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Internal UNC report on academic fraud is complete
Really bad stuff,

http://www.wralsportsfan.com/employee-di.../14104255/

plenty of articles out there today.
 
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(10-22-2014 04:45 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Really bad stuff,

http://www.wralsportsfan.com/employee-di.../14104255/

plenty of articles out there today.

Of course, Roy Williams had no idea.

"...Wainstein's staff reviewed records dating to the 1980s and interviewed 126 people, including men's basketball coach Roy Williams, who said he trusted the school 'to put on legitimate classes,' according to the report.

Former basketball player Rashad McCants, who told ESPN in June that tutors wrote research papers for him and that Williams was aware that of no-show classes, didn't respond to numerous requests for interviews, according to the report....
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Published: 12:18 EST, 22 October 2014 | Updated: 16:55 EST, 22 October 2014
 
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If SMU deserved the "Death Penalty" so does UNC. I seriously doubt anything will happen beyond "The changes made by UNC will correct the issues uncovered, going forward. The NCAA will monitor compliance."

Bull Dung, Bull Dung.
 
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(10-22-2014 05:48 PM)dossbig Wrote:  If SMU deserved the "Death Penalty" so does UNC. I seriously doubt anything will happen beyond "The changes made by UNC will correct the issues uncovered, going forward. The NCAA will monitor compliance."

Bull Dung, Bull Dung.

The NCAA got rid of the Death Penalty. Cost em too much money.
 
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(10-22-2014 06:56 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  
(10-22-2014 05:48 PM)dossbig Wrote:  If SMU deserved the "Death Penalty" so does UNC. I seriously doubt anything will happen beyond "The changes made by UNC will correct the issues uncovered, going forward. The NCAA will monitor compliance."

Bull Dung, Bull Dung.

The NCAA got rid of the Death Penalty. Cost em too much money.

Pediphile Sex U (PSU) came close to getting it, and should have.
 
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(10-22-2014 10:48 PM)dossbig Wrote:  
(10-22-2014 06:56 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  
(10-22-2014 05:48 PM)dossbig Wrote:  If SMU deserved the "Death Penalty" so does UNC. I seriously doubt anything will happen beyond "The changes made by UNC will correct the issues uncovered, going forward. The NCAA will monitor compliance."

Bull Dung, Bull Dung.

The NCAA got rid of the Death Penalty. Cost em too much money.

Pediphile Sex U (PSU) came close to getting it, and should have.

Pfft. They just wiped their slate clean over there. Realized it was too big a hit in the wallet.
 
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As history has worked out, UNC-Wilmington and North Carolina Central are about to get the hammer from the NCAA.
 
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The bogus classes were for more than just athletes. The "no show", "no prof" classes were available to thousands of students.

So..........

If you are interviewing two candidates who are "equal", one of them graduated from UNC and the other from a different school, do you as an interviewer take into account that the UNC degree MIGHT be bogus and give an order to the non-UNC grad?

If so..........

UNC has tainted the degrees of many 1000's of students. The slate needs to be wiped clean of the majority of UNC's senior leadership -- including the coaches.
 
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Listened to their AD on Dan Patrick show. The guy couldn't give a straight answer to a single question. Says he is unaware of any punishment. He would not answer whether self imposed sanctions were being imposed. At the end of the interview DP said, I know you have better things to do (paraphrasing).
 
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Well least we wont have to hear how much of a class act UNC is from dukie V during broadcasts now...
 
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(10-23-2014 10:49 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Well least we wont have to hear how much of a class act UNC is from dukie V during broadcasts now...

Would you like to place a wager on that?
 
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(10-22-2014 11:51 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  
(10-22-2014 10:48 PM)dossbig Wrote:  
(10-22-2014 06:56 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  
(10-22-2014 05:48 PM)dossbig Wrote:  If SMU deserved the "Death Penalty" so does UNC. I seriously doubt anything will happen beyond "The changes made by UNC will correct the issues uncovered, going forward. The NCAA will monitor compliance."

Bull Dung, Bull Dung.

The NCAA got rid of the Death Penalty. Cost em too much money.

Pediphile Sex U (PSU) came close to getting it, and should have.

Pfft. They just wiped their slate clean over there. Realized it was too big a hit in the wallet.

i.e. too big to fail...
 
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(10-23-2014 11:43 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  
(10-23-2014 10:49 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Well least we wont have to hear how much of a class act UNC is from dukie V during broadcasts now...

Would you like to place a wager on that?

Not me.

Funny as hell how a lot of people on that ACC board turn up their snoots about UC. Perhaps it ought to be the other way around.
 
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(10-23-2014 11:54 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  
(10-23-2014 11:43 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  
(10-23-2014 10:49 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Well least we wont have to hear how much of a class act UNC is from dukie V during broadcasts now...

Would you like to place a wager on that?

Not me.

Funny as hell how a lot of people on that ACC board turn up their snoots about UC. Perhaps it ought to be the other way around.

