(10-23-2014 08:17 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  Tech will be joining us in the CAA shortly. I've seen bad Tech teams in the early 90's, but holy crap they're so bad right now.

Yeah, it's clear they are not getting the talent level they were in the late 90s and first half of the 2000s. I'm really not sure why they gave Beamer that long extension when their program is on the downswing. They did beat OSU in Columbus and looking at them now, I'm really not sure how that happened. It's almost similar to how we beat them a few years ago.

(10-23-2014 08:59 PM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  

(10-23-2014 08:17 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  Tech will be joining us in the CAA shortly. I've seen bad Tech teams in the early 90's, but holy crap they're so bad right now.

Yeah, it's clear they are not getting the talent level they were in the late 90s and first half of the 2000s. I'm really not sure why they gave Beamer that long extension when their program is on the downswing. They did beat OSU in Columbus and looking at them now, I'm really not sure how that happened. It's almost similar to how we beat them a few years ago.

I'm no fan of Tech, but this is painful for anyone who remembers the invincible Tech Thursday's. I spent many a weekend diwn there visiting friends when JMU football was racking up 2-9 and 5-7 seasons.

Thing is, Miami is nowhere near the program it used to be and they came in and slapped them around. Miami isn't even ranked and is having a hard time recruiting when the play at at a stadium that is nowhere near Miami. The Tech program is in trouble. As I said, no idea why they would give Beamer an extension of that length.

(10-23-2014 12:46 PM)TXGiant Wrote:  

(10-23-2014 12:38 PM)JMUETC Wrote:  

(10-23-2014 12:11 PM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  

(10-23-2014 06:43 AM)Purplehazed Wrote:  Leaders don't sit in a position with tied hands for twenty years. If it's strategically the right move and the boss says no, you move on to a better situation. Your claim is exactly why I refer to Bourne as a squatter which is exactly what he is if you are correct. The "I want it but I can't" back and forth between king/rose/alger/bourne is weak leadership, there is no blaming the invisible man at their pay grades.

Exactly. If your bosses don't listen to your advice on something you're supposed to be an expert on for 20 years, you f'ing leave.

While I agree with this premise, I'm gonna stick up for Bourne a bit. I would not blame him if it has gone down something like this.

He came in 1999 and probably figured he puts in a solid 10 years to solidify his AD resume, the possible stepping stone to a better gig. 5 years in, MM wins the NC and a move up is in the discussion. A bit after that the idea for BFS is hatched and he probably thinks it's inevitable. After 10 years he begins to push Rose a bit on moving up. Rose is doing his own looking into the future and thinks to himself "I've done nothing controversial in the last 10 years and I'm 3 years from retirement, why start now". He tells Bourne no FBS. Bourne takes a year to gather data and talk Rose into it. At some point he realizes he can't flip Rose but also that Rose will be gone soon. He has high hopes for the new president so he sticks around, not telling anyone to take the job and shove it. New President comes aboard. Bourne see's things moving quickly, knows he needs to get on it, has ODU guy working him to get on it. Alger says "I would love to chat with you about that but I have a listening tour scheduled, let's table that for 2 years". Bourne sees the FBS conference doors closing. My guess is now he sees that he has invested a lot of time and is as close to making this happen as he ever has, he just needs the invite from someone other than SBC. He is now in no mans land while JMU waits. He may very well believe they will move if an invite comes, but he has no idea if/when an invite will come.

Hard to blame the guy for not leaving JMU on primciple given how things have gone down. He is just like the pro FBS folks who still give and hang out on these boards, myself included.

I think that's a reasonable scenario.


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(10-23-2014 07:09 AM)Centdukesfan Wrote:  Posters like purple hazed and dukeman make this board pretty unreadable at most times. There is no variance in their posts, its just the same rehashed criticisms of the admin a lot of people feel, just on repeat.

I honestly think its because we lack another fan base to talk trash to. We have no common enemy to rail against. No ODU, no mason, no vcu. WM and UD are still left i suppose. Every other fan base either A) has no fans or B) has no standing to even come over here. Life was a lot more fun when all we did was talk trash to other schools.

That's true. Our competitors have moved on, so we have no rivals left, unless of course you want to count Delaware, who kicked our asses at home. (We are going to absolutely DOMINATE ODAC!)

So, what you are saying is that Purplehazed is right. If we had moved up with our old rivals we would still be trash talking their sorry asses.

(10-24-2014 01:08 AM)bulldogg Wrote:  

(10-23-2014 07:09 AM)Centdukesfan Wrote:  Posters like purple hazed and dukeman make this board pretty unreadable at most times. There is no variance in their posts, its just the same rehashed criticisms of the admin a lot of people feel, just on repeat.

