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4th Ebola Case Confirmed (NYC)
This case is unrelated to any of the previous three. A Doctor who returned from Guinea on Oct 17. He was self monitoring and developed a fever today.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/23/health/new...index.html

NYC had already trained 8 hospitals to deal with Ebola after the Dallas incident. He is in one of those. Fiancé and a couple friends are under mandatory quarantine as a precaution.

He did use public transportation earlier in the week, but was not symptomatic. Went Bowling Wednesday. CDC is tracing, though they are stressing that there is no danger.
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Yes, if I just arrived from West Africa after directly treating Ebola patients, I would hang out extensively with friends and family. I'd also get out in public with the 8 million other New Yorkers.
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(10-23-2014 10:55 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Yes, if I just arrived from West Africa after directly treating Ebola patients, I would hang out extensively with friends and family. I'd also get out in public with the 8 million other New Yorkers.

I'd be more worried if he did that while vomiting. In the Texas Case, the original patient exposed like 50 people directly while he was symptomatic, and not a single one developed the virus. He wasn't symptomatic. The odds are miniscule.
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(10-23-2014 11:07 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(10-23-2014 10:55 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Yes, if I just arrived from West Africa after directly treating Ebola patients, I would hang out extensively with friends and family. I'd also get out in public with the 8 million other New Yorkers.

I'd be more worried if he did that while vomiting. In the Texas Case, the original patient exposed like 50 people directly while he was symptomatic, and not a single one developed the virus. He wasn't symptomatic. The odds are miniscule.

this is an excellent point. the dallas case was the worst case scenario and outside of the nurses there weren't any other victims.
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(10-23-2014 10:55 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Yes, if I just arrived from West Africa after directly treating Ebola patients, I would hang out extensively with friends and family. I'd also get out in public with the 8 million other New Yorkers.

^ what a chicken little...THE SKY IS FALLING!

He's a very brave Dr going over there trying to help.
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(10-23-2014 11:13 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(10-23-2014 10:55 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Yes, if I just arrived from West Africa after directly treating Ebola patients, I would hang out extensively with friends and family. I'd also get out in public with the 8 million other New Yorkers.

^ what a chicken little...THE SKY IS FALLING!

He's a very brave Dr going over there trying to help.

Yes, he was noble and brave for going to Africa and treating those patients. But he was a moron for not being more careful once he came home.
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(10-23-2014 11:17 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  
(10-23-2014 11:13 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(10-23-2014 10:55 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Yes, if I just arrived from West Africa after directly treating Ebola patients, I would hang out extensively with friends and family. I'd also get out in public with the 8 million other New Yorkers.

^ what a chicken little...THE SKY IS FALLING!

He's a very brave Dr going over there trying to help.

Yes, he was noble and brave for going to Africa and treating those patients. But he was a moron for not being more careful once he came home.

He didn't have symptoms...when he did, he called it in.
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(10-23-2014 11:17 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  
(10-23-2014 11:13 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(10-23-2014 10:55 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Yes, if I just arrived from West Africa after directly treating Ebola patients, I would hang out extensively with friends and family. I'd also get out in public with the 8 million other New Yorkers.

^ what a chicken little...THE SKY IS FALLING!

He's a very brave Dr going over there trying to help.

Yes, he was noble and brave for going to Africa and treating those patients. But he was a moron for not being more careful once he came home.


He followed every protocol given to him. He did not go to work, he checked his temperature twice a day, he even limited his own movements somewhat, but there is no procedure requiring a mandatory quarantine.
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We are all lucky this virus isn't more contagious. It does not seem like we could prevent the spread of it.
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How refreshing that there is no fear mongering in this thread. There is hope for this forum After all.

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(10-23-2014 11:23 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(10-23-2014 11:17 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  
(10-23-2014 11:13 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(10-23-2014 10:55 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Yes, if I just arrived from West Africa after directly treating Ebola patients, I would hang out extensively with friends and family. I'd also get out in public with the 8 million other New Yorkers.

^ what a chicken little...THE SKY IS FALLING!

He's a very brave Dr going over there trying to help.

Yes, he was noble and brave for going to Africa and treating those patients. But he was a moron for not being more careful once he came home.


He followed every protocol given to him. He did not go to work, he checked his temperature twice a day, he even limited his own movements somewhat, but there is no procedure requiring a mandatory quarantine.

Just because there is no mandatory quarantine doesn't mean it wouldn't be a wise thing to do. He was bowling with friends just a few hours before his temperature went to 103.

The nurse that flew from Cleveland to Dallas with a temp of 99.5 didn't violate any rules either. But that wasn't a smart thing to do. She could have sneezed during that flight.

People are just determined to do what they want to do, regardless of the consequences to others.
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You aren't contagious until after you start to show symptoms.

