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RE: ACC Bowl prospects
(11-10-2014 05:18 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Notre Dame isn't making one of the top bowls now.

New Goal: get a B1G team into the Orange Bowl so the ACC gets their Citrus Bowl slot.

If you're Clemson, would you rather play Mich State in the OB or an SEC team...........
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(11-10-2014 08:10 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(11-10-2014 05:18 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Notre Dame isn't making one of the top bowls now.

New Goal: get a B1G team into the Orange Bowl so the ACC gets their Citrus Bowl slot.

If you're Clemson, would you rather play Mich State in the OB or an SEC team...........

or, if Duke somehow jumps Clemson for the Orange Bowl slot, would you rather play in the Russell Athletic Bowl against a Big XII team (w/ Notre Dame in the Citrus) or fall to the Sun Bowl to play a Pac-12 team (w/ Notre Dame in the Russell)?

Let the "parasite" whining begin...
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I agree with the below statement and would add that the Russell & Gator Bowl & Capitol One (on select years) to the statement! Obviously with ND out of New York Six we might not get to Russell or Gator!

"Actually the Music City and Belk are fan favorites if GT can't make a big bowl. Both are easy drives. And based on informal polling from the fans, both would have the largest contingents of Tech fans."
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(11-09-2014 11:38 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(11-09-2014 07:55 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  With their loss to Arizona State the parasites will be leaching a bowl bid away from us, most likely the Russell Athletic.

At this point, root for them to lose another game or two. Maybe they steal the pinstripe from some garbage northern team.

It seems pretty funny to see talk about ND "leaching" or "stealing" a bowl.

Are they storming the bowl committee offices with shotguns and AR-15's and with masks on their faces?

Or was this an arms length negotiation and agreement between parties of equal bargaining power and high priced lawyers?

The correct term is that ND may contractually earn an ACC bowl bid as contemplated and agreed to by all concerned.
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Nah...it's leaching.

As for Clemson agreeing to be part and parcel of the rape of our conference you have to remember that at the time we had weak leadership both in the president's office and AD's office. President Barker hated athletics to begin with, so it wouldn't be too much of a shock if he worked to bring in Notre Dame because it would hurt us athletically.

Of course I would like to point out the fact that Barker is retired and doesn't have to deal with the ramifications of this one sided deal.
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(11-10-2014 12:04 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Nah...it's leaching.

As for Clemson agreeing to be part and parcel of the rape of our conference you have to remember that at the time we had weak leadership both in the president's office and AD's office. President Barker hated athletics to begin with, so it wouldn't be too much of a shock if he worked to bring in Notre Dame because it would hurt us athletically.

Of course I would like to point out the fact that Barker is retired and doesn't have to deal with the ramifications of this one sided deal.

That is a real sad story. I feel bad for you guys being betrayed by your own leaders like that.

If Clemson is so upset with a deal it agreed to and which possibly saved its conference from being picked apart, it ought to try to go Indy with its own TV deal or ditch the ACC for some other conference??
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(11-10-2014 01:23 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(11-10-2014 12:04 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Nah...it's leaching.

As for Clemson agreeing to be part and parcel of the rape of our conference you have to remember that at the time we had weak leadership both in the president's office and AD's office. President Barker hated athletics to begin with, so it wouldn't be too much of a shock if he worked to bring in Notre Dame because it would hurt us athletically.

Of course I would like to point out the fact that Barker is retired and doesn't have to deal with the ramifications of this one sided deal.

That is a real sad story. I feel bad for you guys being betrayed by your own leaders like that.

If Clemson is so upset with a deal it agreed to and which possibly saved its conference from being picked apart, it ought to try to go Indy with its own TV deal or ditch the ACC for some other conference??

That's a great idea, Terry. Maybe we could arrange a trade with the SEC for Tennessee. 05-stirthepot
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(11-10-2014 11:33 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(11-09-2014 11:38 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(11-09-2014 07:55 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  With their loss to Arizona State the parasites will be leaching a bowl bid away from us, most likely the Russell Athletic.

At this point, root for them to lose another game or two. Maybe they steal the pinstripe from some garbage northern team.

It seems pretty funny to see talk about ND "leaching" or "stealing" a bowl.

Are they storming the bowl committee offices with shotguns and AR-15's and with masks on their faces?