I honestly think its because we lack another fan base to talk trash to. We have no common enemy to rail against. No ODU, no mason, no vcu. WM and UD are still left i suppose. Every other fan base either A) has no fans or B) has no standing to even come over here. Life was a lot more fun when all we did was talk trash to other schools.

That's true. Our competitors have moved on, so we have no rivals left, unless of course you want to count Delaware, who kicked our asses at home. (We are going to absolutely DOMINATE ODAC!)

So, what you are saying is that Purplehazed is right. If we had moved up with our old rivals we would still be trash talking their sorry asses.

In all fairness, VCU and Mason moved to a more basketball-centric conference so really the only rival you could have 'kept' by moving up would have been ODU anyway.

You would have the same opportunity to play/interact with Mason and VCU with JMU in FBS as you do now with JMU in FCS.

You still have UR, W&M, and UD who were all your main football rivals for decades. Playing ODU a couple of games didn't change that.

Its less about rivals, and more about having fans to talk trash to and collectively hate, now I just hate our own, like purplehazed

That was one of the nice things about the old CAA, but that was a very rare thing to have so many big state schools with large alumni/fan bases in the same state all a couple of hours away from each other. Different athletic priorities and visions among the institutions doomed that from ever being a sustained long-term reality.

Don't think there is much JMU could have done about that regardless of whether they moved up to FBS or not. I don't think C-USA was ever a real possibility for JMU but even if JMU had moved up to say the MAC, having ODU, Mason, and VCU in different conferences would have taken the edge off of any fan interaction regardless.

OOC games would never have the same intensity or relevance to fans that conference games with titles and seeding on the line would. That was completely out of JMU's control no matter what kind of leadership JMU had in the past or has now.

From where I stand though, FRS and Richmond should always be able to be hate-worthy for you guys. 90% of UD's fanbase might be six-feet under in 5 years, but they should be too. W&M is just kind of blah as a fan base if you're trying to trash talk so I get that.

(10-24-2014 01:41 AM)Centdukesfan Wrote:  Its less about rivals, and more about having fans to talk trash to and collectively hate, now I just hate our own, like purplehazed

So you're going to spend your hate cycles against our own fans who are pissed off that our administration was/is asleep at the wheel? That makes makes perfect sense!!! It's all the fault of PurpleHazed.

(10-23-2014 10:45 PM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  Thing is, Miami is nowhere near the program it used to be and they came in and slapped them around. Miami isn't even ranked and is having a hard time recruiting when the play at at a stadium that is nowhere near Miami. The Tech program is in trouble. As I said, no idea why they would give Beamer an extension of that length.

The extension for Beamer was just smoke and mirrors for recruiting purposes. He will not be paid a buyout at the end of this season when he "retires." Shane will not be the successor to his father. Other than that, I don't have any further information to share... Well maybe one more thing- I am sick and tired of Hokie fans still blaming Kurt Newsome for their horrible offensive line. Kurt has been gone for 3 years now and last time I checked- he is doing one hell of a job as head coach at Emory and Henry.

Tech has failed to see what happened at Penn State and Florida State, two programs who held on to long time iconic coaches too long.

it is used against you in recruiting due to the uncertainty of the retirement of these coaches. Everyone knows it's coming soon, but doesn't know when. So no good recruits (or at least, not enough to be a top 25 team) are going to commit 4-5 years to a program when they have a reasonable belief that there will be a coaching change during that tenure.

once FSU moved on from Bowden, they quickly moved back to the elite because that uncertainty was removed. The same will happen at Penn State when they get out from under the shadows of the scandal.

I would imagine the sooner Tech moves on from Beamer, the sooner they can get back to a top 25 program (they were never elite, despite what their delusional fans think).

(10-24-2014 02:11 AM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 01:41 AM)Centdukesfan Wrote:  Its less about rivals, and more about having fans to talk trash to and collectively hate, now I just hate our own, like purplehazed

So you're going to spend your hate cycles against our own fans who are pissed off that our administration was/is asleep at the wheel? That makes makes perfect sense!!! It's all the fault of PurpleHazed.

Double D, you come on here and gripe about poor decisions made by our administration, but there is a huge reason why you aren't lumped in with PurpleHazed. You actually add value to this board by speaking on a whole bunch of topics. When the topic is predictions, you make predictions, when the topic is new buildings at JMU, you talk about new buildings at JMU etc.
PurpleHazed takes damn near every thread, every topic, every conversation that someone wants to have on here, and makes it his own personal gripe. He is actually a pretty amazing wordsmith at this point. He can turn anything JMU into blame one of four guys. The problem is everyone on here knows how he feels, and so what he doesn't realize is that he is wasting his time trying to get his point through because WE ALL GET IT.
When someone has a legit question, or conversation, and they come on here for feedback, and guys Hijack the thread time and again, they will simply leave. That means I no longer get to have great conversation with that poster. Cent has been around long enough to know, who we have lost, and why we have lost them. We have lost FAR more posters on this board from the constant negativity, than we have from frustration with the administration.
Start your own gripe thread, or just head on over to the ever expanding 5,000,000 square foot gripe dome that is the newest conference rumor thread. There are plenty of accepting places on here to whine, and have it be ok

i thought purplehazed was going to take some time off of the boards because spending time yelling on the internet was bad for his/her health?