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(10-23-2014 11:45 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  
(10-23-2014 11:23 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(10-23-2014 11:17 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  
(10-23-2014 11:13 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(10-23-2014 10:55 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Yes, if I just arrived from West Africa after directly treating Ebola patients, I would hang out extensively with friends and family. I'd also get out in public with the 8 million other New Yorkers.

^ what a chicken little...THE SKY IS FALLING!

He's a very brave Dr going over there trying to help.

Yes, he was noble and brave for going to Africa and treating those patients. But he was a moron for not being more careful once he came home.


He followed every protocol given to him. He did not go to work, he checked his temperature twice a day, he even limited his own movements somewhat, but there is no procedure requiring a mandatory quarantine.

Just because there is no mandatory quarantine doesn't mean it wouldn't be a wise thing to do. He was bowling with friends just a few hours before his temperature went to 103.

The nurse that flew from Cleveland to Dallas with a temp of 99.5 didn't violate any rules either. But that wasn't a smart thing to do. She could have sneezed during that flight.

People are just determined to do what they want to do, regardless of the consequences to others.

Even if she did sneeze, its highly unlikely she would have been contagious. Its been proven over and over again, this virus is at its most contagious when a person is dead or dying. Heck, the Western World has yet to have a confirmed case in which someone contracted the disease from a person who inevitably survived the virus.

Now if a Dying Man got on an airplane...we might have an issue.
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(10-23-2014 10:55 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Yes, if I just arrived from West Africa after directly treating Ebola patients, I would hang out extensively with friends and family. I'd also get out in public with the 8 million other New Yorkers.

lmfao....XACLY! the guy is 33....a 'doctor' that is white and lives in harlem....ummmmkay, what does that say on paper? ....probably not the brightest bulb in the pack....

just to go further with the lunacy of idiocy, the donald's tweets regarding this are beyond funny....

the sadistic part of me wishes this was an airborne disease.....it would solve a many a problem....
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Run for the hills!!! Run for the hills!!
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Not saying it's time to start crapping your pants or anything, but are you guys confident that this disease is as well understood as the CDC says it is? I'm not.
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(10-23-2014 11:25 PM)PlainTiger Wrote:  We are all lucky this virus isn't more contagious. It does not seem like we could prevent the spread of it.

The response would be different if it were more contagious. The response is tempered by what is medically necessary, which is "just go to the hospital if your temp gets above X". That's really what makes medical sense with what we know of this disease. The Public Policy response should be stronger due to the irrational fear of this disease, the fact that it seems to have < 50% survival rate, and the unreasonable expectation that everything be sanitized following the path of a patient.

That's why it's prudent, but not medically necessary, to self-quarantine for 3 weeks when you're in a group that's at all likely to contract the disease - and that includes family, doctors, nurses, and people that handle and dispose of the bodies (noting this is particularly a problem in Africa due to local custom).

Thus, to UConn-SMU's point below, which I largely agree with, if for slightly different reasons. The cost of running around behind everyone in Hazmat suits with bleach bottles is prohibitive, and the guidelines should reflect that. It should also be something that's made clear to those in Doctors Without Borders and local medical staff.

Likewise, as a public policy matter, I think it's also important to understand that those people that are at risk are mostly people that are voluntarily putting their own lives at risk to serve a greater cause and the public policy guidelines will dictate things that then impose a further cost to them. They may have vacations that they have to cancel, salary, etc, that I think should be compensated in order to ensure compliance. I'd wager that's a lot cheaper than the alternative, by a long shot.

(10-23-2014 11:45 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Just because there is no mandatory quarantine doesn't mean it wouldn't be a wise thing to do. He was bowling with friends just a few hours before his temperature went to 103.

The nurse that flew from Cleveland to Dallas with a temp of 99.5 didn't violate any rules either. But that wasn't a smart thing to do. She could have sneezed during that flight.

People are just determined to do what they want to do, regardless of the consequences to others.
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(10-24-2014 08:37 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Not saying it's time to start crapping your pants or anything, but are you guys confident that this disease is as well understood as the CDC says it is? I'm not.

With as many mistakes as there were in the Dallas case, it looks like it will have run its course with only two additional infections after the initial patient, and (hopefully) zero additional deaths. Those two additional infections should not happen in the next case if folks learn their lesson from it.

So, to answer your question, yes, I'm confident, so long as it doesn't change with increasing infection in Africa. I think what would be required for it to change its current nature would be for the current outbreak is not put under control within a few months, or to become an endemic problem in Africa. I doubt that it would become a disease that could be spread from a cough, but it could spread a lot further by becoming a less deadly disease.
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You should be way more fearful of that cigarette you're smoking, that soda you're drinking and those french fries you're eating.
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(10-24-2014 08:37 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Not saying it's time to start crapping your pants or anything, but are you guys confident that this disease is as well understood as the CDC says it is? I'm not.

Why not? It's been around for years?

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