Congrats to the Bearcats on the win. I must say for me it was like a Halloween night from the Twilight zone.
As soon as game started the fire alarm went off in the building and iwe all had to be evacuated so firemen could go in, all of this in the rain. Then as soon as we got back in I received a phone call from a family member with a health scare that had to meet in hospital

Thankfully the fire alarm was a false one due to all the rain and the health scare turned out to be just that a scare and I got to miss most of the horrendous all around play from USF.

Anyways it's a beautiful day today in Miami Beach and all the surrounding stuff last night serves to remind you what's really important in life.

So heading for the beach four blocks from my house for fun with family.

Good luck to all those playing today.

as always, all class Cuban

Thanks Cuban. Wish I was at the beach, maybe Jan/Dec. FLL usually fly into there.
Miami bowl could be in the cards this year.

Glad to hear the health scare came out okay. Oh, and I wish I were in Miami Beach.

(10-25-2014 08:43 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Congrats to the Bearcats on the win. I must say for me it was like a Halloween night from the Twilight zone.
As soon as game started the fire alarm went off in the building and iwe all had to be evacuated so firemen could go in, all of this in the rain. Then as soon as we got back in I received a phone call from a family member with a health scare that had to meet in hospital

Thankfully the fire alarm was a false one due to all the rain and the health scare turned out to be just that a scare and I got to miss most of the horrendous all around play from USF.

Anyways it's a beautiful day today in Miami Beach and all the surrounding stuff last night serves to remind you what's really important in life.

So heading for the beach four blocks from my house for fun with family.

Good luck to all those playing today.

Cincy, can we have Kiel~!? Please

Ditto here, congrats Cinci, your team is looking pretty good.

Cuban, glad the scares were just scares and nothing more... you're dead on about what's important in life.

(10-26-2014 04:58 PM)Bear Wrote:  Cincy, can we have Kiel~!? Please

How far away is flowers, he looks like a good recruit. I know that I wanted him in Cincy>

(10-27-2014 05:58 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(10-26-2014 04:58 PM)Bear Wrote:  Cincy, can we have Kiel~!? Please

How far away is flowers, he looks like a good recruit. I know that I wanted him in Cincy>

From what I have seen so far... he has yet to show any results.


In fact, I am not sure what Taggart is even attempting when using Flowers

Glad to hear all is well Cuban.

As for Flowers and CWT, Flower's doesn't fit CWT's system. With that being said, the play calling appears lost when Flowers is inserted into the game.

I'm of the opinion that CWT has one system and that's it. Thus we have no QB's. There is nothing more that can be said on this that hasn't been covered a hundred times. I won't rant but damn, I sure want too.

Thanks everyone for your concern. Yes I can look back now and have laugh at most of the events that happened Friday night but it was scary when it was happening.

Now about USF, a lot of the inconsistency can be pointed at inexperienced, we had a ton of guys playing last week that are making their first or second year start at those positions and that hurts.

QB is a problem, White is really a kid that in mat schools would have been a project and might have started to really see playing ime in his junior year. Bench us tough but very limited and Flowers is athletic but we all knew that throwing wise he is not there yet. The fact that we have all three playing tells you the dire circumstances at QB at USF. I think that WT keeps playing White because passing wise he us right now the best of the three, the problem with Mike is leadership and maturity and he spooks easily which leads to mistakes.
No stud QB is magically going to appear at USF do even if we get some talented freshmen or JUCO they will need time to grow into the position, so the best we can hope for is to strengthen the offensive talent around the QB so he doesn't have to win the games by himself.
We all want to win now. But the facts are that when we are starting freshmen not even redshirt freshmen at many positions they are going to make dumb mistakes and be up and down.
It will take time at USF, as I keep repeating this is a 4-8, 5-7 team at best this year so I'm surprised when many are shocked that we have crappy games vs more talented and experienced teams.

(10-27-2014 04:51 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Thanks everyone for your concern. Yes I can look back now and have laugh at most of the events that happened Friday night but it was scary when it was happening.

Now about USF, a lot of the inconsistency can be pointed at inexperienced, we had a ton of guys playing last week that are making their first or second year start at those positions and that hurts.

