(10-22-2014 05:38 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

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(10-22-2014 05:07 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 04:50 PM)justin_sane15 Wrote:  Based on the results of many similar movements in other states, I wouldn't hold my breath.

I sincerely doubt it'll ever happen.

Oh come on!!!! Can you see all the morons who've called us Directional schools forever eating heaping steam piles of stuffed Crow!!!!

LOL. I like that the University of South Florida in that map us part of the state of South Florida

And UCF will be the old USF...geographically challenged.

(10-23-2014 09:52 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  At 69K+ students and the continuing expansion plans, at some point isn't UCF going to seriously become a pain in UF's rear regarding "flagship"?

Nope, cause as long as the UF grads keep getting elected they will word things very carefully in all legislation to make certain their school gets the piece of the pie.

Its Such BS. There are FOUR Tier 1 research schools in the state and I tend to believe that all four should be getting better funding than the rest.

If y'all get to split, we wan't to split too. We split den.

(10-23-2014 10:49 PM)knightmite Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 05:38 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 05:10 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 05:07 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 04:50 PM)justin_sane15 Wrote:  Based on the results of many similar movements in other states, I wouldn't hold my breath.

I sincerely doubt it'll ever happen.

Oh come on!!!! Can you see all the morons who've called us Directional schools forever eating heaping steam piles of stuffed Crow!!!!

LOL. I like that the University of South Florida in that map us part of the state of South Florida

And UCF will be the old USF...geographically challenged.

But don't worry it won't affect your degree not the university it will only matter to internet trolls trying to talk smack

I find it hard to believe that USfs income freshman gap is a 4.0 and has an 1800 sat. There are more and more usf/Ucf grads in two of the most populous cities it won't last long.

USf says the average sat is 1200.

http://news.usf.edu/article/templates/?z=38&a=5660



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(10-24-2014 12:02 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  I find it hard to believe that USfs income freshman gap is a 4.0 and has an 1800 sat. There are more and more usf/Ucf grads in two of the most populous cities it won't last long.

USf says the average sat is 1200.

http://news.usf.edu/article/templates/?z=38&a=5660



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Your comparing the two part and three part. the Max score on the two part, which is what USFs score of 1200 is based on only has a max score of 1600. The baseline need of an 1800 is based on the three section and I believe has a top end of 2400.
As far as incoming SAT, our last two or three incoming classes have had an average of 4.0 Its gonna take time for the average to reach a 4, that's why I said it would take a few years.

Those two aren't the hard part. UCF and USF can both move that up very quickly by simply lowering the number of applicants they take...Notice USF used to have more students and now we have less. Its because we increased admission standards and took fewer in order to move the GPA and average test score up. I wouldn't doubt UCF does something similar soon. If I remember right, yall weren't that far off, so a minor change would net the results in just a few years.

UCFs biggest issue with getting to that status will be endowment. Last I checked your in the low 100s...something like $130 million. You need to be over $500 million to meet the criteria. USF is already at the low $400 million and growing fast because of our recent drive.

The other area UCF will have a while to hit is the research dollars. Again, your in the low $100 millions and it will take time (especially with how slow the grant writing process is) to get it up to the $400 plus mark it will take. USF is over $400 million already and has accomplished both those goals.

I am not certain about UCFs patents. Someone on here can tell me how many yall are getting each year. I don't know. USF is in the top 10 in the nation for patents, so that's another we have already accomplished.

When I say your further away, its not me baggin on UCF. You have to remember that when USF was formed in 1956 it was to be a research school. UCF was to support the sciences for NASA. We got a couple decade head start on research which has put us ahead in that category. With your growth, youll get there but it just is gonna take time.

(10-24-2014 12:39 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 12:02 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  I find it hard to believe that USfs income freshman gap is a 4.0 and has an 1800 sat. There are more and more usf/Ucf grads in two of the most populous cities it won't last long.

USf says the average sat is 1200.

http://news.usf.edu/article/templates/?z=38&a=5660



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Your comparing the two part and three part. the Max score on the two part, which is what USFs score of 1200 is based on only has a max score of 1600. The baseline need of an 1800 is based on the three section and I believe has a top end of 2400.
As far as incoming SAT, our last two or three incoming classes have had an average of 4.0 Its gonna take time for the average to reach a 4, that's why I said it would take a few years.

Those two aren't the hard part. UCF and USF can both move that up very quickly by simply lowering the number of applicants they take...Notice USF used to have more students and now we have less. Its because we increased admission standards and took fewer in order to move the GPA and average test score up. I wouldn't doubt UCF does something similar soon. If I remember right, yall weren't that far off, so a minor change would net the results in just a few years.

