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HeartofDixie - Tunisia - any insight here?
Tunisian Voters Say No to Islamists | World Affairs Journal

http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/blog/...-islamists Wrote:Tunisia just held a parliamentary election and Ennahda, the sort-of-moderate-but-not-really Islamist party lost to the ardently secular Nidaa Tounes, which translates into Call of Tunisia.

Ennahda is the Tunisian Branch of the Muslim Brotherhood under another name, and it wears a more moderate face than the Egyptian branch. Tunisia is a genuinely moderate country and Ennahda’s leaders have no choice but to tone down their rhetoric and their platform if they want to seriously compete in elections.

I have seen the idea advanced that French Secularism along with the repression of Ben Ali created the conditions for which Ennahda was able to advance as an Islamist movement that was much more moderate (by necessity) than most other Muslim countries that found themselves with a free election (and would then inevitably vote in Islamists).
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RE: HeartofDixie - Tunisia - any insight here?
The best way I've ever thought of it is that Muslims in Tunisia are fairly conservative but they see Islam having a place in Tunisian politics much like the way Republicans here see Christianity as having an important role. It's quite similar.
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(10-28-2014 09:02 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The best way I've ever thought of it is that Muslims in Tunisia are fairly conservative but they see Islam having a place in Tunisian politics much like the way Republicans here see Christianity as having an important role. It's quite similar.

Ok. There are similarities, but they are also fundamentally different, especially in degree. I would consider Muslims here in the US prior to 2000 as part of the religious right, though.
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(10-28-2014 10:34 AM)I45owl Wrote:  
(10-28-2014 09:02 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The best way I've ever thought of it is that Muslims in Tunisia are fairly conservative but they see Islam having a place in Tunisian politics much like the way Republicans here see Christianity as having an important role. It's quite similar.

Ok. There are similarities, but they are also fundamentally different, especially in degree. I would consider Muslims here in the US prior to 2000 as part of the religious right, though.

I think the degree of difference most people perceive is thanks to the general difference in culture.

Abortion and gay marriage are our issues while there's are the hijab in public and rape laws.
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(10-28-2014 10:37 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(10-28-2014 10:34 AM)I45owl Wrote:  
(10-28-2014 09:02 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The best way I've ever thought of it is that Muslims in Tunisia are fairly conservative but they see Islam having a place in Tunisian politics much like the way Republicans here see Christianity as having an important role. It's quite similar.

Ok. There are similarities, but they are also fundamentally different, especially in degree. I would consider Muslims here in the US prior to 2000 as part of the religious right, though.

I think the degree of difference most people perceive is thanks to the general difference in culture.

Abortion and gay marriage are our issues while there's are the hijab in public and rape laws.

There is also a difference in the nature of the religions and the degree of tolerance to non-adherents, particularly those of non-Abrahamic religions or atheists. Islam has the cult-like aspect of insisting that apostates (those who are "no longer" Muslim) be killed, even though the more beneficent may choose to ignore what their dogma tells them in such cases.
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(10-28-2014 10:58 AM)I45owl Wrote:  
(10-28-2014 10:37 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(10-28-2014 10:34 AM)I45owl Wrote:  
(10-28-2014 09:02 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The best way I've ever thought of it is that Muslims in Tunisia are fairly conservative but they see Islam having a place in Tunisian politics much like the way Republicans here see Christianity as having an important role. It's quite similar.

Ok. There are similarities, but they are also fundamentally different, especially in degree. I would consider Muslims here in the US prior to 2000 as part of the religious right, though.

I think the degree of difference most people perceive is thanks to the general difference in culture.

Abortion and gay marriage are our issues while there's are the hijab in public and rape laws.

There is also a difference in the nature of the religions and the degree of tolerance to non-adherents, particularly those of non-Abrahamic religions or atheists. Islam has the cult-like aspect of insisting that apostates (those who are "no longer" Muslim) be killed, even though the more beneficent may choose to ignore what their dogma tells them in such cases.

I disagree in large part.
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I'm not surprised, but it's unlikely we would agree on that.
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(10-28-2014 12:01 PM)I45owl Wrote:  I'm not surprised, but it's unlikely we would agree on that.

And that is precisely why I left it at that.

It is fun when people take an interest in Tunisian politics.
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(10-28-2014 12:23 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(10-28-2014 12:01 PM)I45owl Wrote:  I'm not surprised, but it's unlikely we would agree on that.

And that is precisely why I left it at that.

I appreciate that... I was pretty sure that conversation would be a dead end.

(10-28-2014 12:23 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It is fun when people take an interest in Tunisian politics.

I'm currently reading (as I have time) Temptations of Power: Islamists and Illiberal Democracy in a New Middle East (9780199314058): Shadi Hamid. He seems to have done his homework in terms of talking to folks like Morsi and others in the region. Tunisia is one of the more interesting cases that he discusses, and he dedicates at least one chapter to Tunisia.
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RE: HeartofDixie - Tunisia - any insight here?
(10-28-2014 12:23 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(10-28-2014 12:01 PM)I45owl Wrote:  I'm not surprised, but it's unlikely we would agree on that.

And that is precisely why I left it at that.

It is fun when people take an interest in Tunisian politics.

Tunisian politics, 50 ways to weed a vegetable garden, and socio-cultural norms of southwest Uganda are all equally interesting. 03-wink
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(10-28-2014 03:03 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(10-28-2014 12:23 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(10-28-2014 12:01 PM)I45owl Wrote:  I'm not surprised, but it's unlikely we would agree on that.

And that is precisely why I left it at that.

It is fun when people take an interest in Tunisian politics.

Tunisian politics, 50 ways to weed a vegetable garden, and socio-cultural norms of southwest Uganda are all equally interesting. 03-wink

04-cheers

I can see that.
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Here is a pretty good video to put Tunisia into focus.

In my humble opinion, it's the best place to live on the Mediterranean with the possible exception of Italy.
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