Or was this an arms length negotiation and agreement between parties of equal bargaining power and high priced lawyers?

The correct term is that ND may contractually earn an ACC bowl bid as contemplated and agreed to by all concerned.

This.

But it looks like Golson may want to help Holliman break the NCAA record for INT's in 2 weeks04-cheers
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(11-10-2014 01:23 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(11-10-2014 12:04 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Nah...it's leaching.

As for Clemson agreeing to be part and parcel of the rape of our conference you have to remember that at the time we had weak leadership both in the president's office and AD's office. President Barker hated athletics to begin with, so it wouldn't be too much of a shock if he worked to bring in Notre Dame because it would hurt us athletically.

Of course I would like to point out the fact that Barker is retired and doesn't have to deal with the ramifications of this one sided deal.

That is a real sad story. I feel bad for you guys being betrayed by your own leaders like that.

If Clemson is so upset with a deal it agreed to and which possibly saved its conference from being picked apart, it ought to try to go Indy with its own TV deal or ditch the ACC for some other conference??

Or maybe since you seem to cherish Irish football independence so much you should lead the efforts for EVERYTHING concerning your overrated football program be independent. You know, like negotiating your own bowl deals. Surely such an independence die-hard such as yourself must bristle at the fact that the mighty Irish can't secure bowl agreements without working with a conference.
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(11-10-2014 01:43 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(11-10-2014 01:23 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(11-10-2014 12:04 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Nah...it's leaching.

As for Clemson agreeing to be part and parcel of the rape of our conference you have to remember that at the time we had weak leadership both in the president's office and AD's office. President Barker hated athletics to begin with, so it wouldn't be too much of a shock if he worked to bring in Notre Dame because it would hurt us athletically.

Of course I would like to point out the fact that Barker is retired and doesn't have to deal with the ramifications of this one sided deal.

That is a real sad story. I feel bad for you guys being betrayed by your own leaders like that.

If Clemson is so upset with a deal it agreed to and which possibly saved its conference from being picked apart, it ought to try to go Indy with its own TV deal or ditch the ACC for some other conference??

That's a great idea, Terry. Maybe we could arrange a trade with the SEC for Tennessee. 05-stirthepot

Sign me up. Today if possible.

We could play the only football school in NC, ECU, for recruiting exposure. I feel sure they'll bring more fans to the Valley than what comes from Tobacco Road. Between the SEC teams and ECU we would break total attendance records the first year, we wouldn't have to wory about traveling every year to the recruiting wastelands of NY and Mass, and we wouldn't have to deal with a program arrogant enough to say "Your conference isn't worthy enough to join, but we will be more than happy to steal one of your bowl bids."

Make it happen.
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(11-10-2014 08:10 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(11-10-2014 05:18 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Notre Dame isn't making one of the top bowls now.

New Goal: get a B1G team into the Orange Bowl so the ACC gets their Citrus Bowl slot.

If you're Clemson, would you rather play Mich State in the OB or an SEC team...........

An SEC team because of recruiting, but either one is fine.
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(11-10-2014 04:11 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(11-10-2014 01:23 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(11-10-2014 12:04 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Nah...it's leaching.

As for Clemson agreeing to be part and parcel of the rape of our conference you have to remember that at the time we had weak leadership both in the president's office and AD's office. President Barker hated athletics to begin with, so it wouldn't be too much of a shock if he worked to bring in Notre Dame because it would hurt us athletically.

Of course I would like to point out the fact that Barker is retired and doesn't have to deal with the ramifications of this one sided deal.

That is a real sad story. I feel bad for you guys being betrayed by your own leaders like that.

If Clemson is so upset with a deal it agreed to and which possibly saved its conference from being picked apart, it ought to try to go Indy with its own TV deal or ditch the ACC for some other conference??

Or maybe since you seem to cherish Irish football independence so much you should lead the efforts for EVERYTHING concerning your overrated football program be independent. You know, like negotiating your own bowl deals. Surely such an independence die-hard such as yourself must bristle at the fact that the mighty Irish can't secure bowl agreements without working with a conference.




I do. I don't like that the "lets band together because we can't do anything on our own" conference schools locked up all the bowls since the Alliance/BCS days.

Yes, I liked it better when ND was independent in football and basketball.

I just don't ***** about it every five minutes.


P.S.