UCFs biggest issue with getting to that status will be endowment. Last I checked your in the low 100s...something like $130 million. You need to be over $500 million to meet the criteria. USF is already at the low $400 million and growing fast because of our recent drive.

The other area UCF will have a while to hit is the research dollars. Again, your in the low $100 millions and it will take time (especially with how slow the grant writing process is) to get it up to the $400 plus mark it will take. USF is over $400 million already and has accomplished both those goals.

I am not certain about UCFs patents. Someone on here can tell me how many yall are getting each year. I don't know. USF is in the top 10 in the nation for patents, so that's another we have already accomplished.

When I say your further away, its not me baggin on UCF. You have to remember that when USF was formed in 1956 it was to be a research school. UCF was to support the sciences for NASA. We got a couple decade head start on research which has put us ahead in that category. With your growth, youll get there but it just is gonna take time.

First of all great post and thank you for taking the time to write it. With regard to patents we had 72 last year and ranked number 21 in the country. We have increased that this year. We significantly increased research dollars in 2012 with roughly 129m and have stayed about there for this year. The endowment will come as our alumni age. Our average alum is 23 right now. That being said it was 135m last year. Last year we posted a 3.9 GPA, 1257 sat, and combined 1850. Looks like we are all right there. I would venture we would all qualify for flagship status in most states. Our class size hurts us in the world ranking all though our admission rate is relatively low. There are some changes in the undergrad program and in another year they will extend to the grad program. Basically there will be generalized degrees for those that can't meet the standards for there major. Some degrees like engineering will already have this and all standards will be tightened. In the short term it will reduce our grad rate but we have a feeder program with Valencia and have to tighten the screws in other ways.


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I wish Cincy could break off from the rest of Ohio...

(10-24-2014 12:55 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 12:39 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 12:02 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  I find it hard to believe that USfs income freshman gap is a 4.0 and has an 1800 sat. There are more and more usf/Ucf grads in two of the most populous cities it won't last long.

USf says the average sat is 1200.

http://news.usf.edu/article/templates/?z=38&a=5660



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Your comparing the two part and three part. the Max score on the two part, which is what USFs score of 1200 is based on only has a max score of 1600. The baseline need of an 1800 is based on the three section and I believe has a top end of 2400.
As far as incoming SAT, our last two or three incoming classes have had an average of 4.0 Its gonna take time for the average to reach a 4, that's why I said it would take a few years.

Those two aren't the hard part. UCF and USF can both move that up very quickly by simply lowering the number of applicants they take...Notice USF used to have more students and now we have less. Its because we increased admission standards and took fewer in order to move the GPA and average test score up. I wouldn't doubt UCF does something similar soon. If I remember right, yall weren't that far off, so a minor change would net the results in just a few years.

UCFs biggest issue with getting to that status will be endowment. Last I checked your in the low 100s...something like $130 million. You need to be over $500 million to meet the criteria. USF is already at the low $400 million and growing fast because of our recent drive.

The other area UCF will have a while to hit is the research dollars. Again, your in the low $100 millions and it will take time (especially with how slow the grant writing process is) to get it up to the $400 plus mark it will take. USF is over $400 million already and has accomplished both those goals.

I am not certain about UCFs patents. Someone on here can tell me how many yall are getting each year. I don't know. USF is in the top 10 in the nation for patents, so that's another we have already accomplished.

When I say your further away, its not me baggin on UCF. You have to remember that when USF was formed in 1956 it was to be a research school. UCF was to support the sciences for NASA. We got a couple decade head start on research which has put us ahead in that category. With your growth, youll get there but it just is gonna take time.

First of all great post and thank you for taking the time to write it. With regard to patents we had 72 last year and ranked number 21 in the country. We have increased that this year. We significantly increased research dollars in 2012 with roughly 129m and have stayed about there for this year. The endowment will come as our alumni age. Our average alum is 23 right now. That being said it was 135m last year. Last year we posted a 3.9 GPA, 1257 sat, and combined 1850. Looks like we are all right there. I would venture we would all qualify for flagship status in most states. Our class size hurts us in the world ranking all though our admission rate is relatively low. There are some changes in the undergrad program and in another year they will extend to the grad program. Basically there will be generalized degrees for those that can't meet the standards for there major. Some degrees like engineering will already have this and all standards will be tightened. In the short term it will reduce our grad rate but we have a feeder program with Valencia and have to tighten the screws in other ways.


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I honestly think that the UF grad that wrote the Pre-eminence bill specifically targeted research dollars in specific categories and Endowment because they take the longest to change.

