Could it be the last trip to Harrisonburg? Will it be the first team to 40 that wins it? Is this a playoff elimination game to start November off right? All questions that provide a subplot to the rivalry. JMU is scoring in bunches, but appears to be unable to stop anybody. Will the referees continue to make very questionable calls in favor of the gold and purple? I still remember the inadvertent whistle from 2 years ago following a recovered onside kick by the Tribe or the offensive pass interference call on one of Tre's greatest catches, or the horrible calls from 2010 as the Tribe went down as the #1 ranked team. The last time the Tribe overcame the significant help was in 2004 on a last second Kuehn FG. Perhaps 10 years later, things will be in the Tribe's favor again.

How can we stop the JMU attack? Can JMU stop our running game? Who has the edge going into this big matchup?

I've got to think we will be favored even in Harrisonburg. Stop Vad Lee (not an easy task) and we stop the Dukes

I was very impressed by the Tribe running attack in the second half. Watching the recorded game on Direct TV today you have to be positive about the tremendous forward push of our very young offensive line (who played withouts starter Martinelli).

Combine that strength with the powerful running of Abdul-Saboor and we just dominated the half.

You also have to be impressed by the rapid development of Dedmon..this kid has unbelievable
speed and athleticism and is improving every week. Combine him with McBride on the field at the same time and we have a difficult pair to cover.

If we can do a job on Lee defensively this may be the day we win one at JMU.

JMU's defense seems pretty suspect. They gave up over 500 yards to a really mediocre Charlotte team last week. If our defense can step it up and control Vad Lee's running we win this one. His throws seem to get to the right place, but aren't very crisp, nor do they have much zip on them. If we can force him to throw, our secondary can then go to work.

(10-28-2014 08:46 AM)hktribefan Wrote:  JMU's defense seems pretty suspect. They gave up over 500 yards to a really mediocre Charlotte team last week. If our defense can step it up and control Vad Lee's running we win this one. His throws seem to get to the right place, but aren't very crisp, nor do they have much zip on them. If we can force him to throw, our secondary can then go to work.

While I agree that their D has been suspect, Charlotte is averaging almost 39 points per game (if you take out the Elon game the Niners are averaging about 41.5 in the other 7 games) and that JMU game went into OT. Charlotte is averaging over 500 yards of offense (504.5) per game this season, so that number isn't shocking. Anytime the defense is as bad as Charlotte's, the games are going to be shootouts.

HOWEVER, JMU's defense is really suspect, having only given up fewer than 20 points in one game (Towson only scored 7). They do play better at home, however, having only given up an average of about 17 in their 3 games in friendly confines.

Teams are evolving now and JMU is better than they were when they played Delaware. I'd take them hands down in a rematch. We need to take away their big plays, which has been a consistent problem for our D. I thought our secondary was better against UD, and will need to be this week. Above all we need to win in the trenches again.

I'm actually to the point where I may be more worried about JMU than UR with UR's star players out.

Charlotte's schedule is a joke. No way we should be comparing anything against them. Just like ODU, they are playing a lot of lower level (including D2) teams while they get their program started. They were horrible last year and getting better. Still not the caliber of CAA even though they will be BCS.

(10-28-2014 08:59 AM)TribeNiner Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 08:46 AM)hktribefan Wrote:  JMU's defense seems pretty suspect. They gave up over 500 yards to a really mediocre Charlotte team last week. If our defense can step it up and control Vad Lee's running we win this one. His throws seem to get to the right place, but aren't very crisp, nor do they have much zip on them. If we can force him to throw, our secondary can then go to work.

While I agree that their D has been suspect, Charlotte is averaging almost 39 points per game (if you take out the Elon game the Niners are averaging about 41.5 in the other 7 games) and that JMU game went into OT. Charlotte is averaging over 500 yards of offense (504.5) per game this season, so that number isn't shocking. Anytime the defense is as bad as Charlotte's, the games are going to be shootouts.

HOWEVER, JMU's defense is really suspect, having only given up fewer than 20 points in one game (Towson only scored 7). They do play better at home, however, having only given up an average of about 17 in their 3 games in friendly confines.