By "overrated", I guess that you mean 7-2 ND being ranked ahead of 7-2 Clemson.

That big win over South Carolina State must not have been enough to get Clemson ranked higher. Maybe a big win over Georgia State in two weeks will do the trick.

Ex-ND assistant Trent Miles (of the Ty Willingham coaching tree) is their head coach. Good luck.



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Clemson's record since 2010-----45-17

ND's record since 2010-----------44-17


Last Clemson national championship---1981

Last ND national championship----------1988


You can shove that "overrated" bull$hit. Coming from a Clemson fan, that is the proverbial pot calling the kettle black.
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(11-10-2014 05:13 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(11-10-2014 04:11 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(11-10-2014 01:23 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(11-10-2014 12:04 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Nah...it's leaching.

As for Clemson agreeing to be part and parcel of the rape of our conference you have to remember that at the time we had weak leadership both in the president's office and AD's office. President Barker hated athletics to begin with, so it wouldn't be too much of a shock if he worked to bring in Notre Dame because it would hurt us athletically.

Of course I would like to point out the fact that Barker is retired and doesn't have to deal with the ramifications of this one sided deal.

That is a real sad story. I feel bad for you guys being betrayed by your own leaders like that.

If Clemson is so upset with a deal it agreed to and which possibly saved its conference from being picked apart, it ought to try to go Indy with its own TV deal or ditch the ACC for some other conference??

Or maybe since you seem to cherish Irish football independence so much you should lead the efforts for EVERYTHING concerning your overrated football program be independent. You know, like negotiating your own bowl deals. Surely such an independence die-hard such as yourself must bristle at the fact that the mighty Irish can't secure bowl agreements without working with a conference.




I do. I don't like that the "lets band together because we can't do anything on our own" conference schools locked up all the bowls since the Alliance/BCS days.

Yes, I liked it better when ND was independent in football and basketball.

I just don't ***** about it every five minutes.


P.S. By "overranked", I guess that you mean 7-2 ND ranked ahead of 7-2 Clemson.

That big win over South Carolina State must not have been enough to get Clemson ranked higher. Maybe a big win over Georgia State in two weeks will do the trick.

Ex-ND assistant Trent Miles (of the Ty Willingham coaching tree) is their head coach. Good luck.



P.P.S. Clemson's record since 2010-----45-17

ND's record since 2010-----------44-17


Last Clemson national championship---1981

Last ND national championship----------1988


You can shove that "overrated" bull$hit. Coming from a Clemson fan, that is the proverbial pot calling the kettle black.

Well, Terry, to be fair to Clemson their record would surely have been much better if John Swofford and the ACC officials hadn't blatantly conspired to steal wins from the Tigers. We all know how everybody is out to get them. And, of course, this is all the fault of the North Carolina teams who have been preoccupied for years with keeping Clemson down. Does that about cover it?
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RE: ACC Bowl prospects
(11-10-2014 05:13 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(11-10-2014 04:11 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(11-10-2014 01:23 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(11-10-2014 12:04 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Nah...it's leaching.

As for Clemson agreeing to be part and parcel of the rape of our conference you have to remember that at the time we had weak leadership both in the president's office and AD's office. President Barker hated athletics to begin with, so it wouldn't be too much of a shock if he worked to bring in Notre Dame because it would hurt us athletically.

Of course I would like to point out the fact that Barker is retired and doesn't have to deal with the ramifications of this one sided deal.

That is a real sad story. I feel bad for you guys being betrayed by your own leaders like that.

If Clemson is so upset with a deal it agreed to and which possibly saved its conference from being picked apart, it ought to try to go Indy with its own TV deal or ditch the ACC for some other conference??

Or maybe since you seem to cherish Irish football independence so much you should lead the efforts for EVERYTHING concerning your overrated football program be independent. You know, like negotiating your own bowl deals. Surely such an independence die-hard such as yourself must bristle at the fact that the mighty Irish can't secure bowl agreements without working with a conference.




I do. I don't like that the "lets band together because we can't do anything on our own" conference schools locked up all the bowls since the Alliance/BCS days.

Yes, I liked it better when ND was independent in football and basketball.

I just don't ***** about it every five minutes.


P.S.

By "overrated", I guess that you mean 7-2 ND being ranked ahead of 7-2 Clemson.

