(10-28-2014 01:43 PM)Kronke Wrote: They're waking up. Maybe when the next race-baiting, far left nutjob promises them the free goodies in exchange for their vote, they'll run not walk.
Nah, every generation needs to learn it for itself.
The basic "90/10" paradigm of African-American politics (90% Democrat, 10% GOP) has been in place for about 50-55 years now. It has not quite (IMHO) run it's course, but it is in the final stages.
(10-28-2014 06:52 PM)firmbizzle Wrote: I'm glad the cons gave these guys jobs.
Joking aside, what's wrong in what they had to say?
Nothing but the fact is that they vote democrat because democrats are in their communities asking for their votes. Republicans are not. You gotta show up.
(10-28-2014 06:52 PM)firmbizzle Wrote: I'm glad the cons gave these guys jobs.
Joking aside, what's wrong in what they had to say?
Nothing but the fact is that they vote democrat because democrats are in their communities asking for their votes. Republicans are not. You gotta show up.
Absolutely. I think republicans would be shocked how many votes they might be able to get just by showing up with a sensible message. Jack Kemp was always a huge proponent of this. I've had a couple of conversations about it with Allen West. Republicans need to do this.
Say they get 5-10% more of the black vote. That doesn't sound like a lot, but it's enough to make a difference. Particularly considering that any vote they get counts twice--one more vote for them, and one less vote for the other side.
(10-29-2014 11:51 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: I think republicans would be shocked how many votes they might be able to get just by showing up with a sensible message. Jack Kemp was always a huge proponent of this.
I'm all in favor of fighting for every vote you can get, and I have always had a high regard for Jack Kemp. It must be said, however, that his own "outreach" efforts weren't exactly a roaring success when he ran in the GOP primaries (1988) and when he was the VP nominee with Bob Dole (1996).
More broadly, GOP efforts like advertising on radio/TV geared to African Americans has seemed to have a negligible impact over the years.
(10-29-2014 04:03 PM)Native Georgian Wrote: I'm all in favor of fighting for every vote you can get, and I have always had a high regard for Jack Kemp. It must be said, however, that his own "outreach" efforts weren't exactly a roaring success when he ran in the GOP primaries (1988) and when he was the VP nominee with Bob Dole (1996).
I think that was more Dole than Kemp. Kemp never seemed for whatever reason to get along well with establishment republicans. I still think he would have been the perfect VP candidate for GHWB, but the two couldn't stand each other. That always puzzled me, because I knew Jack and I know George even better, and I always thought they were both really nice people, and it always astounded me that they couldn't get along with each other.
Quote:More broadly, GOP efforts like advertising on radio/TV geared to African Americans has seemed to have a negligible impact over the years.
And I think the problem there is largely one of wrong message. I don't quite know what it is, but republicans just seem totally unable to connect with people who aren't just like them. There are tons of great republican messages for the African-American community, but the republican leadership doesn't seem to be able to get past how Lincoln freed the slaves.
(10-29-2014 04:03 PM)Native Georgian Wrote: I'm all in favor of fighting for every vote you can get, and I have always had a high regard for Jack Kemp. It must be said, however, that his own "outreach" efforts weren't exactly a roaring success when he ran in the GOP primaries (1988) and when he was the VP nominee with Bob Dole (1996).
I think that was more Dole than Kemp. Kemp never seemed for whatever reason to get along well with establishment republicans. I still think he would have been the perfect VP candidate for GHWB, but the two couldn't stand each other. That always puzzled me, because I knew Jack and I know George even better, and I always thought they were both really nice people, and it always astounded me that they couldn't get along with each other.
Quote:More broadly, GOP efforts like advertising on radio/TV geared to African Americans has seemed to have a negligible impact over the years.
And I think the problem there is largely one of wrong message. I don't quite know what it is, but republicans just seem totally unable to connect with people who aren't just like them. There are tons of great republican messages for the African-American community, but the republican leadership doesn't seem to be able to get past how Lincoln freed the slaves.
GOPers have been leaning on a Southern Strategy for nearly 50 years. Minorities have a very clear understanding of the GOP's message for them. That's just the reality of the situation.
