Scoring is out of control.

Look at the points being scored across the country. 50 points is nothing.

I'm not sure that is good for the overall game.

Teams are going to play fast. That is here to stay, and that is ok.

I think the first step to help alleviate this slightly is to not stop the clock on first downs. It will reduce the number of plays a slight bit and maybe make the individual play and score more valuable as they will be slightly scarcer.

To add, clock can stop on first downs in last two minutes of half

Soooo, to decrease scoring, you want to shorten the games? No. Don't devalue the game by shortening it.

Shorten the game? No. I said don't stop the clock after every first down. Like in the nfl.

TCU over TTU 82-27...TCU had 31 in the 3rd quarter alone

(10-25-2014 06:19 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  Shorten the game? No. I said don't stop the clock after every first down. Like in the nfl.

I didn't mean literally shorten the game (make it less than 60 minutes). I meant shorten the game in terms of # of plays. If teams are up tempo, let them run 100 plays. If they're slow tempo, let them run 50 plays. So be it.

I think the problem is actually all these new rules/penalties about targeting, hitting a defenseless receiver and leading with your helmet. Guys seem to be ejected frequently for what was considered a normal hit (see Marlowe, Dean) ten years ago. Teams aren't afraid to go over the middle anymore because they know defenders won't punish receivers and tight ends like the once did.

I think they need to take your suggestion and not stop the clock after every first down (maybe they still should inside the two minutes of each half). Scoring is out of control and I highly doubt they'll make the game more violent/dangerous by repealing some of the new penalties and rules...that would be a PR nightmare this day and age.

If there's one thing the NCAA loves to do, it's to make rules rules and more rules

I agree with the stopping the clock thing but also every team takes their best players and puts them on offense. That's where Mickey found some success is by doing the complete opposite. Every kid wants stats but they should be playing defense. Hence, you get all the best skill guys on one side of the ball at a lot of schools.

(10-25-2014 06:19 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  Shorten the game? No. I said don't stop the clock after every first down. Like in the nfl.

That would shorten the game.

(10-25-2014 06:47 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  I think the problem is actually all these new rules/penalties about targeting, hitting a defenseless receiver and leading with your helmet. Guys seem to be ejected frequently for what was considered a normal hit (see Marlowe, Dean) ten years ago. Teams aren't afraid to go over the middle anymore because they know defenders won't punish receivers and tight ends like the once did.

I think they need to take your suggestion and not stop the clock after every first down (maybe they still should inside the two minutes of each half). Scoring is out of control and I highly doubt they'll make the game more violent/dangerous by repealing some of the new penalties and rules...that would be a PR nightmare this day and age.

I agree. It's really made football a lot less exciting for me as someone who likes defense and big hits and has always been a big believer in "defense wins championships". A touchdown is also a lot less exciting when those six points are part of a total of 50+. The NFL especially has gotten a lot less exciting to me the past few years. NHL has passed NFL and college football by a mile to me. College basketball is probably still tops for me though.

Watching #3 Ole Miss @ LSU right now. Mid 4th qtr 7-3 Ole Miss.

(10-25-2014 09:13 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  

(10-25-2014 06:19 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  Shorten the game? No. I said don't stop the clock after every first down. Like in the nfl.

That would shorten the game.

(10-25-2014 06:47 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  I think the problem is actually all these new rules/penalties about targeting, hitting a defenseless receiver and leading with your helmet. Guys seem to be ejected frequently for what was considered a normal hit (see Marlowe, Dean) ten years ago. Teams aren't afraid to go over the middle anymore because they know defenders won't punish receivers and tight ends like the once did.

I think they need to take your suggestion and not stop the clock after every first down (maybe they still should inside the two minutes of each half). Scoring is out of control and I highly doubt they'll make the game more violent/dangerous by repealing some of the new penalties and rules...that would be a PR nightmare this day and age.

I agree. It's really made football a lot less exciting for me as someone who likes defense and big hits and has always been a big believer in "defense wins championships". A touchdown is also a lot less exciting when those six points are part of a total of 50+. The NFL especially has gotten a lot less exciting to me the past few years. NHL has passed NFL and college football by a mile to me. College basketball is probably still tops for me though.

I agree. In the NFL you can't hit the QB high, can't hit him low. May as well put a red jersey on him. You practically can't hit a WR when he's catching the ball. It got to bad that any time I saw a great hit the 1st thing I did was look for a flag. One of several reasons I'm done watching the NFL. Have watched 0 games this year. College is headed that way.

1st series of the 2nd half UNCC player caught short pass over the middle. Marlowe could have lit him up a second after he caught it, but he came in way low, whiffed on the tackle, and the guy had a big gain. UNCC went on to score. Marlowe coming in low like that was probably a worry of getting another targeting call.

The pussification of football is ruining the game.

(10-25-2014 09:13 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  always been a big believer in "defense wins championships".

Yep. They still play defense in the SEC. 6 of the top 20 in scoring defense and 7 of the top 25 in total defense. No other conference is close. And the SEC has won 7 of the last 8 National Championships, and likely will again this yr. Throw in FSU,another team from the southeastern US, winning it last yr, and 6 of the last 8 Nat Champs have given up between about 8.2 and 13.5 ppg. Only 07' LSU (about 20 ppg) and 10 Auburn (about 24 ppg) gave up more.

