(11-03-2014 10:25 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(11-02-2014 11:41 PM)Bg151 Wrote:  Funny how our receivers could not catch a cold under O'korn but now they are making a lot a great catches on Ward's wobbly passes now that their "boy" is out there throwing passes to them.

I was told through a connection that O'Korn lost the team back in the spring by throwing some of the guys under the bus to the staff.

They didn't want to play for him. See the reports that he didn't complete a pass for an entire practice (might have been two but not sure) and the complete lack of effort from the receivers while he was under center starting this season.

Ward isn't winning these games he just isn't losing them. Our defense is what is winning us these games. Our offense has devolved into run two plays and let Ward figure it out.

That said if O'Korn had better coaching on and off the field I think we would have seen better results from him this year. Would that translate into more wins? Who knows but O'Korn has the physical tools he just lacks the leadership skills and the experience.

Both would/could have been solved with better coaching.

The OC is not letting Ward throw vertical. Ward can make throws, Bush is not unleashing him, which is not a surprise.

(11-03-2014 10:33 AM)billetingman1 Wrote:  The OC is not letting Ward throw vertical. Ward can make throws, Bush is not unleashing him, which is not a surprise.

Yeah Bush is a joke I knew last year when they "promoted" him it was going to be bad.

He did "ok" in 2012 because we had so much carryover from the 2011 squad that their experience overcame his play calling.

Now we are not "very" young but we are still a young team. A team that has not been properly coached (on the offensive side not the D Gibbs is killing it) for their entire time on campus.

Ward is a capable QB and with his running ability one that is very exciting to watch.

That said (and I am in no way a Bush supporter) I think his limited passing this past week had as much, if not more, to do with the strong winds in the stadium as it did with Bush not letting him pass the ball.

(11-03-2014 10:40 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(11-03-2014 10:33 AM)billetingman1 Wrote:  The OC is not letting Ward throw vertical. Ward can make throws, Bush is not unleashing him, which is not a surprise.

Yeah Bush is a joke I knew last year when they "promoted" him it was going to be bad.

He did "ok" in 2012 because we had so much carryover from the 2011 squad that their experience overcame his play calling.

Now we are not "very" young but we are still a young team. A team that has not been properly coached (on the offensive side not the D Gibbs is killing it) for their entire time on campus.

Ward is a capable QB and with his running ability one that is very exciting to watch.

That said (and I am in no way a Bush supporter) I think his limited passing this past week had as much, if not more, to do with the strong winds in the stadium as it did with Bush not letting him pass the ball.

Wards arm is comparable to Keenum. Not great strength but accurate with above average touch. Keeps plays alive with his legs. All he does is win, has always been a winner 32-9 as a high school QB, and is 3-0 as a College QB. They are very similar and I don't think Ward gives up the starter position barring injury. The dude has the "IT" factor

(11-03-2014 10:48 AM)billetingman1 Wrote:  Wards arm is comparable to Keenum. Not great strength but accurate with above average touch. Keeps plays alive with his legs. All he does is win, has always been a winner 32-9 as a high school QB, and is 3-0 as a College QB. They are very similar and I don't think Ward gives up the starter position barring injury. The dude has the "IT" factor

Keenum 2008 or Keenum 2011?

We both know his arm strength with crazy up his last two years. Especially 2011.

Also arm strength isn't everything its also accuracy. Ward may be able to throw it 60 yards (I doubt it and I doubt O'Korn could either to be clear) but can he thread the needle?

Accuracy trumps arm strength every time. Don't get me wrong I am happy we have Ward under center knowing how the team has given up on O'Korn.

It's just that Wards calling card right now are his legs not his arm.

(11-03-2014 10:57 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(11-03-2014 10:48 AM)billetingman1 Wrote:  Wards arm is comparable to Keenum. Not great strength but accurate with above average touch. Keeps plays alive with his legs. All he does is win, has always been a winner 32-9 as a high school QB, and is 3-0 as a College QB. They are very similar and I don't think Ward gives up the starter position barring injury. The dude has the "IT" factor

Keenum 2008 or Keenum 2011?