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Lack of oversight at UNC cited
Updated: October 23, 2014, 10:17 PM ET

RALEIGH, N.C. -- An alarming lack of institutional oversight at the University of North Carolina allowed an academic fraud scandal to run unchecked for nearly two decades and has the school reeling from the scandal's fallout.

The latest investigation found that university leaders, faculty members and staff missed or just ignored flags that could've stopped the problem years earlier. More than 3,100 students -- about half of them athletes -- benefited from sham classes and artificially high grades in the formerly named African and Afro-American Studies department (AFAM) in Chapel Hill.

A report by former U.S. Justice Department official Kenneth Wainstein indicates that the bogus classes ended in 2011. The university has since overhauled the department and implemented new policies, but it must wait to find out whether the damaging new details lead to more problems with the agency that accredits the school. The NCAA, which has reopened its investigation into academic misconduct, could also have concerns of lack of institutional control.

"Bad actions of a relatively few number of people were definitely compounded by inaction and the lack of really appropriate checks and balances," Chancellor Carol Folt said Thursday. "And it was together that really allowed this to persist for such a length of time."

The issues outlined in the report were jarring, including the clear involvement of athletic counselors who steered athletes into those bogus classes. From 1993 to 2011, those classes required no attendance and required only a research paper that received A's and B's without regard for quality, a cursory review often performed by an office secretary who also signed the chairman's name to grade rolls.

Those two people -- retired administrator Deborah Crowder and former chairman Julius Nyang'oro -- were at the center of the scheme. But Wainstein's report also notes school officials failed to act on their suspicions or specific concerns that came to their attention. It all added up to a series of missed chances to stop the fraud and instead allowed it to escalate.

Accreditation questions are now facing the university.

The Southern Association of Colleges and Schools' Commission on Colleges had placed the campus on its watch list until this summer and required the school to allow students who took a bogus course to take another for free. The commission will send the school a letter in the next few days asking administrators to demonstrate they are still in compliance with standards required for the seal of approval, commission president Belle Wheelan said.

"What we would do is ask them is, this is bigger than you thought it was, what are you going to do now? It's a mess," Wheelan said.

The school's response will be addressed by the 77-member board at its meeting in December, she said.

"We are interested in more than anything in making sure that the students don't run into problems trying to explain any degrees that they have after the fact as a result of this," Wheelan said.

The agency's core requirements for accrediting a degree-granting university include clear control over "all aspects of its educational program," including athletics. And the issue of institutional control could impact the NCAA probe, raise questions about what coaches knew and ultimately lead to possible wins and championships being vacated.

"If we go back with the NCAA in our joint review, and ... if we've identified that we have played students who were ineligible, then obviously we would have to vacate wins at that time," UNC athletic director Bubba Cunningham said. "But as long as the courses and the credits and everything count to the accrediting agency, we're very comfortable with our certification process -- that our students were eligible to compete when they competed."

The university's fate lies in someone else's hands now after a hands-off approach by administrators and autonomy for department chairs.

The AFAM department escaped external reviews required every five years because it lacked a graduate program. Nyang'oro was also exempt from peer reviews for tenured faculty because he was a department chairman.

Folt said she believed the school would've caught the fraud sooner if not for those since-removed exemptions.

The report points out there also were other chances to stop it.

Folt is holding everyone accountable.

"It really isn't something that you could look at as only one thing," the chancellor said. "It had the combination, and that's why we have to make sure we can't be complacent about it. We have to accept full responsibility for it."

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i call bs on "lack of oversight"....they knew what what was going on. If it's a few kids, ok. Its over 3000 kids. I call BS on this. Total BS. Classless cheaters sitting in an ivory tower eating scones and looking down on the likes of UC. Un-efing-real
 
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This is the NC flag ship school? Sounds like they hired a former Obama PR guy who told them to say:

1. We first heard it on TV and in the paper.

2. We are really made and will get to the bottom.

3. We will be transparent

4. We are going to put some people on paid leave

5. We are going to appoint a (czar or investigator, etc.) to manage the communication

6. We will blow smoke up your ass until this becomes yesterdays news at which time we will return to business as usual
 
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The breadth and depth of this scandal blows me away--especially from what is considered one of the top public research universities in the country with a "quality" reputation in athletics. This will make SEC schools blush.

Wrong is wrong but when I think of some of UC's comparatively minor transgressions through the years that received rigorous enforcement I truly hope justice is served upon the Tar Heels.
 
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(10-23-2014 10:38 PM)dossbig Wrote:  Sounds like they hired a former Obama PR guy

I'm going to tell you, and everyone else this one time. NO POLITICS in the sports topics.
 
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I remember reading a Season on the Brink about IU basketball. It was kinda the polar opposite of UNC.
Guys like Steve Alford were classes I believe were called A Core (really difficult) during basketball season
and studying on the plane between games and dodging objects thrown at them by Knight.
 
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