(10-25-2014 05:52 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  Scoring is out of control.

Look at the points being scored across the country. 50 points is nothing.

I'm not sure that is good for the overall game.

Teams are going to play fast. That is here to stay, and that is ok.

I think the first step to help alleviate this slightly is to not stop the clock on first downs. It will reduce the number of plays a slight bit and maybe make the individual play and score more valuable as they will be slightly scarcer.

Good idea!

(10-25-2014 10:18 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(10-25-2014 09:13 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  

(10-25-2014 06:19 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  Shorten the game? No. I said don't stop the clock after every first down. Like in the nfl.

That would shorten the game.

(10-25-2014 06:47 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  I think the problem is actually all these new rules/penalties about targeting, hitting a defenseless receiver and leading with your helmet. Guys seem to be ejected frequently for what was considered a normal hit (see Marlowe, Dean) ten years ago. Teams aren't afraid to go over the middle anymore because they know defenders won't punish receivers and tight ends like the once did.

I think they need to take your suggestion and not stop the clock after every first down (maybe they still should inside the two minutes of each half). Scoring is out of control and I highly doubt they'll make the game more violent/dangerous by repealing some of the new penalties and rules...that would be a PR nightmare this day and age.

I agree. It's really made football a lot less exciting for me as someone who likes defense and big hits and has always been a big believer in "defense wins championships". A touchdown is also a lot less exciting when those six points are part of a total of 50+. The NFL especially has gotten a lot less exciting to me the past few years. NHL has passed NFL and college football by a mile to me. College basketball is probably still tops for me though.

I agree. In the NFL you can't hit the QB high, can't hit him low. May as well put a red jersey on him. You practically can't hit a WR when he's catching the ball. It got to bad that any time I saw a great hit the 1st thing I did was look for a flag. One of several reasons I'm done watching the NFL. Have watched 0 games this year. College is headed that way.

1st series of the 2nd half UNCC player caught short pass over the middle. Marlowe could have lit him up a second after he caught it, but he came in way low, whiffed on the tackle, and the guy had a big gain. UNCC went on to score. Marlowe coming in low like that was probably a worry of getting another targeting call.

The pussification of football is ruining the game.

I agree with pretty much everything you said except on that play Marlowe just needs to make a 3rd down tackle there and make them punt. It wasn't because he came in low, he just missed the tackle and didn't wrap up. We have to quit giving Dean a free pass. He has regressed over the course of his career. I'd rather have Marlowe the freshman than Marlowe the senior.

(10-25-2014 10:18 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(10-25-2014 09:13 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  

(10-25-2014 06:19 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  Shorten the game? No. I said don't stop the clock after every first down. Like in the nfl.

That would shorten the game.

(10-25-2014 06:47 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  I think the problem is actually all these new rules/penalties about targeting, hitting a defenseless receiver and leading with your helmet. Guys seem to be ejected frequently for what was considered a normal hit (see Marlowe, Dean) ten years ago. Teams aren't afraid to go over the middle anymore because they know defenders won't punish receivers and tight ends like the once did.

I think they need to take your suggestion and not stop the clock after every first down (maybe they still should inside the two minutes of each half). Scoring is out of control and I highly doubt they'll make the game more violent/dangerous by repealing some of the new penalties and rules...that would be a PR nightmare this day and age.

I agree. It's really made football a lot less exciting for me as someone who likes defense and big hits and has always been a big believer in "defense wins championships". A touchdown is also a lot less exciting when those six points are part of a total of 50+. The NFL especially has gotten a lot less exciting to me the past few years. NHL has passed NFL and college football by a mile to me. College basketball is probably still tops for me though.

I agree. In the NFL you can't hit the QB high, can't hit him low. May as well put a red jersey on him. You practically can't hit a WR when he's catching the ball. It got to bad that any time I saw a great hit the 1st thing I did was look for a flag. One of several reasons I'm done watching the NFL. Have watched 0 games this year. College is headed that way.

1st series of the 2nd half UNCC player caught short pass over the middle. Marlowe could have lit him up a second after he caught it, but he came in way low, whiffed on the tackle, and the guy had a big gain. UNCC went on to score. Marlowe coming in low like that was probably a worry of getting another targeting call.

The pussification of football is ruining the game.

The NFL has become such a side show now. They got what they wanted, to become the biggest thing in America, but they ruined their product in the process.

I'm with BDK on this. Look at the actual champs the last five years. Scoring is a pinball machine during the regular season when Baylor/WVU/TCU/Oregon/etc. are playing crappy teams (hell, even ODU/JMU/etc. at our level), but that's just a cyclical thing and the defenses will catch up even if the rule changes delay that process. Alabama, LSU, Ole Miss, Michigan St., NDSU at FCS don't give up 70 plus points when they play that first group. Doesn't mean they always win (see Oregon/Mich. St.), but TCU's not putting up those numbers against Ole Miss or LSU instead of Texas Tech's sorry @ss.

On the local front, JMU's scored 62 and 48 the last two weeks, but does anyone think we're scoring more than 31 or so next week against a relatively competent defense?