I did not watch the game, but pathetically followed it on gamecast and this board. What did those of you who actually watched the game, either live or over the Internet, think of Vad's performance today? His stats look good, but they often don't tell the whole story.


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He had game changing plays with his scrambling ability. Mehringer has adjusted play calling the last 2 games to limit intermediate and longer passes. I may have missed one, but JMU "threw" at least 8 shovel passes today.

Lots of WR screens, lots of stuff underneath.
I think only 8 or 9 passes traveled farther than 9 yards downfield.

The staff isn't going to reduce passing attempts so it is a good move to condense the passing game. Even with great QB protection today, Vad is not a good passer when he goes beyond the dinks and dunks.

Charlotte refused to move their defenders to the perimeter even on 5 wide sets. quick passes to the outside were like taking candy from a baby.

For the most part he did what he had to do and only had a few clunkers in the short passing game. His intermediate and long passes were a mixed bag today.

His scrambling from the pocket is what broke Charlotte's back today. He is just too good with his feet.

While it's true that stats don't always tell the whole story, he had over 400 yards and 6 touchdowns. I think we can go with the stats on this one.

Mostly what Hart Foundation said. He threw behind guys a couple times and didn't scramble when he could have run for a mile at times after they adjusted to JMU just gashing them in the running game in the first quarter. The stats definitely don't tell the story as we had guys running wide open all day and he didn't even look at them. They gave us the perimeter and he just didn't even look unless he was rolling. He's much more accurate rolling either way than with his feet set in the pocket. I don't get that whether he gets nervous or what but that's what's going on. When he did run he did a pretty good job and was faster than the Charlotte D. He did give away one ridiculous turnover on the option that never should happen. He has a strong arm but tends to overshoot the deep ball.

(10-25-2014 03:36 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  He had game changing plays with his scrambling ability. Mehringer has adjusted play calling the last 2 games to limit intermediate and longer passes. I may have missed one, but JMU "threw" at least 8 shovel passes today.

Lots of WR screens, lots of stuff underneath.
I think only 8 or 9 passes traveled farther than 9 yards downfield.

The staff isn't going to reduce passing attempts so it is a good move to condense the passing game. Even with great QB protection today, Vad is not a good passer when he goes beyond the dinks and dunks.

Charlotte refused to move their defenders to the perimeter even on 5 wide sets. quick passes to the outside were like taking candy from a baby.

For the most part he did what he had to do and only had a few clunkers in the short passing game. His intermediate and long passes were a mixed bag today.

His scrambling from the pocket is what broke Charlotte's back today. He is just too good with his feet.

This is a true statement. Against Towson, on the long ones, he put some air under the ball and allowed the receivers to go make a play. It was sweet.

Today he reminded me of JT on those long ones. No air, its like he wanted to be "The Man". Even some of his shorter throws, he could have used a little touch rather than sent as a missile.

(10-25-2014 04:03 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(10-25-2014 03:36 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  He had game changing plays with his scrambling ability. Mehringer has adjusted play calling the last 2 games to limit intermediate and longer passes. I may have missed one, but JMU "threw" at least 8 shovel passes today.

Lots of WR screens, lots of stuff underneath.
I think only 8 or 9 passes traveled farther than 9 yards downfield.

The staff isn't going to reduce passing attempts so it is a good move to condense the passing game. Even with great QB protection today, Vad is not a good passer when he goes beyond the dinks and dunks.

Charlotte refused to move their defenders to the perimeter even on 5 wide sets. quick passes to the outside were like taking candy from a baby.

For the most part he did what he had to do and only had a few clunkers in the short passing game. His intermediate and long passes were a mixed bag today.

His scrambling from the pocket is what broke Charlotte's back today. He is just too good with his feet.

This is a true statement. Against Towson, on the long ones, he put some air under the ball and allowed the receivers to go make a play. It was sweet.

Today he reminded me of JT on those long ones. No air, its like he wanted to be "The Man". Even some of his shorter throws, he could have used a little touch rather than sent as a missile.

He has a tendency to put too much on some short throws when it's not necessary. He fired one like a 99mph fastball at Daniel Brown on 3rd down when there was nobody close to him and he dropped it. Ball should have been caught but no reason for it. Same with the Hyman TD catch. Luckily for us he snagged it but he threw a laser beam in short distance and he had enough space where there wasn't really a reason to do that. Guys like Peyton Manning are some of the best passers in the history of football for a lot of reasons but he'd never just groove the ball like that for no reason. Vad has to take it easy sometimes and give receivers an easy ball when they're wide open. The TD pass he hit in the corner of the end zone needed that zip and was a perfect throw. He just needs to learn when and when not that's needed.

(10-25-2014 04:03 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(10-25-2014 03:36 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  He had game changing plays with his scrambling ability. Mehringer has adjusted play calling the last 2 games to limit intermediate and longer passes. I may have missed one, but JMU "threw" at least 8 shovel passes today.