Funny part is, originally the Endowment was going to be set closer to $700 million but FSU got upset because that would have been a second area they didn't meet (top 50 was the other) I also don't think they would have hit the Patents at the original level, which would have given them 9 out 0f 12 and they wouldn't have qualified.

So the UF guy got together with FSU and made the limits so that only those two would qualify and kept USF out... but they were ever so "kind" enough (oozing sarcasm) to leave it at levels that are attainable for us simple folk to attain one year.

(10-24-2014 12:39 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 12:02 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  I find it hard to believe that USfs income freshman gap is a 4.0 and has an 1800 sat. There are more and more usf/Ucf grads in two of the most populous cities it won't last long.

USf says the average sat is 1200.

http://news.usf.edu/article/templates/?z=38&a=5660



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Your comparing the two part and three part. the Max score on the two part, which is what USFs score of 1200 is based on only has a max score of 1600. The baseline need of an 1800 is based on the three section and I believe has a top end of 2400.
As far as incoming SAT, our last two or three incoming classes have had an average of 4.0 Its gonna take time for the average to reach a 4, that's why I said it would take a few years.

Those two aren't the hard part. UCF and USF can both move that up very quickly by simply lowering the number of applicants they take...Notice USF used to have more students and now we have less. Its because we increased admission standards and took fewer in order to move the GPA and average test score up. I wouldn't doubt UCF does something similar soon. If I remember right, yall weren't that far off, so a minor change would net the results in just a few years.

UCFs biggest issue with getting to that status will be endowment. Last I checked your in the low 100s...something like $130 million. You need to be over $500 million to meet the criteria. USF is already at the low $400 million and growing fast because of our recent drive.

The other area UCF will have a while to hit is the research dollars. Again, your in the low $100 millions and it will take time (especially with how slow the grant writing process is) to get it up to the $400 plus mark it will take. USF is over $400 million already and has accomplished both those goals.

I am not certain about UCFs patents. Someone on here can tell me how many yall are getting each year. I don't know. USF is in the top 10 in the nation for patents, so that's another we have already accomplished.

When I say your further away, its not me baggin on UCF. You have to remember that when USF was formed in 1956 it was to be a research school. UCF was to support the sciences for NASA. We got a couple decade head start on research which has put us ahead in that category. With your growth, youll get there but it just is gonna take time.

In 2010, UCF was ranked 3rd in patents, so we definitely go in and out of the top of the list.

http://spectrum.ieee.org/static/patentpower2010

(10-24-2014 04:15 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 12:39 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 12:02 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  I find it hard to believe that USfs income freshman gap is a 4.0 and has an 1800 sat. There are more and more usf/Ucf grads in two of the most populous cities it won't last long.

USf says the average sat is 1200.

http://news.usf.edu/article/templates/?z=38&a=5660



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Your comparing the two part and three part. the Max score on the two part, which is what USFs score of 1200 is based on only has a max score of 1600. The baseline need of an 1800 is based on the three section and I believe has a top end of 2400.
As far as incoming SAT, our last two or three incoming classes have had an average of 4.0 Its gonna take time for the average to reach a 4, that's why I said it would take a few years.

Those two aren't the hard part. UCF and USF can both move that up very quickly by simply lowering the number of applicants they take...Notice USF used to have more students and now we have less. Its because we increased admission standards and took fewer in order to move the GPA and average test score up. I wouldn't doubt UCF does something similar soon. If I remember right, yall weren't that far off, so a minor change would net the results in just a few years.

UCFs biggest issue with getting to that status will be endowment. Last I checked your in the low 100s...something like $130 million. You need to be over $500 million to meet the criteria. USF is already at the low $400 million and growing fast because of our recent drive.

The other area UCF will have a while to hit is the research dollars. Again, your in the low $100 millions and it will take time (especially with how slow the grant writing process is) to get it up to the $400 plus mark it will take. USF is over $400 million already and has accomplished both those goals.

I am not certain about UCFs patents. Someone on here can tell me how many yall are getting each year. I don't know. USF is in the top 10 in the nation for patents, so that's another we have already accomplished.

When I say your further away, its not me baggin on UCF. You have to remember that when USF was formed in 1956 it was to be a research school. UCF was to support the sciences for NASA. We got a couple decade head start on research which has put us ahead in that category. With your growth, youll get there but it just is gonna take time.

In 2010, UCF was ranked 3rd in patents, so we definitely go in and out of the top of the list.

http://spectrum.ieee.org/static/patentpower2010

We traditionally have but have been low on research dollars. Most of that was because profs weren't required to get projects before.


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