That big win over South Carolina State must not have been enough to get Clemson ranked higher. Maybe a big win over Georgia State in two weeks will do the trick.

Ex-ND assistant Trent Miles (of the Ty Willingham coaching tree) is their head coach. Good luck.



P.P.S.

Clemson's record since 2010-----45-17

ND's record since 2010-----------44-17


Last Clemson national championship---1981

Last ND national championship----------1988


You can shove that "overrated" bull$hit. Coming from a Clemson fan, that is the proverbial pot calling the kettle black.

Notre Dame the 6th most overrated team in college football since 1989.
http://preseason.stassen.com/over-under/all-teams.html
Thirteen out of twenty-five seasons they finished lower than they were ranked in the preseason with a total score of negative 78 1/2

To be fair, Clemson is 10th with a score of negative 50. Two years account for close to 3/4 of our points, 2008 and 1992. Both years resulted in coaching changes. Bowden was fired in 2008, and Ken Hatfield quit in 1993 after being told he wasn't getting a contract extension.

Pot calling the kettle black indeed.
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1 2014 ACC 7 2 0 .778 11.01 3.23 16 16 Dabo Swinney (7-2)
2 2013 ACC 11 2 0 .846 14.98 3.06 8 3 8 Dabo Swinney (11-2) Orange Bowl-W
3 2012 ACC 11 2 0 .846 14.75 1.14 14 10 11 Dabo Swinney (11-2) Chick-fil-A Bowl-W
4 2011 ACC 10 4 0 .714 6.54 1.18 6 22 Dabo Swinney (10-4) Orange Bowl-L
5 2010 ACC 6 7 0 .462 7.35 3.74 Dabo Swinney (6-7) Meineke Car Care Bowl-L
6 2009 ACC 9 5 0 .643 11.73 4.01 15 24 Dabo Swinney (9-5) Music City Bowl-W
7 2008 ACC 7 6 0 .538 6.97 2.51 9 9 Tommy Bowden (3-3)
Dabo Swinney (4-3) Gator Bowl-L
8 2007 ACC 9 4 0 .692 11.40 1.71 13 21 Tommy Bowden (9-4) Chick-fil-A Bowl-L
9 2006 ACC 8 5 0 .615 8.19 0.65 18 10 Tommy Bowden (8-5) Music City Bowl-L
10 2005 ACC 8 4 0 .667 11.09 3.42 20 21 Tommy Bowden (8-4) Champs Sports Bowl-W
11 2004 ACC 6 5 0 .545 5.23 5.23 15 15 Tommy Bowden (6-5)
12 2003 ACC 9 4 0 .692 10.49 4.26 22 22 Tommy Bowden (9-4) Peach Bowl-W
13 2002 ACC 7 6 0 .538 4.16 4.23 Tommy Bowden (7-6) Tangerine Bowl II-L
14 2001 ACC 7 5 0 .583 4.34 1.59 19 13 Tommy Bowden (7-5) Humanitarian Bowl-W
15 2000 ACC 9 3 0 .750 11.54 2.04 17 5 16 Tommy Bowden (9-3) Gator Bowl-L
16 1999 ACC 6 6 0 .500 7.55 5.30 Tommy Bowden (6-6) Peach Bowl-L
17 1998 ACC 3 8 0 .273 -1.95 1.42 Tommy West (3-8)
18 1997 ACC 7 5 0 .583 8.41 3.33 20 16 Tommy West (7-5) Peach Bowl-L
19 1996 ACC 7 5 0 .583 2.90 1.24 25 22 Tommy West (7-5) Peach Bowl-L
20 1995 ACC 8 4 0 .667 6.09 -0.07 23 Tommy West (8-4) Gator Bowl-L


