Then who ain't



Is football that important?

Army can play in FBS if they so choose, but they should not be in the big time college football business. If they can't control this, then is FCS a good idea.

I wouldn't want Army to go down a division, but the military academies create officers....

I have thought for awhile now that the Military Academies should be in a different division. Maybe the Ivy league conference.

Cue the prohibitionist crowd telling us that men who are old to enough to die for our country are too young to have a sip of beer.

(10-25-2014 10:47 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  Army can play in FBS if they so choose, but they should not be in the big time college football business. If they can't control this, then is FCS a good idea.

I wouldn't want Army to go down a division, but the military academies create officers....

And other colleges are supposed to create educated and enlightened citizens who are engineers, teachers, and scientists. Some schools do a better job than others, but those other jobs are just as important to our national strength as a good officer corps.

They are already in the Patriot League in other sports and Patriot League football only has like 7 members so thats where they should go. Drop Air Force from the schedule and play The Citdael and VMI every year.

Given the source of that report -- the Colorado Springs newspaper -- it's likely that the information was leaked to that paper by someone connected to the Air Force Academy, and if so that is really weak. The academies ought to be above the petty snitching on one another that the "big time" programs indulge in.

Army and Air Force should join Navy in the American

Oh goodness, as if even they aren't young people, who tend to do questionable things. None of us are stainless or spotless despite the face we put on in public. If you want choir boys, look for those who go on Christian missions (they aren't perfect either). And it's not even every member of the team.

(10-25-2014 10:57 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  I have thought for awhile now that the Military Academies should be in a different division. Maybe the Ivy league conference.

I've thought the Ivy League would be the best fit for the academies for some time. Not sure if the Ivy League would be interested though.

(10-26-2014 01:41 AM)Wedge Wrote:  Given the source of that report -- the Colorado Springs newspaper -- it's likely that the information was leaked to that paper by someone connected to the Air Force Academy, and if so that is really weak. The academies ought to be above the petty snitching on one another that the "big time" programs indulge in.

You may not know much about the military, especially the pre-Goldwater-Nichols-CENTCOM-SOUTHCOM-EUCOM military, which the academies are holdovers from.

For a long time, the "real enemy" for the Army brass was the Navy brass, and vice versa. Check the history of the Air Force trying to block or rubbish SSBNs, Army/MArine Corps spats with the Air Force over the A-10 Warthog, etc.

The problem has been remedied to a large extent by the 1980's reforms that created the joint area commands (CENTCOM, EUCOM, SOUTHCOM, PACOM, etc) and encouraged interservice cooperation at various levels.

But in any given culture, I'd expect the alumni football boosters to be the most retrograde element. "Beat Army/NAVy" is probably a bigger deal to 50 year old retired fighter jocks than it is to 40 year old AF officers who got their routine medical treatments in Iraq from Navy medical corpsmen.

EDIT: Not trying to imply that big-time basketball boosters are any better.

What's funny is that Army can't even cheat right. They're doing this and they're still losing most of their games.

Like I said, I'd imagine this goes on at pretty much every institution, even the Ivy Leaguers.

Girls and booze, big deal.
Cash from boosters to have the privilege of attending Army

Who is Army competing against for recruits?

(10-26-2014 06:35 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Girls and booze, big deal.
Cash from boosters to have the privilege of attending Army

Who is Army competing against for recruits?

Navy and Air Force

(10-26-2014 08:58 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(10-26-2014 01:41 AM)Wedge Wrote:  Given the source of that report -- the Colorado Springs newspaper -- it's likely that the information was leaked to that paper by someone connected to the Air Force Academy, and if so that is really weak. The academies ought to be above the petty snitching on one another that the "big time" programs indulge in.

You may not know much about the military, especially the pre-Goldwater-Nichols-CENTCOM-SOUTHCOM-EUCOM military, which the academies are holdovers from.

For a long time, the "real enemy" for the Army brass was the Navy brass, and vice versa. Check the history of the Air Force trying to block or rubbish SSBNs, Army/MArine Corps spats with the Air Force over the A-10 Warthog, etc.

The problem has been remedied to a large extent by the 1980's reforms that created the joint area commands (CENTCOM, EUCOM, SOUTHCOM, PACOM, etc) and encouraged interservice cooperation at various levels.

But in any given culture, I'd expect the alumni football boosters to be the most retrograde element. "Beat Army/NAVy" is probably a bigger deal to 50 year old retired fighter jocks than it is to 40 year old AF officers who got their routine medical treatments in Iraq from Navy medical corpsmen.

EDIT: Not trying to imply that big-time basketball boosters are any better.

I want everyone to imagine what kind of girls go to service academies and whether or not they have enough attractiveness to sway a potential cadets decision.

Also, from about the mid 70's forward, both the Army and the Navy have both been united in general disdain towards the USAF.

(10-26-2014 01:41 AM)Wedge Wrote:  Given the source of that report -- the Colorado Springs newspaper -- it's likely that the information was leaked to that paper by someone connected to the Air Force Academy, and if so that is really weak. The academies ought to be above the petty snitching on one another that the "big time" programs indulge in.

That same newspaper reported about an AF scandal a month ago. Maybe they are just really good with digging around the service academies football dealings?

(10-25-2014 11:05 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-25-2014 10:47 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  Army can play in FBS if they so choose, but they should not be in the big time college football business. If they can't control this, then is FCS a good idea.

I wouldn't want Army to go down a division, but the military academies create officers....

And other colleges are supposed to create educated and enlightened citizens who are engineers, teachers, and scientists. Some schools do a better job than others, but those other jobs are just as important to our national strength as a good officer corps.

And they also produce football players, UNC and Syracuse can show you how much those students study.

(10-26-2014 08:58 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(10-26-2014 01:41 AM)Wedge Wrote:  Given the source of that report -- the Colorado Springs newspaper -- it's likely that the information was leaked to that paper by someone connected to the Air Force Academy, and if so that is really weak. The academies ought to be above the petty snitching on one another that the "big time" programs indulge in.

You may not know much about the military, especially the pre-Goldwater-Nichols-CENTCOM-SOUTHCOM-EUCOM military, which the academies are holdovers from.

For a long time, the "real enemy" for the Army brass was the Navy brass, and vice versa. Check the history of the Air Force trying to block or rubbish SSBNs, Army/MArine Corps spats with the Air Force over the A-10 Warthog, etc.

The problem has been remedied to a large extent by the 1980's reforms that created the joint area commands (CENTCOM, EUCOM, SOUTHCOM, PACOM, etc) and encouraged interservice cooperation at various levels.

But in any given culture, I'd expect the alumni football boosters to be the most retrograde element. "Beat Army/NAVy" is probably a bigger deal to 50 year old retired fighter jocks than it is to 40 year old AF officers who got their routine medical treatments in Iraq from Navy medical corpsmen.

EDIT: Not trying to imply that big-time basketball boosters are any better.

The good news is the services all cooperate now, unless it is on what type of camo pattern to use.

(10-25-2014 10:57 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  I have thought for awhile now that the Military Academies should be in a different division. Maybe the Ivy league conference.

put them with their basketball squads in the Patriot League.