Lots of WR screens, lots of stuff underneath.
I think only 8 or 9 passes traveled farther than 9 yards downfield.

The staff isn't going to reduce passing attempts so it is a good move to condense the passing game. Even with great QB protection today, Vad is not a good passer when he goes beyond the dinks and dunks.

Charlotte refused to move their defenders to the perimeter even on 5 wide sets. quick passes to the outside were like taking candy from a baby.

For the most part he did what he had to do and only had a few clunkers in the short passing game. His intermediate and long passes were a mixed bag today.

His scrambling from the pocket is what broke Charlotte's back today. He is just too good with his feet.

This is a true statement. Against Towson, on the long ones, he put some air under the ball and allowed the receivers to go make a play. It was sweet.

Today he reminded me of JT on those long ones. No air, its like he wanted to be "The Man". Even some of his shorter throws, he could have used a little touch rather than sent as a missile.

He's just sporadic. didn't see your post before I wrote mine. On the TD pass to Brown and the one to Ravenel, he gave it some float and made them easily catchable so he CAN do it. I don't know why but sometimes he just winds up and throws a fastball when we don't need it.

(10-25-2014 03:56 PM)jmuwyhamhgawd Wrote:  While it's true that stats don't always tell the whole story, he had over 400 yards and 6 touchdowns. I think we can go with the stats on this one.

Agree. Not a bad day's work.

Vad doesn't always make the best decisions but the Offense and Vad continue to put up some lofty numbers. He and the Offense are not the issue with this team.

(10-25-2014 04:33 PM)JMU85 Wrote:  Vad doesn't always make the best decisions but the Offense and Vad continue to put up some lofty numbers. He and the Offense are not the issue with this team.

Yep. Defense, I hardly knew you!

(10-25-2014 04:35 PM)JMU Wrote:  

(10-25-2014 04:33 PM)JMU85 Wrote:  Vad doesn't always make the best decisions but the Offense and Vad continue to put up some lofty numbers. He and the Offense are not the issue with this team.

Yep. Defense, I hardly knew you!

I'm not pleased with the D either, but they gave the offense the ball on a short field with two turnovers twice in the 2nd half and I think we got 3 out of it total.

(10-25-2014 04:33 PM)JMU85 Wrote:  Vad doesn't always make the best decisions but the Offense and Vad continue to put up some lofty numbers. He and the Offense are not the issue with this team.

Completely agree. The offense is not the problem this year. It's the defense and some very questionable coaching decisions IMO.

I think our coaches do a lot of good things and have a lot of potential (not sure about D coaches, as they haven't showed much good yet); however, the lack of experience of our coordinators has showed many times this year. That also holds true on some of the head coaching decisions to go for it on certain 4th downs, the formations or calls allowed on 4th and short, clock management at times, challenges, personnel decisions, etc. Hopefully they will be able to self evaluate and correct these mistakes in time with more experience, particularly on the D side, as the talent and resources for success are there.

I know the numbers look good and I'm definitely not sticking up for the defense. That said, the offense goes so fast that sometimes they go 3 and out in 40 seconds of game clock. There was a stretch yesterday where we kept getting in 3rd and short and couldn't pick it up. It drives me insane that we never line up under center and cause the defense to think a little bit. I mean, they don't even have to game plan for it. WTF? I know we primarily have a shotgun or pistol offense but that HAS to be in the playbook. We suck on 3rd and short. Why not try something else and see if we can hang onto the ball? The only time we had a longer time of possession yesterday was because Charlotte was doing the same and we gave up some ridiculous TDs. A 98 yard pass and a 49 yard run up the middle ... I don't know how that happens. Charlotte sucks and we let them do that.

Jesus tap dancing Christ some of you just cannot give Vad some credit. What does he need to do?

(10-26-2014 09:15 AM)JMU_Newbill Wrote:  Jesus tap dancing Christ some of you just cannot give Vad some credit. What does he need to do?

I didn't mean to disparage Vad. I think he's playing pretty well. My statement was more geared toward the coaching staff not even having a package where we can line up under center once in awhile and give defenses a different look.

Vad is very talented. My only complaints with him are that he tends to throw behind guys and sometimes he just gets a little overzealous and goes down field into coverage when there's a guy in the flat who nobody is paying attention to who can make a play (e.g. the ball he threw to Latney yesterday). Overall, he's been pretty good but I just want to see him max out his talent. I know he's not going to be perfect.

(10-26-2014 08:55 AM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  I know the numbers look good and I'm definitely not sticking up for the defense. That said, the offense goes so fast that sometimes they go 3 and out in 40 seconds of game clock. There was a stretch yesterday where we kept getting in 3rd and short and couldn't pick it up. It drives me insane that we never line up under center and cause the defense to think a little bit. I mean, they don't even have to game plan for it. WTF? I know we primarily have a shotgun or pistol offense but that HAS to be in the playbook. We suck on 3rd and short. Why not try something else and see if we can hang onto the ball? The only time we had a longer time of possession yesterday was because Charlotte was doing the same and we gave up some ridiculous TDs. A 98 yard pass and a 49 yard run up the middle ... I don't know how that happens. Charlotte sucks and we let them do that.