Clemson record the past twenty years-------155-92




1 2014 Ind 7 2 0 .778 12.42 4.31 17 5 Brian Kelly (7-2)
2 2013 Ind 9 4 0 .692 9.50 4.50 14 14 20 Brian Kelly (9-4) Pinstripe Bowl-W
3 2012 Ind 12 1 0 .923 16.98 6.14 1 4 Brian Kelly (12-1) BCS Championship-L
4 2011 Ind 8 5 0 .615 11.06 4.44 16 16 Brian Kelly (8-5) Champs Sports Bowl-L
5 2010 Ind 8 5 0 .615 10.35 5.04 Brian Kelly (8-5) Sun Bowl-W
6 2009 Ind 6 6 0 .500 6.49 3.65 23 18 Charlie Weis (6-6)
7 2008 Ind 7 6 0 .538 2.99 0.91 Charlie Weis (7-6) Hawaii Bowl-W
8 2007 Ind 3 9 0 .250 -5.03 4.89 Charlie Weis (3-9)
9 2006 Ind 10 3 0 .769 11.32 3.56 2 2 17 Charlie Weis (10-3) Sugar Bowl-L
10 2005 Ind 9 3 0 .750 17.46 6.13 5 9 Charlie Weis (9-3) Fiesta Bowl-L
11 2004 Ind 6 6 0 .500 6.22 7.39 24 Tyrone Willingham (6-5)
Kent Baer (0-1) Insight Bowl-L
12 2003 Ind 5 7 0 .417 3.12 8.04 20 15 Tyrone Willingham (5-7)
13 2002 Ind 10 3 0 .769 10.89 5.51 4 17 Tyrone Willingham (10-3) Gator Bowl-L
14 2001 Ind 5 6 0 .455 6.00 6.55 18 17 Bob Davie (5-6)
15 2000 Ind 9 3 0 .750 12.45 5.12 10 15 Bob Davie (9-3) Fiesta Bowl-L
16 1999 Ind 5 7 0 .417 6.59 6.84 18 16 Bob Davie (5-7)
17 1998 Ind 9 3 0 .750 11.16 3.66 22 9 22 Bob Davie (9-3) Gator Bowl-L
18 1997 Ind 7 6 0 .538 6.62 5.31 11 11 Bob Davie (7-6) Independence Bowl-L
19 1996 Ind 8 3 0 .727 16.07 4.16 6 5 19 Lou Holtz (8-3)
20 1995 Ind 9 3 0 .750 17.70 8.28 9 6 11 Lou Holtz (9-3) Orange Bowl-L


Notre Dame record the past twenty years--------152-91


(worst twenty year stretch ever for ND, right??).


http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div..._index.php


Not much of a difference there. Not for the past five years nor for the past twenty. If we go prior to that, it is no contest in favor of ND.

No FCS games/wins ever for ND to pad its win total. I wonder who has had the better strength of schedule the past twenty years?

You've got nothing to talk about, Kap.

I bow to mighty Clemson as a fan of the "overrated" Irish......Take care.
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(11-10-2014 08:45 PM)TerryD Wrote:  1 2014 ACC 7 2 0 .778 11.01 3.23 16 16 Dabo Swinney (7-2)
2 2013 ACC 11 2 0 .846 14.98 3.06 8 3 8 Dabo Swinney (11-2) Orange Bowl-W
3 2012 ACC 11 2 0 .846 14.75 1.14 14 10 11 Dabo Swinney (11-2) Chick-fil-A Bowl-W
4 2011 ACC 10 4 0 .714 6.54 1.18 6 22 Dabo Swinney (10-4) Orange Bowl-L
5 2010 ACC 6 7 0 .462 7.35 3.74 Dabo Swinney (6-7) Meineke Car Care Bowl-L
6 2009 ACC 9 5 0 .643 11.73 4.01 15 24 Dabo Swinney (9-5) Music City Bowl-W
7 2008 ACC 7 6 0 .538 6.97 2.51 9 9 Tommy Bowden (3-3)
Dabo Swinney (4-3) Gator Bowl-L
8 2007 ACC 9 4 0 .692 11.40 1.71 13 21 Tommy Bowden (9-4) Chick-fil-A Bowl-L
9 2006 ACC 8 5 0 .615 8.19 0.65 18 10 Tommy Bowden (8-5) Music City Bowl-L
10 2005 ACC 8 4 0 .667 11.09 3.42 20 21 Tommy Bowden (8-4) Champs Sports Bowl-W
11 2004 ACC 6 5 0 .545 5.23 5.23 15 15 Tommy Bowden (6-5)
12 2003 ACC 9 4 0 .692 10.49 4.26 22 22 Tommy Bowden (9-4) Peach Bowl-W
13 2002 ACC 7 6 0 .538 4.16 4.23 Tommy Bowden (7-6) Tangerine Bowl II-L
14 2001 ACC 7 5 0 .583 4.34 1.59 19 13 Tommy Bowden (7-5) Humanitarian Bowl-W
15 2000 ACC 9 3 0 .750 11.54 2.04 17 5 16 Tommy Bowden (9-3) Gator Bowl-L
16 1999 ACC 6 6 0 .500 7.55 5.30 Tommy Bowden (6-6) Peach Bowl-L
17 1998 ACC 3 8 0 .273 -1.95 1.42 Tommy West (3-8)
18 1997 ACC 7 5 0 .583 8.41 3.33 20 16 Tommy West (7-5) Peach Bowl-L
19 1996 ACC 7 5 0 .583 2.90 1.24 25 22 Tommy West (7-5) Peach Bowl-L
20 1995 ACC 8 4 0 .667 6.09 -0.07 23 Tommy West (8-4) Gator Bowl-L


