Well in 2012 niu beat us on about four 4th option passes when Lynch was scrambling. Eekes had a 47 yd catch. Schepler? And wells did too. Not sure what positions they are.

Schepler had two catches vs. Toledo in 2013 as well as eekes one catch for 11 yards. So 6 plays to TE's vs. Toledo and 4/5 of which were 1st down or big gainers.

Claiming NIU's TEs have been the reason of beating anyone in recent memory just shows how little you know.

(10-29-2014 01:28 PM)7 Wrote:  Claiming NIU's TEs have been the reason of beating anyone in recent memory just shows how little you know.

+1

Amount of options lynch had while scrambling, along with his running ability, or ability for NIUs wide receivers to keep plays developing while Lynch did his thing is a reason toledos already bad defensive backs couldnt keep NIU out of the endzone.

(10-29-2014 05:02 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Amount of options lynch had while scrambling, along with his running ability, or ability for NIUs wide receivers to keep plays developing while Lynch did his thing is a reason toledos already bad defensive backs couldnt keep NIU out of the endzone.

311 rushing yards per game against Toledo.

Three. Hundred. Eleven.

Jor-dan Lynch does not play for N I U any more. I do not care a bout other sea sons. 2014 is rel ev ant. 2013 is not. 2012 is not. 2011 is not. 2010 is not. 2009 is not. 2008 is not. 2007 is not. Ter rance O wens is not. Tom Ma tuk e wicz is not.

And here I was [not] expecting G-string to put his signature line where his mouth is by the time I logged in tonight.

Central is Easterns rival, Western not so much. But beating both would make me happy.

Quote:And if Toledo fans are expecting an automatic W just because NIU lost to CMU need to get their head examined. Its going to be a tough game, always is the last ten years.

Very true. CMU with Rawls & Davis, bringing their A-game, are a tough squad (the one who crushed Purdue). Just because NIU is getting their stuff together -- don't at all think it's going to be a (yawn) win. BOTH teams should be afraid.

Quote:And what quality wins does Toledo have this year? Toledo got clubbed by Missouri who lost to Indiana and South Dakota St performed much better against them than you guys. Also, Iowa St blows.

Atleast Northwestern has beaten Penn St and Wisconsin.

Toledo hasn't defined themselves as a Dominant team, no. I thought they'd beat what seemed to be a reload-year-Missouri team since it was in the Glass Bowl. I was disappointed they got handled So Well after having their hands full against a D1AA earlier. And against Iowa St, I was hoping something would come there -- and was kind of expecting it to -- but they weren't too impressive there. ISU isn't very good, despite a relatively good D.

NIU has nothing to brag about this season -- they should be better. No, not "on their way to a MAC title" better -- but establishing themselves better. Should make NIUs worry "When IS Hare going to find comfortable ground, and the D dig in to be a couple notches better?"

Neither team has any bragging rights right now. Toledo will be HUNGRY, though. Toledo has has established flaws (as has NIU) -- and are going into NIU's house. It's going to be an AWESOME game to watch.

While NIU and UT fans debate, decent chance WMU makes it to the MACC.

(10-30-2014 05:24 AM)emu steve Wrote:  While NIU and UT fans debate, decent chance WMU makes it to the MACC.

Need two toledo losses to probably NIU and BG. By the way the wmu vs. Bg game's went, that one looks less likely (especially at Toledo). Could happen?! I wouldn't say decent chance with wmu still to play CMU and NIU themselves.

(10-30-2014 05:24 AM)emu steve Wrote:  While NIU and UT fans debate, decent chance WMU makes it to the MACC.

Unless Toledo is going to lose to Kent State or EMU (not likely), they would have to drop both the NIU and Bowling Green games for WMU to make it to Detroit. They could lose either one of those games, but I don't think there's a good chance they lose both.

That's also assuming WMU beats NIU at home and CMU in Mt. Pleasant, which is far from a lock either.

The most likely outcome is Toledo drops a game somewhere, but still ends up winning the West.

Yep, on 2nd thought, because of the tie breaker (when WMU missed a PAT vs. Toledo and lost in OT) Toledo is definitely in the driver's seat.

WMU is playing for a bowl game.

So there are some grounds to be agreed upon.