(10-28-2014 10:25 AM)Tribe32 Wrote:  Charlotte's schedule is a joke. No way we should be comparing anything against them. Just like ODU, they are playing a lot of lower level (including D2) teams while they get their program started. They were horrible last year and getting better. Still not the caliber of CAA even though they will be BCS.

(10-28-2014 08:59 AM)TribeNiner Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 08:46 AM)hktribefan Wrote:  JMU's defense seems pretty suspect. They gave up over 500 yards to a really mediocre Charlotte team last week. If our defense can step it up and control Vad Lee's running we win this one. His throws seem to get to the right place, but aren't very crisp, nor do they have much zip on them. If we can force him to throw, our secondary can then go to work.

While I agree that their D has been suspect, Charlotte is averaging almost 39 points per game (if you take out the Elon game the Niners are averaging about 41.5 in the other 7 games) and that JMU game went into OT. Charlotte is averaging over 500 yards of offense (504.5) per game this season, so that number isn't shocking. Anytime the defense is as bad as Charlotte's, the games are going to be shootouts.

HOWEVER, JMU's defense is really suspect, having only given up fewer than 20 points in one game (Towson only scored 7). They do play better at home, however, having only given up an average of about 17 in their 3 games in friendly confines.

I don't disagree with you- Charlotte is just not very good. The defense is awful. A lot of that has to do with their youth, a lot of it has to do with the fact that they are playing with a lower number of scholarship players because they redshirted almost the entire class, a lot of it has to do with injuries, and a lot of it has to do with trying to schedule as an independent (and scheduling before they knew they would be FBS and teams like VT dropping them after the announced move). They've only played one non-DI team so far (JCS) and have one more on the schedule (Wesley); however, they have played a few decent teams at the FCS level and lost almost all of them. The best win is certainly NC Central at 4-4, which isn't very good. However, when they take JMU to OT, you can't really say they aren't competing with a CAA team, because that's exactly what they did. They're getting better, will continue to get better, and have some talent that isn't playing. They tend to fade at the end of games because of how few scholarship players they have going. All of that is to say Charlotte will probably be fine in the long run, but will get curb-stomped for a few years.

This wasn't intended to be a thread about Charlotte, however. I was merely pointing out the fact that Charlotte has a fairly prolific offense, so the number they put on JMU's defense shouldn't necessarily be a knock against JMU.

(10-28-2014 10:41 AM)TribeNiner Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 10:25 AM)Tribe32 Wrote:  Charlotte's schedule is a joke. No way we should be comparing anything against them. Just like ODU, they are playing a lot of lower level (including D2) teams while they get their program started. They were horrible last year and getting better. Still not the caliber of CAA even though they will be BCS.

(10-28-2014 08:59 AM)TribeNiner Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 08:46 AM)hktribefan Wrote:  JMU's defense seems pretty suspect. They gave up over 500 yards to a really mediocre Charlotte team last week. If our defense can step it up and control Vad Lee's running we win this one. His throws seem to get to the right place, but aren't very crisp, nor do they have much zip on them. If we can force him to throw, our secondary can then go to work.

While I agree that their D has been suspect, Charlotte is averaging almost 39 points per game (if you take out the Elon game the Niners are averaging about 41.5 in the other 7 games) and that JMU game went into OT. Charlotte is averaging over 500 yards of offense (504.5) per game this season, so that number isn't shocking. Anytime the defense is as bad as Charlotte's, the games are going to be shootouts.

HOWEVER, JMU's defense is really suspect, having only given up fewer than 20 points in one game (Towson only scored 7). They do play better at home, however, having only given up an average of about 17 in their 3 games in friendly confines.