Clemson record the past twenty years-------155-92




1 2014 Ind 7 2 0 .778 12.42 4.31 17 5 Brian Kelly (7-2)
2 2013 Ind 9 4 0 .692 9.50 4.50 14 14 20 Brian Kelly (9-4) Pinstripe Bowl-W
3 2012 Ind 12 1 0 .923 16.98 6.14 1 4 Brian Kelly (12-1) BCS Championship-L
4 2011 Ind 8 5 0 .615 11.06 4.44 16 16 Brian Kelly (8-5) Champs Sports Bowl-L
5 2010 Ind 8 5 0 .615 10.35 5.04 Brian Kelly (8-5) Sun Bowl-W
6 2009 Ind 6 6 0 .500 6.49 3.65 23 18 Charlie Weis (6-6)
7 2008 Ind 7 6 0 .538 2.99 0.91 Charlie Weis (7-6) Hawaii Bowl-W
8 2007 Ind 3 9 0 .250 -5.03 4.89 Charlie Weis (3-9)
9 2006 Ind 10 3 0 .769 11.32 3.56 2 2 17 Charlie Weis (10-3) Sugar Bowl-L
10 2005 Ind 9 3 0 .750 17.46 6.13 5 9 Charlie Weis (9-3) Fiesta Bowl-L
11 2004 Ind 6 6 0 .500 6.22 7.39 24 Tyrone Willingham (6-5)
Kent Baer (0-1) Insight Bowl-L
12 2003 Ind 5 7 0 .417 3.12 8.04 20 15 Tyrone Willingham (5-7)
13 2002 Ind 10 3 0 .769 10.89 5.51 4 17 Tyrone Willingham (10-3) Gator Bowl-L
14 2001 Ind 5 6 0 .455 6.00 6.55 18 17 Bob Davie (5-6)
15 2000 Ind 9 3 0 .750 12.45 5.12 10 15 Bob Davie (9-3) Fiesta Bowl-L
16 1999 Ind 5 7 0 .417 6.59 6.84 18 16 Bob Davie (5-7)
17 1998 Ind 9 3 0 .750 11.16 3.66 22 9 22 Bob Davie (9-3) Gator Bowl-L
18 1997 Ind 7 6 0 .538 6.62 5.31 11 11 Bob Davie (7-6) Independence Bowl-L
19 1996 Ind 8 3 0 .727 16.07 4.16 6 5 19 Lou Holtz (8-3)
20 1995 Ind 9 3 0 .750 17.70 8.28 9 6 11 Lou Holtz (9-3) Orange Bowl-L


Notre Dame record the past twenty years--------152-91


(worst twenty year stretch ever for ND, right??).


http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div..._index.php


Not much of a difference there, Kap.

No FCS games/wins ever for ND to pad its win total. I wonder who has had the better strength of schedule the past twenty years?

I bow to mighty Clemson as a fan of the "overrated" Irish......Take care.

Surely there has to be a difference. I mean Notre Dame is the end all, be all in college football. We wouldn't have college football if it weren't for Notre Dame creating it way back when.

