dropped, so ADs everywhere will have to very carefully navigate the decision to support NIL + FCoA stipends.

Omaha didn't cut resources, they dropped football and double-downed in Hockey.

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(10-28-2014 05:29 PM)Eichorst Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 04:02 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  A lot of that non-sense came from FCS fans "hoping" that the top FCS would hold its gap with the G5. It was more "in-to-wishing" than "intuition"

In reality the gap between the weakest FBS conference and top FCS conference just blew wide-open and the gap widened hugely. Non-sense FCS Commissioners like Fullerton on the Big Sky just got pushed down the totem further.

All the FBS conferences will also rise above the basketball only conferences like the Atlantic 10 and Big East. Its just a matter of time.

There's still the matter of the Names, Images, and Likeness (NIL) money. When added with the Full Cost of Attendance (FCoA) stipend, I really don't know that every school can afford it. Some suggest that smaller programs will cut sports, but not every athletic director will have the support to make that happen.

Trev Alberts at the University of Nebraska-Omaha walked a very fine line dropping the football and wrestling programs when the university transitioned to D1, and that's a very small potatoes school with a relatively small alumni and donor base. In other universities, you might find big-time donors that will walk away if wrestling, soccer, etc. are dropped, so ADs everywhere will have to very carefully navigate the decision to support NIL + FCoA stipends.

The NIL money will be miniscule for smaller schools. I'm not sure it amounts to anything significant even for AAC schools. I know UC stopped selling jerseys with the numbers of popular active players quite awhile ago, so for UC the NIL money would just be whatever they earned from the NCAA's contract with EA Sports (which is practically zero because the NCAA uses most of that money to fund national championships in non-revenue sports).

(10-29-2014 11:26 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 05:29 PM)Eichorst Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 04:02 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  A lot of that non-sense came from FCS fans "hoping" that the top FCS would hold its gap with the G5. It was more "in-to-wishing" than "intuition"

In reality the gap between the weakest FBS conference and top FCS conference just blew wide-open and the gap widened hugely. Non-sense FCS Commissioners like Fullerton on the Big Sky just got pushed down the totem further.

All the FBS conferences will also rise above the basketball only conferences like the Atlantic 10 and Big East. Its just a matter of time.

There's still the matter of the Names, Images, and Likeness (NIL) money. When added with the Full Cost of Attendance (FCoA) stipend, I really don't know that every school can afford it. Some suggest that smaller programs will cut sports, but not every athletic director will have the support to make that happen.

Trev Alberts at the University of Nebraska-Omaha walked a very fine line dropping the football and wrestling programs when the university transitioned to D1, and that's a very small potatoes school with a relatively small alumni and donor base. In other universities, you might find big-time donors that will walk away if wrestling, soccer, etc. are dropped, so ADs everywhere will have to very carefully navigate the decision to support NIL + FCoA stipends.

The NIL money will be miniscule for smaller schools. I'm not sure it amounts to anything significant even for AAC schools. I know UC stopped selling jerseys with the numbers of popular active players quite awhile ago, so for UC the NIL money would just be whatever they earned from the NCAA's contract with EA Sports (which is practically zero because the NCAA uses most of that money to fund national championships in non-revenue sports).

Actually zero, the game has been discontinued.

(10-28-2014 05:29 PM)Eichorst Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 04:02 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  A lot of that non-sense came from FCS fans "hoping" that the top FCS would hold its gap with the G5. It was more "in-to-wishing" than "intuition"

In reality the gap between the weakest FBS conference and top FCS conference just blew wide-open and the gap widened hugely. Non-sense FCS Commissioners like Fullerton on the Big Sky just got pushed down the totem further.

All the FBS conferences will also rise above the basketball only conferences like the Atlantic 10 and Big East. Its just a matter of time.

There's still the matter of the Names, Images, and Likeness (NIL) money. When added with the Full Cost of Attendance (FCoA) stipend, I really don't know that every school can afford it. Some suggest that smaller programs will cut sports, but not every athletic director will have the support to make that happen.

Trev Alberts at the University of Nebraska-Omaha walked a very fine line dropping the football and wrestling programs when the university transitioned to D1, and that's a very small potatoes school with a relatively small alumni and donor base. In other universities, you might find big-time donors that will walk away if wrestling, soccer, etc. are dropped, so ADs everywhere will have to very carefully navigate the decision to support NIL + FCoA stipends.

And many schools don't have the extra sports to drop and stay D-I

(10-28-2014 05:29 PM)Eichorst Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 04:02 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  A lot of that non-sense came from FCS fans "hoping" that the top FCS would hold its gap with the G5. It was more "in-to-wishing" than "intuition"

In reality the gap between the weakest FBS conference and top FCS conference just blew wide-open and the gap widened hugely. Non-sense FCS Commissioners like Fullerton on the Big Sky just got pushed down the totem further.

All the FBS conferences will also rise above the basketball only conferences like the Atlantic 10 and Big East. Its just a matter of time.

There's still the matter of the Names, Images, and Likeness (NIL) money. When added with the Full Cost of Attendance (FCoA) stipend, I really don't know that every school can afford it. Some suggest that smaller programs will cut sports, but not every athletic director will have the support to make that happen.

Trev Alberts at the University of Nebraska-Omaha walked a very fine line dropping the football and wrestling programs when the university transitioned to D1, and that's a very small potatoes school with a relatively small alumni and donor base. In other universities, you might find big-time donors that will walk away if wrestling, soccer, etc. are dropped, so ADs everywhere will have to very carefully navigate the decision to support NIL + FCoA stipends.

Way to reward wrestling for taking home a national title, letting them know that very night their program was cut. Wasn't there a rumor that football was dropped so Alberts could one day become the AD in Lincoln? I followed the UNO situation a bit.