Let's be honest here, JMU "let" a 2nd year team with subpar FCS talent and walk-ons do that to you. You should take a hard look in the mirror before saying another team sucks. Hilarious post man.

(10-26-2014 10:43 AM)wh49er Wrote:  Let's be honest here, JMU "let" a 2nd year team with subpar FCS talent and walk-ons do that to you. You should take a hard look in the mirror before saying another team sucks. Hilarious post man.

What point are you even trying to make? "Geez our rag tag bunch of sucky players really made you look bad in that JMU win."

...what?

(10-26-2014 10:43 AM)wh49er Wrote:  

(10-26-2014 08:55 AM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  I know the numbers look good and I'm definitely not sticking up for the defense. That said, the offense goes so fast that sometimes they go 3 and out in 40 seconds of game clock. There was a stretch yesterday where we kept getting in 3rd and short and couldn't pick it up. It drives me insane that we never line up under center and cause the defense to think a little bit. I mean, they don't even have to game plan for it. WTF? I know we primarily have a shotgun or pistol offense but that HAS to be in the playbook. We suck on 3rd and short. Why not try something else and see if we can hang onto the ball? The only time we had a longer time of possession yesterday was because Charlotte was doing the same and we gave up some ridiculous TDs. A 98 yard pass and a 49 yard run up the middle ... I don't know how that happens. Charlotte sucks and we let them do that.

Let's be honest here, JMU "let" a 2nd year team with subpar FCS talent and walk-ons do that to you. You should take a hard look in the mirror before saying another team sucks. Hilarious post man.

I'm not really saying we're good, I'm just frustrated. Look at our defensive stats. For some reason our best LB is on the bench most of the time and we are starting three freshman and one sophomore in our defensive backfield (with our safety Marlow being suspended for a targeting call ... and he's having a bad season anyway).

I know those guys are going to make mistakes and I know Duke is crazy fast but everyone is chewing us up. I get tired of it. We got some turnovers yesterday and still gave up 40 points. I wasn't trying to crap on Charlotte but how in the world do you get that many turnovers and give up 40 and keep the team in the game until the very end?

(10-26-2014 11:11 AM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  

(10-26-2014 10:43 AM)wh49er Wrote:  

(10-26-2014 08:55 AM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  I know the numbers look good and I'm definitely not sticking up for the defense. That said, the offense goes so fast that sometimes they go 3 and out in 40 seconds of game clock. There was a stretch yesterday where we kept getting in 3rd and short and couldn't pick it up. It drives me insane that we never line up under center and cause the defense to think a little bit. I mean, they don't even have to game plan for it. WTF? I know we primarily have a shotgun or pistol offense but that HAS to be in the playbook. We suck on 3rd and short. Why not try something else and see if we can hang onto the ball? The only time we had a longer time of possession yesterday was because Charlotte was doing the same and we gave up some ridiculous TDs. A 98 yard pass and a 49 yard run up the middle ... I don't know how that happens. Charlotte sucks and we let them do that.

Let's be honest here, JMU "let" a 2nd year team with subpar FCS talent and walk-ons do that to you. You should take a hard look in the mirror before saying another team sucks. Hilarious post man.

I'm not really saying we're good, I'm just frustrated. Look at our defensive stats. For some reason our best LB is on the bench most of the time and we are starting three freshman and one sophomore in our defensive backfield (with our safety Marlow being suspended for a targeting call ... and he's having a bad season anyway).

I know those guys are going to make mistakes and I know Duke is crazy fast but everyone is chewing us up. I get tired of it. We got some turnovers yesterday and still gave up 40 points. I wasn't trying to crap on Charlotte but how in the world do you get that many turnovers and give up 40 and keep the team in the game until the very end?

I haven't watched any other JMU games but your Dline looks very suspect. Kalif Phillips was chewing you guys 8-9 yards at a time and our QBs had ample time to make good reads. Even on the 98 yard pass to Duke, the pocket was too clean for a team backed up against there own GL.

(10-26-2014 11:08 AM)bjk3047 Wrote:  

(10-26-2014 10:43 AM)wh49er Wrote:  Let's be honest here, JMU "let" a 2nd year team with subpar FCS talent and walk-ons do that to you. You should take a hard look in the mirror before saying another team sucks. Hilarious post man.

What point are you even trying to make? "Geez our rag tag bunch of sucky players really made you look bad in that JMU win."

...what?

It's not hard to comprehend, when a team hangs with you all game its probably not best to insult them. Both teams have their problems, made for a pretty interesting game yesterday.