I don't disagree with you- Charlotte is just not very good. The defense is awful. A lot of that has to do with their youth, a lot of it has to do with the fact that they are playing with a lower number of scholarship players because they redshirted almost the entire class, a lot of it has to do with injuries, and a lot of it has to do with trying to schedule as an independent (and scheduling before they knew they would be FBS and teams like VT dropping them after the announced move). They've only played one non-DI team so far (JCS) and have one more on the schedule (Wesley); however, they have played a few decent teams at the FCS level and lost almost all of them. The best win is certainly NC Central at 4-4, which isn't very good. However, when they take JMU to OT, you can't really say they aren't competing with a CAA team, because that's exactly what they did. They're getting better, will continue to get better, and have some talent that isn't playing. They tend to fade at the end of games because of how few scholarship players they have going. All of that is to say Charlotte will probably be fine in the long run, but will get curb-stomped for a few years.

This wasn't intended to be a thread about Charlotte, however. I was merely pointing out the fact that Charlotte has a fairly prolific offense, so the number they put on JMU's defense shouldn't necessarily be a knock against JMU.

Hate for facts to get in the way of a good story, but they did NOT take JMU to overtime. JMU was never really "threatened " in the Charlotte game, with Charlotte managing to get within a Score once or twice in the game but never led. JMU was up by 15 points with just a little over 3 minutes left in the game I believe and went in to the infamous Prevent D to give up some late game garbage points to make this one seem closer than it was. ... aside from that .. carry on.

(10-28-2014 10:48 AM)jmufbs Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 10:41 AM)TribeNiner Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 10:25 AM)Tribe32 Wrote:  Charlotte's schedule is a joke. No way we should be comparing anything against them. Just like ODU, they are playing a lot of lower level (including D2) teams while they get their program started. They were horrible last year and getting better. Still not the caliber of CAA even though they will be BCS.

(10-28-2014 08:59 AM)TribeNiner Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 08:46 AM)hktribefan Wrote:  JMU's defense seems pretty suspect. They gave up over 500 yards to a really mediocre Charlotte team last week. If our defense can step it up and control Vad Lee's running we win this one. His throws seem to get to the right place, but aren't very crisp, nor do they have much zip on them. If we can force him to throw, our secondary can then go to work.

While I agree that their D has been suspect, Charlotte is averaging almost 39 points per game (if you take out the Elon game the Niners are averaging about 41.5 in the other 7 games) and that JMU game went into OT. Charlotte is averaging over 500 yards of offense (504.5) per game this season, so that number isn't shocking. Anytime the defense is as bad as Charlotte's, the games are going to be shootouts.

HOWEVER, JMU's defense is really suspect, having only given up fewer than 20 points in one game (Towson only scored 7). They do play better at home, however, having only given up an average of about 17 in their 3 games in friendly confines.

I don't disagree with you- Charlotte is just not very good. The defense is awful. A lot of that has to do with their youth, a lot of it has to do with the fact that they are playing with a lower number of scholarship players because they redshirted almost the entire class, a lot of it has to do with injuries, and a lot of it has to do with trying to schedule as an independent (and scheduling before they knew they would be FBS and teams like VT dropping them after the announced move). They've only played one non-DI team so far (JCS) and have one more on the schedule (Wesley); however, they have played a few decent teams at the FCS level and lost almost all of them. The best win is certainly NC Central at 4-4, which isn't very good. However, when they take JMU to OT, you can't really say they aren't competing with a CAA team, because that's exactly what they did. They're getting better, will continue to get better, and have some talent that isn't playing. They tend to fade at the end of games because of how few scholarship players they have going. All of that is to say Charlotte will probably be fine in the long run, but will get curb-stomped for a few years.

This wasn't intended to be a thread about Charlotte, however. I was merely pointing out the fact that Charlotte has a fairly prolific offense, so the number they put on JMU's defense shouldn't necessarily be a knock against JMU.

Hate for facts to get in the way of a good story, but they did NOT take JMU to overtime. JMU was never really "threatened " in the Charlotte game, with Charlotte managing to get within a Score once or twice in the game but never led. JMU was up by 15 points with just a little over 3 minutes left in the game I believe and went in to the infamous Prevent D to give up some late game garbage points to make this one seem closer than it was. ... aside from that .. carry on.

I apologize, it was the Citadel game that went into 2OT the week before. However, your beef is not with me as I was defending your defense (no pun intended).

To set the record straight, Charlotte only managed to get within one score twice and the game wasn't really in doubt when JMU put that last TD on the board- I was at the W&M game so I could only follow on my phone.