QB is a problem, White is really a kid that in mat schools would have been a project and might have started to really see playing ime in his junior year. Bench us tough but very limited and Flowers is athletic but we all knew that throwing wise he is not there yet. The fact that we have all three playing tells you the dire circumstances at QB at USF. I think that WT keeps playing White because passing wise he us right now the best of the three, the problem with Mike is leadership and maturity and he spooks easily which leads to mistakes.
No stud QB is magically going to appear at USF do even if we get some talented freshmen or JUCO they will need time to grow into the position, so the best we can hope for is to strengthen the offensive talent around the QB so he doesn't have to win the games by himself.
We all want to win now. But the facts are that when we are starting freshmen not even redshirt freshmen at many positions they are going to make dumb mistakes and be up and down.
It will take time at USF, as I keep repeating this is a 4-8, 5-7 team at best this year so I'm surprised when many are shocked that we have crappy games vs more talented and experienced teams.

Cuban please, stop making excuses. We've owned this conference when it comes to recruiting. As of right now, you could break down each position and we'd have recruits that are as highly rated or better then the rest of the conference with one glairing exception, QB. We have three QB's and none of them can play at the FBS level.

Now I know that there are teams with better WR and CB and so on but as a whole, South Florida is at or very near the top in the American when it comes to talent. This team has more then just youth issues. Everyone can see it. I will not make any excuses. I see it and am pissed off.

I can tell you for sure that MARK HARLAN see's the issues......

(10-27-2014 05:59 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(10-27-2014 04:51 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Thanks everyone for your concern. Yes I can look back now and have laugh at most of the events that happened Friday night but it was scary when it was happening.

Now about USF, a lot of the inconsistency can be pointed at inexperienced, we had a ton of guys playing last week that are making their first or second year start at those positions and that hurts.

QB is a problem, White is really a kid that in mat schools would have been a project and might have started to really see playing ime in his junior year. Bench us tough but very limited and Flowers is athletic but we all knew that throwing wise he is not there yet. The fact that we have all three playing tells you the dire circumstances at QB at USF. I think that WT keeps playing White because passing wise he us right now the best of the three, the problem with Mike is leadership and maturity and he spooks easily which leads to mistakes.
No stud QB is magically going to appear at USF do even if we get some talented freshmen or JUCO they will need time to grow into the position, so the best we can hope for is to strengthen the offensive talent around the QB so he doesn't have to win the games by himself.
We all want to win now. But the facts are that when we are starting freshmen not even redshirt freshmen at many positions they are going to make dumb mistakes and be up and down.
It will take time at USF, as I keep repeating this is a 4-8, 5-7 team at best this year so I'm surprised when many are shocked that we have crappy games vs more talented and experienced teams.

Cuban please, stop making excuses. We've owned this conference when it comes to recruiting. As of right now, you could break down each position and we'd have recruits that are as highly rated or better then the rest of the conference with one glairing exception, QB. We have three QB's and none of them can play at the FBS level.

Now I know that there are teams with better WR and CB and so on but as a whole, South Florida is at or very near the top in the American when it comes to talent. This team has more then just youth issues. Everyone can see it. I will not make any excuses. I see it and am pissed off.

I can tell you for sure that MARK HARLAN see's the issues......

Maybe some day you'll realize that a recruiting service ranking doesn't translate to production or wins on the field.

(10-27-2014 06:29 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(10-27-2014 05:59 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(10-27-2014 04:51 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Thanks everyone for your concern. Yes I can look back now and have laugh at most of the events that happened Friday night but it was scary when it was happening.

Now about USF, a lot of the inconsistency can be pointed at inexperienced, we had a ton of guys playing last week that are making their first or second year start at those positions and that hurts.

QB is a problem, White is really a kid that in mat schools would have been a project and might have started to really see playing ime in his junior year. Bench us tough but very limited and Flowers is athletic but we all knew that throwing wise he is not there yet. The fact that we have all three playing tells you the dire circumstances at QB at USF. I think that WT keeps playing White because passing wise he us right now the best of the three, the problem with Mike is leadership and maturity and he spooks easily which leads to mistakes.
No stud QB is magically going to appear at USF do even if we get some talented freshmen or JUCO they will need time to grow into the position, so the best we can hope for is to strengthen the offensive talent around the QB so he doesn't have to win the games by himself.
We all want to win now. But the facts are that when we are starting freshmen not even redshirt freshmen at many positions they are going to make dumb mistakes and be up and down.
It will take time at USF, as I keep repeating this is a 4-8, 5-7 team at best this year so I'm surprised when many are shocked that we have crappy games vs more talented and experienced teams.

Cuban please, stop making excuses. We've owned this conference when it comes to recruiting. As of right now, you could break down each position and we'd have recruits that are as highly rated or better then the rest of the conference with one glairing exception, QB. We have three QB's and none of them can play at the FBS level.

Now I know that there are teams with better WR and CB and so on but as a whole, South Florida is at or very near the top in the American when it comes to talent. This team has more then just youth issues. Everyone can see it. I will not make any excuses. I see it and am pissed off.