(10-29-2014 11:25 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  

Quote:And if Toledo fans are expecting an automatic W just because NIU lost to CMU need to get their head examined. Its going to be a tough game, always is the last ten years.

Very true. CMU with Rawls & Davis, bringing their A-game, are a tough squad (the one who crushed Purdue). Just because NIU is getting their stuff together -- don't at all think it's going to be a (yawn) win. BOTH teams should be afraid.

Quote:And what quality wins does Toledo have this year? Toledo got clubbed by Missouri who lost to Indiana and South Dakota St performed much better against them than you guys. Also, Iowa St blows.

Atleast Northwestern has beaten Penn St and Wisconsin.

Toledo hasn't defined themselves as a Dominant team, no. I thought they'd beat what seemed to be a reload-year-Missouri team since it was in the Glass Bowl. I was disappointed they got handled So Well after having their hands full against a D1AA earlier. And against Iowa St, I was hoping something would come there -- and was kind of expecting it to -- but they weren't too impressive there. ISU isn't very good, despite a relatively good D.

NIU has nothing to brag about this season -- they should be better. No, not "on their way to a MAC title" better -- but establishing themselves better. Should make NIUs worry "When IS Hare going to find comfortable ground, and the D dig in to be a couple notches better?"

Neither team has any bragging rights right now. Toledo will be HUNGRY, though. Toledo has has established flaws (as has NIU) -- and are going into NIU's house. It's going to be an AWESOME game to watch.

They're 6-2 having lost a Heisman finalist, a first round draft pick, and having arguably their best all around player (Lewis) and inarguably their best defensive player (Bass) miss pretty much the entire season.

Would have I liked to seen better preformances against Kent, EMU, and CMU? Yes, but I don't think anyone could have expected better than 6-2 at this point.

Perception does funny things to people. Fleck is having a great turnaround seasn, but everyone is talking up WMU for being 5-3 (3-1) and everyone is talking down NIU for being 6-2 (3-1). Yes, NIU has struggled in some games as well but it took a miracle for WMU to beat a pretty bad Ball State team.

I think WMU could lose any of the 4 games left on their schedule, and I also think the same is true for NIU.

I think WMU is perceived as better than NIU (by some) because they have a marquee road victory at 3-1 BGSU, and a 1 point overtime loss to the only 4-0 team. NIU and WMU's schedules will be comparable at the end of the season, but NIU hasn't hit any of their real tough MAC West games yet. The VT game for them also looks (slightly) better than the Arkansas game for NIU. The Purdue game...not so much. Franklin has got some games under him though, and WMU is trending upward since that week 1 game.

Quote:While NIU and UT fans debate, decent chance WMU makes it to the MACC.

Naww, I wish. I'd say there's a 10% chance. Not too decent. Toledo's going to have to beat BGSU at home -- but it's at home. BGSU can turn things into a shootout, especially with Toledo's dilapidated passing D. But Toledo can also score on BGSU like a frat guy in freshman dorms. BGSU would need a shoot-out to make it a viable win for them -- very possible, but that still doesn't mean win against a favorite.

On the other side, @NIU -- NIU's going to bring it. But so will Toledo. If NIU (and Hare + D) has their sh!t together, they can win.

But BOTH would be required + WMU taking out NIU. If NIU beats Toledo -- then suddenly for the final game, WMU has to play an NIU team that has their sh!t together. Not good for us.

WMU is a good team this year. Basically, a year to help make the conference look better while most other teams (Except UMass) are reloading or sub-par.

Quote:That's also assuming WMU beats NIU at home and CMU in Mt. Pleasant, which is far from a lock either.

FAR from a lock. WMU's beat CMU in Mt Pleasant twice since the 70s. Will be harder than beating NIU at home, if Rawls is close to 100%.

Quote:WMU is playing for a bowl game.

Ehhh, yes and no. We have to beat Miami and EMU to lock into a bowl game (7 wins). That SHOULD happen. But yes, we won't be able to get beyond that. Beating @CMU *and* NIU? That's like saying a guy who finally hooks up with a hottie is ready to raid the sororities like a buffet table. TOO early to hope for that. Can't expect it.

Basically, WMU is fighting for pride, and the best record they can get -- laying down the groundwork for next year. We'll get 7 wins -- but even if we had 9 (won't happen) -- chances would still be Small winning the West (3-way tie or Toledo losing to BGSU and @NIU).