The point was that Charlotte is not very good, but they have a good offense and a terrible defense, which creates a high-scoring/high-yardage game as much as anything and you can't automatically knock JMU for that.

Not sure why that's so tough to understand.

(10-28-2014 10:58 AM)TribeNiner Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 10:48 AM)jmufbs Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 10:41 AM)TribeNiner Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 10:25 AM)Tribe32 Wrote:  Charlotte's schedule is a joke. No way we should be comparing anything against them. Just like ODU, they are playing a lot of lower level (including D2) teams while they get their program started. They were horrible last year and getting better. Still not the caliber of CAA even though they will be BCS.

(10-28-2014 08:59 AM)TribeNiner Wrote:  While I agree that their D has been suspect, Charlotte is averaging almost 39 points per game (if you take out the Elon game the Niners are averaging about 41.5 in the other 7 games) and that JMU game went into OT. Charlotte is averaging over 500 yards of offense (504.5) per game this season, so that number isn't shocking. Anytime the defense is as bad as Charlotte's, the games are going to be shootouts.

HOWEVER, JMU's defense is really suspect, having only given up fewer than 20 points in one game (Towson only scored 7). They do play better at home, however, having only given up an average of about 17 in their 3 games in friendly confines.

I don't disagree with you- Charlotte is just not very good. The defense is awful. A lot of that has to do with their youth, a lot of it has to do with the fact that they are playing with a lower number of scholarship players because they redshirted almost the entire class, a lot of it has to do with injuries, and a lot of it has to do with trying to schedule as an independent (and scheduling before they knew they would be FBS and teams like VT dropping them after the announced move). They've only played one non-DI team so far (JCS) and have one more on the schedule (Wesley); however, they have played a few decent teams at the FCS level and lost almost all of them. The best win is certainly NC Central at 4-4, which isn't very good. However, when they take JMU to OT, you can't really say they aren't competing with a CAA team, because that's exactly what they did. They're getting better, will continue to get better, and have some talent that isn't playing. They tend to fade at the end of games because of how few scholarship players they have going. All of that is to say Charlotte will probably be fine in the long run, but will get curb-stomped for a few years.

This wasn't intended to be a thread about Charlotte, however. I was merely pointing out the fact that Charlotte has a fairly prolific offense, so the number they put on JMU's defense shouldn't necessarily be a knock against JMU.

Hate for facts to get in the way of a good story, but they did NOT take JMU to overtime. JMU was never really "threatened " in the Charlotte game, with Charlotte managing to get within a Score once or twice in the game but never led. JMU was up by 15 points with just a little over 3 minutes left in the game I believe and went in to the infamous Prevent D to give up some late game garbage points to make this one seem closer than it was. ... aside from that .. carry on.

I apologize, it was the Citadel game that went into 2OT the week before. However, your beef is not with me as I was defending your defense (no pun intended).

To set the record straight, Charlotte only managed to get within one score twice and the game wasn't really in doubt when JMU put that last TD on the board- I was at the W&M game so I could only follow on my phone.

The point was that Charlotte is not very good, but they have a good offense and a terrible defense, which creates a high-scoring/high-yardage game as much as anything and you can't automatically knock JMU for that.

Not sure why that's so tough to understand.

Point taken
Thanks for clarifying
Coming up for the game Saturday ?

(10-28-2014 11:42 AM)jmufbs Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 10:58 AM)TribeNiner Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 10:48 AM)jmufbs Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 10:41 AM)TribeNiner Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 10:25 AM)Tribe32 Wrote:  Charlotte's schedule is a joke. No way we should be comparing anything against them. Just like ODU, they are playing a lot of lower level (including D2) teams while they get their program started. They were horrible last year and getting better. Still not the caliber of CAA even though they will be BCS.