The VCU guy doesn't even go here and he can see that the long-lost "rivals" argument in VCU/GMU/ODU/GSU is an absurd cry to make.

If it makes y'all feel any better, You're number one on my personal list of schools that I'd want to share a conference with.

(10-24-2014 02:06 AM)VCUfan Wrote:  Don't think there is much JMU could have done about that regardless of whether they moved up to FBS or not. I don't think C-USA was ever a real possibility for JMU but even if JMU had moved up to say the MAC, having ODU, Mason, and VCU in different conferences would have taken the edge off of any fan interaction regardless.

I don't know. I'm an ODU fan and I still hate VCU with the fire of a million burning suns.

(10-24-2014 11:43 AM)djnva Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 02:06 AM)VCUfan Wrote:  Don't think there is much JMU could have done about that regardless of whether they moved up to FBS or not. I don't think C-USA was ever a real possibility for JMU but even if JMU had moved up to say the MAC, having ODU, Mason, and VCU in different conferences would have taken the edge off of any fan interaction regardless.

I don't know. I'm an ODU fan and I still hate VCU with the fire of a million burning suns.

Cheers. I salute the hatred. Great rivalry over the years but the passion will definitely wane and it already has for many. With VCU having Richmond, Mason, GW, and now Davidson as basketball-centric and geographical rivals, ODU inevitably moves down the totem poll since we play all of them at least twice with conference implications on the line and we'll only ever play ODU once a year in a non-conference game that means little to nothing for our season.

ODU being more competitive would also probably help, and it looks like Jeff Jones has you guys on your way.

Lemme get this right. We CURRENTLY have W&M, ODU, VCU, UNCC, App St., Richmond, GMU, Ark St, Miami OH, and Akron represented on this board right now?!

Wow.

-that's impressive-

(10-24-2014 12:53 PM)boozeANDammo Wrote:  Lemme get this right. We CURRENTLY have W&M, ODU, VCU, UNCC, App St., Richmond, GMU, Ark St, Miami OH, and Akron represented on this board right now?!

Wow.

-that's impressive-

Sounds like the making of a new conference!

(10-24-2014 12:53 PM)boozeANDammo Wrote:  Lemme get this right. We CURRENTLY have W&M, ODU, VCU, UNCC, App St., Richmond, GMU, Ark St, Miami OH, and Akron represented on this board right now?!

Wow.

-that's impressive-

Pretty sure the latest missive from our ole pal Jeffrey piqued their interest.

/ducks/

(10-24-2014 12:48 PM)VCUfan Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 11:43 AM)djnva Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 02:06 AM)VCUfan Wrote:  Don't think there is much JMU could have done about that regardless of whether they moved up to FBS or not. I don't think C-USA was ever a real possibility for JMU but even if JMU had moved up to say the MAC, having ODU, Mason, and VCU in different conferences would have taken the edge off of any fan interaction regardless.

I don't know. I'm an ODU fan and I still hate VCU with the fire of a million burning suns.

Cheers. I salute the hatred. Great rivalry over the years but the passion will definitely wane and it already has for many. With VCU having Richmond, Mason, GW, and now Davidson as basketball-centric and geographical rivals, ODU inevitably moves down the totem poll since we play all of them at least twice with conference implications on the line and we'll only ever play ODU once a year in a non-conference game that means little to nothing for our season.

ODU being more competitive would also probably help, and it looks like Jeff Jones has you guys on your way.

The A-10 is a nice conference and you all have already profited off an increased basketball profile. It's sad to say but you are absolutely correct, VCU vs. ODU will wane as the years go on but for now the bad blood remains and will for awhile. Oh, and we will be competitive this year, be assured of that. Can't wait to see the Rams lose in Norfolk.

(Sorry for bringing up a non-JMU post on this board!)

However, in regards to JMU, I hope the Dukes will make the jump at some point. Having an in-state football rivalry would be fantastic but until the JMU prez decides to make a move it won't happen. Sad part is even if JMU decided to move today it wouldn't matter unless the move was to the Sun Belt. I don't think the Belt is that bad of a place to start in FBS, but if you all's admin has a different opinion then the CAA is going to be the home of JMU athletics for a decent amount of time. Pressure on your administration is going to the key for any FBS move.