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P5 Undergraduate Enrollments
B1G
Ohio State 44,201
Penn State 40,085
Michigan State 37,988
Indiana 36,862
Minnesota 34,449
Rutgers 33,900
Illinois 32,695
Wisconsin 31,319
Purdue 29,440
Michigan 28,283
Maryland 26,658
Iowa 21,974
Nebraska 19,376
Northwestern 8,688

ACC
Florida State 32,528
NC State 24,536
Virginia Tech 24,034
Pittsburgh 18,615
North Carolina 18,370
Clemson 16,931
Virginia 16,087
Louisville 15,957
Syracuse 15,079
Georgia Tech 14,558
Miami 11,380
Notre Dame 8,477
Boston College 9,049
Duke 6,646
Wake Forest 4,823

SEC
Texas A&M 44,315
Florida 33,168
Alabama 29,440
Missouri 26,965
Georgia 26,278
LSU 24,923
South Carolina 24,180
Kentucky 21,441
Tennessee 21,182
Arkansas 21,009
Auburn 19,799
Ole Miss 16,667
Mississippi State 16,399
Vanderbilt 6,835

B12
Texas 39,979
Iowa State 27,659
Texas Tech 27,044
West Virginia 22,757
Oklahoma 21,118
Oklahoma State 20,493
Kansas State 20,169
Kansas 19,217
Baylor 13,292
TCU 8,640

PAC
Arizona State 38,735
Arizona 31,670
Washington 29,754
UCLA 28,674
Colorado 25,981
California 25,951
Utah 24,492
Oregon State 23,161
Washington State 23,070
Oregon 20,797
USC 18,455
Stanford 7,061
10-22-2014 12:52 PM
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RE: P5 Undergraduate Enrollments
UA has grown by leaps and bounds. In 2000 it had 19,000. The school would be better off if it returned to the smaller enrollment. Even when I was there it was overcrowded. The administration would sell 3500 parking passes for a lot with only 900 spots.
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RE: P5 Undergraduate Enrollments
Quick notes on the data.....

-Median B1G school has about 32,000 students while the median ACC has about 16,000.

-Virginia Tech and NC State look more like B1G sized schools than what UVA and UNC do.

-SEC might want to go in with Florida State and NC State based on enrollments.

-PAC should be looking at a Texas/Texas Tech combo not a Texas/Oklahoma combo to juice up enrollment numbers.
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RE: P5 Undergraduate Enrollments
Time for enrollment based realignment.

PAC (Texas, Texas Tech)
SEC ( FSU, NC State)
B1G (Virginia Tech, WVU)
ACC (Connecticut)
B12 (BYU, CSU, UNM)
AAC (Georgia St)
MWC (NMSU, UTEP)
CUSA (Louisiana)
SBC (Chattanooga)

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RE: P5 Undergraduate Enrollments
USF undergrad enrollment is larger than all but Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan State, Indiana, Texas A&M, Texas, and Arizona State.
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RE: P5 Undergraduate Enrollments
(10-22-2014 12:57 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Quick notes on the data.....

-Median B1G school has about 32,000 students while the median ACC has about 16,000.

-Virginia Tech and NC State look more like B1G sized schools than what UVA and UNC do.

-SEC might want to go in with Florida State and NC State based on enrollments.

-PAC should be looking at a Texas/Texas Tech combo not a Texas/Oklahoma combo to juice up enrollment numbers.

Explains some of the glue holding the ACC together. They have mostly small state flagships along with the privates. Maryland was the big outlier as an enormous state university.
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RE: P5 Undergraduate Enrollments
(10-22-2014 02:19 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(10-22-2014 12:57 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Quick notes on the data.....

-Median B1G school has about 32,000 students while the median ACC has about 16,000.

-Virginia Tech and NC State look more like B1G sized schools than what UVA and UNC do.

-SEC might want to go in with Florida State and NC State based on enrollments.