We both know his arm strength with crazy up his last two years. Especially 2011.

Also arm strength isn't everything its also accuracy. Ward may be able to throw it 60 yards (I doubt it and I doubt O'Korn could either to be clear) but can he thread the needle?

Accuracy trumps arm strength every time. Don't get me wrong I am happy we have Ward under center knowing how the team has given up on O'Korn.

It's just that Wards calling card right now are his legs not his arm.

I think he is more like 2009 Keenum. His legs and Arm are fine its the OC that's hamstringing him. I watched Ward in high school he can throw 40 to 45 yards just fine. On the run or in the pocket.

(11-03-2014 11:03 AM)billetingman1 Wrote:  I watched Ward in high school he can throw 40 to 45 yards just fine. On the run or in the pocket.

I don't doubt that but can it thread the needle at that distance?

2009 Keenum I would agree is an accurate comparison. I would counter through that as the years go by we wont see Ward run less the way we did with Keenum.

I think Keenum ran out of necessity and the ability to sense the pass rush. Ward will always have designed plays for him to run even if he develops a laser cannon of an arm.

(11-03-2014 11:09 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(11-03-2014 11:03 AM)billetingman1 Wrote:  I watched Ward in high school he can throw 40 to 45 yards just fine. On the run or in the pocket.

I don't doubt that but can it thread the needle at that distance?

2009 Keenum I would agree is an accurate comparison. I would counter through that as the years go by we wont see Ward run less the way we did with Keenum.

I think Keenum ran out of necessity and the ability to sense the pass rush. Ward will always have designed plays for him to run even if he develops a laser cannon of an arm.

Keenum ran a lot under Briles had the green light. Under Holgorson and Kingsbury he only ran out of necessity (They would not allow him to run). Ward is accurate at 40 if he is allowed to throw 10-15 times down field. They just won't let him.

(11-03-2014 11:16 AM)billetingman1 Wrote:  Ward is accurate at 40 if he is allowed to throw 10-15 times down field. They just won't let him.

I'll have to take your word on that. What little I have seen at that distance (while a strong throw) has been a throw it up and let the guys make it work.

Is that our current coaching staff? Very likely but since he has been here I have not seen ropes at that distance. That said though he doesn't need to throw that deep....

He only needs to be deadly 25 yards out to be unstoppable. If he can (and/or is allowed to) throw those short to medium routes that Keenum threw and execute them with a high degree of success and accuracy his legs will more than make up for any passes that Case could make in the third tier that Ward can't.

(11-03-2014 11:38 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(11-03-2014 11:16 AM)billetingman1 Wrote:  Ward is accurate at 40 if he is allowed to throw 10-15 times down field. They just won't let him.

I'll have to take your word on that. What little I have seen at that distance (while a strong throw) has been a throw it up and let the guys make it work.

Is that our current coaching staff? Very likely but since he has been here I have not seen ropes at that distance. That said though he doesn't need to throw that deep....

He only needs to be deadly 25 yards out to be unstoppable. If he can (and/or is allowed to) throw those short to medium routes that Keenum threw with a high degree of success and accuracy his legs will more than make up for any passes that Case could make in the third tier that Ward can't.

Teams are loading the box against us. He has to be able to throw 30-40 down field with one on one coverage. Instead LeBush are running draw plays (ala Kim Helton). If I know what's coming you don't think DC know what's coming?

(11-03-2014 11:49 AM)billetingman1 Wrote:  Teams are loading the box against us. He has to be able to throw 30-40 down field with one on one coverage. Instead LeBush are running draw plays (ala Kim Helton). If I know what's coming you don't think DC know what's coming?

Oh I know Bush is a joke but I think the entire offensive coaching (and head coach) staff is a joke. Bush's offense is now run two play and let Ward improvise on 3rd down.

One thing I also think is an overlooked factor that our OL is a joke and can't seem to pass block for some reason but can run block which has helped Ward and his legs.