Rand Paul has been reaching out for a while now to Black community's. Probably one reason when You mention His name amongst friends ,You seldom or never hear any negativity from Friends of Other diverse backgrounds.
(10-28-2014 07:32 PM)Native Georgian Wrote: The basic "90/10" paradigm of African-American politics (90% Democrat, 10% GOP) has been in place for about 50-55 years now. It has not quite (IMHO) run it's course, but it is in the final stages.
How would democrats win elections without them? Even if it goes to 70/30, 20% of blacks is 3% of the vote, which would be a 6 point swing. And that is nationwide. The swing would be much higher in states like VA, NC, OH, PA, and FL.
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(10-28-2014 07:32 PM)Native Georgian Wrote: The basic "90/10" paradigm of African-American politics (90% Democrat, 10% GOP) has been in place for about 50-55 years now. It has not quite (IMHO) run it's course, but it is in the final stages.
How would democrats win elections without them? Even if it goes to 70/30, 20% of blacks is 3% of the vote, which would be a 6 point swing. And that is nationwide. The swing would be much higher in states like VA, NC, OH, PA, and FL.
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Ever - Ohio's demographics are actually such that a smaller percentage of Blacks are part of the population than nationwide - but not by much. It's 12.2% with 82.7% listed as Caucasians.
In Ohio, I think the Union leanings, particularly in the northern part of the state, play a bigger factor in elections than strictly the vote of blacks. In many national elections, the whole Northeast section of Ohio is blue along with the Toledo area while virtually the rest of the state is red. With that said, Ohio is definitely a swing state that can go either way nationally.
Interestingly, at the state level, Republicans dominate with at least a 60-40 margin in both houses.
(10-28-2014 07:32 PM)Native Georgian Wrote: The basic "90/10" paradigm of African-American politics (90% Democrat, 10% GOP) has been in place for about 50-55 years now. It has not quite (IMHO) run it's course, but it is in the final stages.
How would democrats win elections without them? Even if it goes to 70/30, 20% of blacks is 3% of the vote, which would be a 6 point swing. And that is nationwide. The swing would be much higher in states like VA, NC, OH, PA, and FL.
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Ever - Ohio's demographics are actually such that a smaller percentage of Blacks are part of the population than nationwide - but not by much. It's 12.2% with 82.7% listed as Caucasians.
In Ohio, I think the Union leanings, particularly in the northern part of the state, play a bigger factor in elections than strictly the vote of blacks. In many national elections, the whole Northeast section of Ohio is blue along with the Toledo area while virtually the rest of the state is red. With that said, Ohio is definitely a swing state that can go either way nationally.
Interestingly, at the state level, Republicans dominate with at least a 60-40 margin in both houses.
Gotcha, I thought Ohio was blacker than that. Still significant enough that if 30% had voted for Romney, he probably would have won the state. It was a thin margin.
(10-28-2014 07:32 PM)Native Georgian Wrote: The basic "90/10" paradigm of African-American politics (90% Democrat, 10% GOP) has been in place for about 50-55 years now. It has not quite (IMHO) run it's course, but it is in the final stages.
How would democrats win elections without them? Even if it goes to 70/30, 20% of blacks is 3% of the vote, which would be a 6 point swing. And that is nationwide. The swing would be much higher in states like VA, NC, OH, PA, and FL.
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Ever - Ohio's demographics are actually such that a smaller percentage of Blacks are part of the population than nationwide - but not by much. It's 12.2% with 82.7% listed as Caucasians.
In Ohio, I think the Union leanings, particularly in the northern part of the state, play a bigger factor in elections than strictly the vote of blacks. In many national elections, the whole Northeast section of Ohio is blue along with the Toledo area while virtually the rest of the state is red. With that said, Ohio is definitely a swing state that can go either way nationally.
Interestingly, at the state level, Republicans dominate with at least a 60-40 margin in both houses.
Gotcha, I thought Ohio was blacker than that. Still significant enough that if 30% had voted for Romney, he probably would have won the state. It was a thin margin.
Maybe, maybe not - Romney lost by 3% in Ohio. It would have made it like Florida in 2000 though. We could have had a hanging chad situation................