No way that the all powerful, all mighty Notre Dame....the very essence of college football according to what I have heard my entire life....could be anywhere near the level of a small former military school in the Upstate of SC.
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(11-10-2014 09:07 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(11-10-2014 08:45 PM)TerryD Wrote:  1 2014 ACC 7 2 0 .778 11.01 3.23 16 16 Dabo Swinney (7-2)
2 2013 ACC 11 2 0 .846 14.98 3.06 8 3 8 Dabo Swinney (11-2) Orange Bowl-W
3 2012 ACC 11 2 0 .846 14.75 1.14 14 10 11 Dabo Swinney (11-2) Chick-fil-A Bowl-W
4 2011 ACC 10 4 0 .714 6.54 1.18 6 22 Dabo Swinney (10-4) Orange Bowl-L
5 2010 ACC 6 7 0 .462 7.35 3.74 Dabo Swinney (6-7) Meineke Car Care Bowl-L
6 2009 ACC 9 5 0 .643 11.73 4.01 15 24 Dabo Swinney (9-5) Music City Bowl-W
7 2008 ACC 7 6 0 .538 6.97 2.51 9 9 Tommy Bowden (3-3)
Dabo Swinney (4-3) Gator Bowl-L
8 2007 ACC 9 4 0 .692 11.40 1.71 13 21 Tommy Bowden (9-4) Chick-fil-A Bowl-L
9 2006 ACC 8 5 0 .615 8.19 0.65 18 10 Tommy Bowden (8-5) Music City Bowl-L
10 2005 ACC 8 4 0 .667 11.09 3.42 20 21 Tommy Bowden (8-4) Champs Sports Bowl-W
11 2004 ACC 6 5 0 .545 5.23 5.23 15 15 Tommy Bowden (6-5)
12 2003 ACC 9 4 0 .692 10.49 4.26 22 22 Tommy Bowden (9-4) Peach Bowl-W
13 2002 ACC 7 6 0 .538 4.16 4.23 Tommy Bowden (7-6) Tangerine Bowl II-L
14 2001 ACC 7 5 0 .583 4.34 1.59 19 13 Tommy Bowden (7-5) Humanitarian Bowl-W
15 2000 ACC 9 3 0 .750 11.54 2.04 17 5 16 Tommy Bowden (9-3) Gator Bowl-L
16 1999 ACC 6 6 0 .500 7.55 5.30 Tommy Bowden (6-6) Peach Bowl-L
17 1998 ACC 3 8 0 .273 -1.95 1.42 Tommy West (3-8)
18 1997 ACC 7 5 0 .583 8.41 3.33 20 16 Tommy West (7-5) Peach Bowl-L
19 1996 ACC 7 5 0 .583 2.90 1.24 25 22 Tommy West (7-5) Peach Bowl-L
20 1995 ACC 8 4 0 .667 6.09 -0.07 23 Tommy West (8-4) Gator Bowl-L


Clemson record the past twenty years-------155-92




1 2014 Ind 7 2 0 .778 12.42 4.31 17 5 Brian Kelly (7-2)
2 2013 Ind 9 4 0 .692 9.50 4.50 14 14 20 Brian Kelly (9-4) Pinstripe Bowl-W
3 2012 Ind 12 1 0 .923 16.98 6.14 1 4 Brian Kelly (12-1) BCS Championship-L
4 2011 Ind 8 5 0 .615 11.06 4.44 16 16 Brian Kelly (8-5) Champs Sports Bowl-L
5 2010 Ind 8 5 0 .615 10.35 5.04 Brian Kelly (8-5) Sun Bowl-W
6 2009 Ind 6 6 0 .500 6.49 3.65 23 18 Charlie Weis (6-6)
7 2008 Ind 7 6 0 .538 2.99 0.91 Charlie Weis (7-6) Hawaii Bowl-W
8 2007 Ind 3 9 0 .250 -5.03 4.89 Charlie Weis (3-9)
9 2006 Ind 10 3 0 .769 11.32 3.56 2 2 17 Charlie Weis (10-3) Sugar Bowl-L
10 2005 Ind 9 3 0 .750 17.46 6.13 5 9 Charlie Weis (9-3) Fiesta Bowl-L
11 2004 Ind 6 6 0 .500 6.22 7.39 24 Tyrone Willingham (6-5)
Kent Baer (0-1) Insight Bowl-L
12 2003 Ind 5 7 0 .417 3.12 8.04 20 15 Tyrone Willingham (5-7)
13 2002 Ind 10 3 0 .769 10.89 5.51 4 17 Tyrone Willingham (10-3) Gator Bowl-L
14 2001 Ind 5 6 0 .455 6.00 6.55 18 17 Bob Davie (5-6)
15 2000 Ind 9 3 0 .750 12.45 5.12 10 15 Bob Davie (9-3) Fiesta Bowl-L
16 1999 Ind 5 7 0 .417 6.59 6.84 18 16 Bob Davie (5-7)
17 1998 Ind 9 3 0 .750 11.16 3.66 22 9 22 Bob Davie (9-3) Gator Bowl-L
18 1997 Ind 7 6 0 .538 6.62 5.31 11 11 Bob Davie (7-6) Independence Bowl-L
19 1996 Ind 8 3 0 .727 16.07 4.16 6 5 19 Lou Holtz (8-3)
20 1995 Ind 9 3 0 .750 17.70 8.28 9 6 11 Lou Holtz (9-3) Orange Bowl-L