I can tell you for sure that MARK HARLAN see's the issues......

Maybe some day you'll realize that a recruiting service ranking doesn't translate to production or wins on the field.

I do realize it. My point is that, that's the same measurable used to define the team at every turn. The fact is, it isn't just youth causing this.

Perhaps I worded my retort inappropriately. I meant that our recruiting classes have stacked up favorable when you utilize the silly numerical scale system. It's inaccurate and I've never put much stock in them. You can check all my posts and I've made perhaps 3 or 4 recruiting posts and those were more about the number of recruits and their positions and not so much their ratings.

The fact is there are literally hundreds of posts about the athletes ratings on this site. Ratings mean nothing! Performance should be the only indicator. By that measure this team has failed on a colossal scale.

(10-27-2014 06:49 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(10-27-2014 06:29 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(10-27-2014 05:59 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(10-27-2014 04:51 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Thanks everyone for your concern. Yes I can look back now and have laugh at most of the events that happened Friday night but it was scary when it was happening.

Now about USF, a lot of the inconsistency can be pointed at inexperienced, we had a ton of guys playing last week that are making their first or second year start at those positions and that hurts.

QB is a problem, White is really a kid that in mat schools would have been a project and might have started to really see playing ime in his junior year. Bench us tough but very limited and Flowers is athletic but we all knew that throwing wise he is not there yet. The fact that we have all three playing tells you the dire circumstances at QB at USF. I think that WT keeps playing White because passing wise he us right now the best of the three, the problem with Mike is leadership and maturity and he spooks easily which leads to mistakes.
No stud QB is magically going to appear at USF do even if we get some talented freshmen or JUCO they will need time to grow into the position, so the best we can hope for is to strengthen the offensive talent around the QB so he doesn't have to win the games by himself.
We all want to win now. But the facts are that when we are starting freshmen not even redshirt freshmen at many positions they are going to make dumb mistakes and be up and down.
It will take time at USF, as I keep repeating this is a 4-8, 5-7 team at best this year so I'm surprised when many are shocked that we have crappy games vs more talented and experienced teams.

Cuban please, stop making excuses. We've owned this conference when it comes to recruiting. As of right now, you could break down each position and we'd have recruits that are as highly rated or better then the rest of the conference with one glairing exception, QB. We have three QB's and none of them can play at the FBS level.

Now I know that there are teams with better WR and CB and so on but as a whole, South Florida is at or very near the top in the American when it comes to talent. This team has more then just youth issues. Everyone can see it. I will not make any excuses. I see it and am pissed off.

I can tell you for sure that MARK HARLAN see's the issues......

Maybe some day you'll realize that a recruiting service ranking doesn't translate to production or wins on the field.

I do realize it. My point is that, that's the same measurable used to define the team at every turn. The fact is, it isn't just youth causing this.

Perhaps I worded my retort inappropriately. I meant that our recruiting classes have stacked up favorable when you utilize the silly numerical scale system. It's inaccurate and I've never put much stock in them. You can check all my posts and I've made perhaps 3 or 4 recruiting posts and those were more about the number of recruits and their positions and not so much their ratings.

The fact is there are literally hundreds of posts about the athletes ratings on this site. Ratings mean nothing! Performance should be the only indicator. By that measure this team has failed on a colossal scale.

Here is another thing you must take about recruiting. What positions are we recruiting well in and which are we not?
I think you would agree that QB recruiting has been abysmal at USF and we haven't developed anyone. I think OLine recruiting hasn't been great. Doesn't help that we went from a spread under Leavitt to them more of a pro set under Skip and now the west coast offense. Each needs a different type of talent so when you look at the recruiting in key positions and then three different styles in past 5-6 years that explains many of the struggles you see now.
I know our fan base wants quick results but unless you step in with talent that matches your system it will take time. Now many say well then WT should change his system. Why should he? He needs to establish his system and recruits his guys and jets see what happens but if we fire him and bring a spread guy we will struggle for more years as those type of players are recruited

(10-27-2014 07:18 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Here is another thing you must take about recruiting. What positions are we recruiting well in and which are we not?
I think you would agree that QB recruiting has been abysmal at USF and we haven't developed anyone. I think OLine recruiting hasn't been great. Doesn't help that we went from a spread under Leavitt to them more of a pro set under Skip and now the west coast offense. Each needs a different type of talent so when you look at the recruiting in key positions and then three different styles in past 5-6 years that explains many of the struggles you see now.
I know our fan base wants quick results but unless you step in with talent that matches your system it will take time. Now many say well then WT should change his system. Why should he? He needs to establish his system and recruits his guys and jets see what happens but if we fire him and bring a spread guy we will struggle for more years as those type of players are recruited

First off, I understand the changes in systems and all that it brings with it.