-PAC should be looking at a Texas/Texas Tech combo not a Texas/Oklahoma combo to juice up enrollment numbers.

Explains some of the glue holding the ACC together. They have mostly small state flagships along with the privates. Maryland was the big outlier as an enormous state university.

The relatively small size of UVa, VT, UNC, NCSU, and Clemson are due to the fact that the states of Va, NC, and SC chose an educational model that restricted the land grants (VT, NC State, Clemson) from offering some of the curriculum at UVa, UNC, or South Carolina - in particular medical, dental, nursing, and other professional schools and some liberal arts programs.

This is a model quite unlike Maryland, Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan State, etc.
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RE: P5 Undergraduate Enrollments
These undergrad numbers can be misleading. Half of the ACC is actually graduate education oriented, while BC, ND, Syracuse, WF, Miami - not so much:

UNC 10,800
Pitt 10,340
NCSU 9,500
FSU 8,400
VT 6,400
UVa 6,300

MD by comparison has 10,800 graduate students
Penn State just 6,100
Ohio State 13,265
Michigan State 11,350

It's at the graduate student level that you begin to have real comparisons to the B10 because it's the graduate students slaving to do the research.
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Lat time I looked, enrollment did not figure into the score of the games.
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RE: P5 Undergraduate Enrollments
(10-22-2014 03:09 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  These undergrad numbers can be misleading. Half of the ACC is actually graduate education oriented, while BC, ND, Syracuse, WF, Miami - not so much:

UNC 10,800
Pitt 10,340
NCSU 9,500
FSU 8,400
VT 6,400
UVa 6,300

MD by comparison has 10,800 graduate students
Penn State just 6,100
Ohio State 13,265
Michigan State 11,350

It's at the graduate student level that you begin to have real comparisons to the B10 because it's the graduate students slaving to do the research.

IIRC from earlier data, when you include grad students, the schools with the largest enrollment are Arizona State and Minnesota, and Ohio State is close to them. USC also goes way up on the list when you include grad students. I think USC has more grad students than undergrads.
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RE: P5 Undergraduate Enrollments
Out-of-State undergraduate tuition pricing for PAC-12 schools

UCLA 35,580
Washington 33,513
Colorado 33,151
Oregon 30,888
Arizona 28,379
Washington State 25,510
Utah 25,267
California 25,064
Oregon State 23,540
Arizona State 23,312

With 10k a year room and board its close to 180,000 to attend some of those schools as an out-of-state student.

California in-state tuition is around 13,000 dollars so I can see where if you wanted to become a teacher in Utah and get out of California where it might be worth paying an extra 12,000 a year especially if the cost of living is a few hundred dollars a month less.
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RE: P5 Undergraduate Enrollments
(10-22-2014 05:16 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Out-of-State undergraduate tuition pricing for PAC-12 schools

UCLA 35,580
Washington 33,513
Colorado 33,151
Oregon 30,888
Arizona 28,379
Washington State 25,510
Utah 25,267
California 25,064
Oregon State 23,540
Arizona State 23,312

With 10k a year room and board its close to 180,000 to attend some of those schools as an out-of-state student.

California in-state tuition is around 13,000 dollars so I can see where if you wanted to become a teacher in Utah and get out of California where it might be worth paying an extra 12,000 a year especially if the cost of living is a few hundred dollars a month less.

All those Pac12 states have reciprocity agreements with most other western states so residents can go out-of-state and pay nearly in-state tuition. If a student is from east of the Mississippi River or most of the Plains, there are not eligible.
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RE: P5 Undergraduate Enrollments
Since this is not high school I don't see where it matters.
Especially for P5 schools who have tons of fans who did not attend the school.

The G5 it makes a slight difference but still is not very important.
having a lot of students to pay the student fees helps .
Some of these schools have more students than seats and still have low football attendance.Tulsa averages more than the F-U schools with less than a tenth of the students. The school has money so probably does not need the student fees as much.
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