Notre Dame record the past twenty years--------152-91


(worst twenty year stretch ever for ND, right??).


http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div..._index.php


Not much of a difference there, Kap.

No FCS games/wins ever for ND to pad its win total. I wonder who has had the better strength of schedule the past twenty years?

I bow to mighty Clemson as a fan of the "overrated" Irish......Take care.

Surely there has to be a difference. I mean Notre Dame is the end all, be all in college football. We wouldn't have college football if it weren't for Notre Dame creating it way back when.

No way that the all powerful, all mighty Notre Dame....the very essence of college football according to what I have heard my entire life....could be anywhere near the level of a small former military school in the Upstate of SC.


Except I didn't say any of that, Straw Man.

You were the one who ran his big mouth.
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I didn't run my mouth. All I did was state the facts. Notre Dame desires independence in football because of tradition, yet has to find a conference stupid enough to let them leech away bowl slots from full members. An ACC school is going to get screwed this bowl season because of the Parasites.

And we did it for a measly $2.5 million a year.

And people wonder why I think this conference is hot garbage.
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(11-10-2014 11:04 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I didn't run my mouth. All I did was state the facts. Notre Dame desires independence in football because of tradition, yet has to find a conference stupid enough to let them leech away bowl slots from full members. An ACC school is going to get screwed this bowl season because of the Parasites.

And we did it for a measly $2.5 million a year.

And people wonder why I think this conference is hot garbage.

I just wanted to point out in this thread that when you dog ND's record over the last five to twenty years, you are inadvertently dogging Clemson's as well.

Again, Clemson has the option of marketing itself to the nation and the networks as an independent or find another conference.

Trouble is, nobody really cares all that much about Clemson athletics outside of northwest South Carolina, hence your leaders' conundrum.

The ACC didn't do the ND deal for just the extra $2.5 million per school per year. It did it to save itself.

Without ND joining in 2012, there would probably be only a truncated ACC right now and Clemson fans would be enjoying trips to Lubbock, Ames and Stillwater, at best.

The SEC and Big Ten didn't/don't want Clemson. The Big 12 only wanted Clemson if FSU, at least, maybe Miami and Georgia Tech, came as well.

Clemson has few options and literally no place else to go. How do I know this? No invitations extended and Clemson signed off on ND, the $52 million buyout and the GOR.

If Clemson had anyone who wanted it, the school would have made a move. So, here you are.

Clemson's leaders, then and now, were/are smart enough to know that, even if you are not.

Nobody put a gun to Clemson or the ACC's head.

Your constant whining notwithstanding, everyone else in the ACC knows this and were only too happy to agree to the ND deal.
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(11-10-2014 01:43 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(11-10-2014 01:23 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(11-10-2014 12:04 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Nah...it's leaching.

As for Clemson agreeing to be part and parcel of the rape of our conference you have to remember that at the time we had weak leadership both in the president's office and AD's office. President Barker hated athletics to begin with, so it wouldn't be too much of a shock if he worked to bring in Notre Dame because it would hurt us athletically.

Of course I would like to point out the fact that Barker is retired and doesn't have to deal with the ramifications of this one sided deal.

That is a real sad story. I feel bad for you guys being betrayed by your own leaders like that.

If Clemson is so upset with a deal it agreed to and which possibly saved its conference from being picked apart, it ought to try to go Indy with its own TV deal or ditch the ACC for some other conference??

That's a great idea, Terry. Maybe we could arrange a trade with the SEC for Tennessee. 05-stirthepot

Hey now 05-nono
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