Let me ask you some thing. When you played football in your neighborhood, did it matter what you played. Every kid growing up who has ever played football has learned how to play man on man or zone defense. For some reason, our team can't do either correctly. As for the offense, none of our players seem to know how to catch a ball consistently. Yes even Davis has had his drops. I don't know if you have checked but doing the math on a catch vs pass basis, the entire team is below 40% for the year. That's inexcusable.

If you go by your way of thinking, we need to recruit new WR's, TE's, O-Line, CB', a couple more DB's and several QB's. If that is the case then this staff has been recruiting the wrong players all along.

Sorry, I'm just not buying it. Performance is something you can see right away. You don't have to see the wins but, you can see the grasping of the system and the progress. There has been no notable progress. Flashes of part of a well played game but, then epic fails.

Yes I'm angry, I'm sick and enough it enough. I will go on record and state that if this team isn't showing a huge leap in progress by the middle of next year, Taggart will be gone. "BOOK IT!"

It's pointless trying to have a discussion with you. You are angry and have made up your mind.

Let me give you a tip you will continue being angry this year because this team will have its ups and downs.

(10-27-2014 07:48 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  It's pointless trying to have a discussion with you. You are angry and have made up your mind.

Let me give you a tip you will continue being angry this year because this team will have its ups and downs.

I look forward to basketball season. At least there, we're expected to suck. We won't and will surprise many but, that's a different subject.

Mark my last post and note what I said. It is true and time will tell which will be the result. We will win or we will have a new coach.

(10-27-2014 07:52 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(10-27-2014 07:48 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  It's pointless trying to have a discussion with you. You are angry and have made up your mind.

Let me give you a tip you will continue being angry this year because this team will have its ups and downs.

I look forward to basketball season. At least there, we're expected to suck. We won't and will surprise many but, that's a different subject.

Mark my last post and note what I said. It is true and time will tell which will be the result. We will win or we will have a new coach.

WT will win 4 maybe 5 games this year. If he does that and then gets 7-8 wins next year. He will remain our coach.

Sorry if you felt that this team was better than 4-8 or 5-7 and coming from a 3-9 with a better QB in BJ and then 2-10 and dropping to an FCS there has been improvement just not as much as many fans want to see

(10-27-2014 04:51 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Thanks everyone for your concern. Yes I can look back now and have laugh at most of the events that happened Friday night but it was scary when it was happening.

Now about USF, a lot of the inconsistency can be pointed at inexperienced, we had a ton of guys playing last week that are making their first or second year start at those positions and that hurts.

QB is a problem, White is really a kid that in mat schools would have been a project and might have started to really see playing ime in his junior year. Bench us tough but very limited and Flowers is athletic but we all knew that throwing wise he is not there yet. The fact that we have all three playing tells you the dire circumstances at QB at USF. I think that WT keeps playing White because passing wise he us right now the best of the three, the problem with Mike is leadership and maturity and he spooks easily which leads to mistakes.
No stud QB is magically going to appear at USF do even if we get some talented freshmen or JUCO they will need time to grow into the position, so the best we can hope for is to strengthen the offensive talent around the QB so he doesn't have to win the games by himself.
We all want to win now. But the facts are that when we are starting freshmen not even redshirt freshmen at many positions they are going to make dumb mistakes and be up and down.
It will take time at USF, as I keep repeating this is a 4-8, 5-7 team at best this year so I'm surprised when many are shocked that we have crappy games vs more talented and experienced teams.

(10-27-2014 07:56 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(10-27-2014 07:52 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(10-27-2014 07:48 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  It's pointless trying to have a discussion with you. You are angry and have made up your mind.

Let me give you a tip you will continue being angry this year because this team will have its ups and downs.

I look forward to basketball season. At least there, we're expected to suck. We won't and will surprise many but, that's a different subject.

Mark my last post and note what I said. It is true and time will tell which will be the result. We will win or we will have a new coach.

WT will win 4 maybe 5 games this year. If he does that and then gets 7-8 wins next year. He will remain our coach.

Sorry if you felt that this team was better than 4-8 or 5-7 and coming from a 3-9 with a better QB in BJ and then 2-10 and dropping to an FCS there has been improvement just not as much as many fans want to see

USF wins maybe two more games (max) this season.



But, I have to say, the 2014 USF team would beat the 2013 USF team. Hands Down.