I don't disagree with you- Charlotte is just not very good. The defense is awful. A lot of that has to do with their youth, a lot of it has to do with the fact that they are playing with a lower number of scholarship players because they redshirted almost the entire class, a lot of it has to do with injuries, and a lot of it has to do with trying to schedule as an independent (and scheduling before they knew they would be FBS and teams like VT dropping them after the announced move). They've only played one non-DI team so far (JCS) and have one more on the schedule (Wesley); however, they have played a few decent teams at the FCS level and lost almost all of them. The best win is certainly NC Central at 4-4, which isn't very good. However, when they take JMU to OT, you can't really say they aren't competing with a CAA team, because that's exactly what they did. They're getting better, will continue to get better, and have some talent that isn't playing. They tend to fade at the end of games because of how few scholarship players they have going. All of that is to say Charlotte will probably be fine in the long run, but will get curb-stomped for a few years.

This wasn't intended to be a thread about Charlotte, however. I was merely pointing out the fact that Charlotte has a fairly prolific offense, so the number they put on JMU's defense shouldn't necessarily be a knock against JMU.

Hate for facts to get in the way of a good story, but they did NOT take JMU to overtime. JMU was never really "threatened " in the Charlotte game, with Charlotte managing to get within a Score once or twice in the game but never led. JMU was up by 15 points with just a little over 3 minutes left in the game I believe and went in to the infamous Prevent D to give up some late game garbage points to make this one seem closer than it was. ... aside from that .. carry on.

I apologize, it was the Citadel game that went into 2OT the week before. However, your beef is not with me as I was defending your defense (no pun intended).

To set the record straight, Charlotte only managed to get within one score twice and the game wasn't really in doubt when JMU put that last TD on the board- I was at the W&M game so I could only follow on my phone.

The point was that Charlotte is not very good, but they have a good offense and a terrible defense, which creates a high-scoring/high-yardage game as much as anything and you can't automatically knock JMU for that.

Not sure why that's so tough to understand.

Point taken
Thanks for clarifying
Coming up for the game Saturday ?

Wanted to, but my wife's sister is due late this week and I've been informed that I am to attend the birthing event if I intend to continue enjoying my marriage. Basically, any and all plans I could have are on hold until that time.

Could be interesting this weekend, with the Halloween Night cold front coming through. Forecast is for 60% chance of freezing rain or snow showers and a high in the low 40's in Harrisonburg on Saturday.

Just block well on punts. If we lose another game to JMU because of a blocked punt, I'll scream.

#RisingTribe

(10-28-2014 11:54 AM)tribelifer Wrote:  Could be interesting this weekend, with the Halloween Night cold front coming through. Forecast is for 60% chance of freezing rain or snow showers and a high in the low 40's in Harrisonburg on Saturday.

Sounds like a lot of running and a lot of turnovers. Let's hope Abdul-Saboor has another big game.

Tribal really bringing it on the JMU board! Not quite as good as the Sun Belt Expansion posts from September, but well done nevertheless.

I wish I could be confident going up there. However, I think visiting teams have to be vastly superior to win up there. The refs, the crowd, and a few bad bounces all seem to work against teams up there. Many times in the last 10 years the Dukes have squeaked out wins at home without playing well. This year, aside from the destruction of Towson, they look good offensively and terrible defensively. If we were bringing the 2013 defense, I'd be confident. I haven't seen anything close to that defense this year. However, if there is any karma, given Carpenter's recent acts and the pain of all the missed kicks by Kuehn in 2012, Carp will hit the game winner this week.

Will be interested to hear from Coach tonight, although he rarely gives anything away. Let's hope we can get some of the injured guys(especially on the O-Line back). The lack of pass protection against Delaware was troubling, but the line generally has done much better the last 2 weeks.

Who remembers another November game in Harrisonburg?

http://articles.dailypress.com/2004-11-1...ribe-dukes

Doesn't seem like JMU's run D is anything special. MAS controls the game by chewing clock, and Cluley is efficient enough so our offense isn't 1 dimensional.

WM - 27

JMU - 17

(10-28-2014 05:11 PM)tribe_pride Wrote:  Who remembers another November game in Harrisonburg?

http://articles.dailypress.com/2004-11-1...ribe-dukes

I was there. One of the best games I have ever personally witnessed. Probably right up there with the post-Thanksgiving Villanova/Tribe game in Williamsburg.