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G5 Undergraduate Enrollments
I've thought the enrollment numbers touted by schools are deceiving. First the total enrollment often includes non-traditional students and grad students. Secondly, interest in college sports is mostly driven by the undergraduate.

Some interesting comparisons when looking at undergraduate enrollments only (numbers from USNWR).

AAC
Central Florida 51,269
South Florida 31,100
Houston 31,587
Temple 28,086
Cincinnati 22,231
East Carolina 21,508
Connecticut 18,032
Memphis 17,222
Tulane 8,352
SMU 6,300
Navy 4,526
Tulsa 3,428

CUSA
Florida International 39,045
North Texas 29,481
Florida Atlantic 25,790
UTSA 24,342
Charlotte 21,503
Middle Tennessee 21,162
UTEP 19,217
Old Dominion 18,819
Western Kentucky 17,502
Southern Miss 12,475
UAB 11,502
Marshall 9,756
Louisiana Tech 9,245
Rice 3,965

SBC
Texas State 31,005
Georgia State 24,865
Georgia Southern 17,904
Troy 16,316
Appalachian State 16,025
Louisiana 15,053
New Mexico State 13,582
South Alabama 11,307
Arkansas State 10,098
Idaho 9,456
Louisiana-Monroe 7,276

MWC
San Diego State 27,809
San Jose State 25,862
Utah State 24,385
Colorado State 23,798
UNLV 23,009
New Mexico 21,138
Fresno State 20,295
Boise State 19,026
Nevada 15,694
Hawaii 14,499
Wyoming 10,117
Air Force 3,993

MAC
Ohio 23,504
Kent State 22,968
Akron 20,473
Central Michigan 20,534
Buffalo 19,831
Western Michigan 19,198
Eastern Michigan 19,084
Ball State 16,300
Toledo 16,192
Miami 15,462
Northern Illinois 15,814
Bowling Green 14,447
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Wow astounding. So say lets just take the results form half a season and do a comparison on who's the national champion. REALLY!

Yet another thread with no point.
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You do know that Enrolment means that you're enrolled right. It doesn't differentiate between years or degree sought. 05-nono

So the fact that I attended more games while seeking my masters then I did while seeking my Bachelors was unusual. I see, so I did things backwards. I don't know but. I thought I had more time on my hands. Who knew. 07-coffee3
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RE: G5 Undergraduate Enrollments
Let's put a scale to the enrollment numbers.

0 to 5,000 (small school)
5,000 to 15,000 (mid size school)
15,000 to 25,000 (big school)
25,000+ (huge school)

-Central Florida has the undergraduate enrollment of two huge schools combined.

-The SBC is mostly small to mid sized publics.

-The MAC is almost exclusively big publics

Enrollment based realignment:
B12 (UCF/USF)
AAC (Florida International, Georgia St)
CUSA (Texas St)
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Proof of the higher education bubble, and the schools who will be most impacted by its collapse.
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What does this change? Most schools have about the same percentage of undergrad to total student body. Those that have a higher percentage of undergrads usually are lower quality schools with lower student loyalty after graduation (due to worse job prospects).
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I see what the OP is getting at but, I've come to realize that the Big 12 will do what Texas want's even if that kills it. Texas is like birth control when it comes to realignment. You can't have any kids as long as you don't have sex. In short, you can't add anyone if you don't invite anyone. 07-coffee3
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Are you implying undergraduate enrollment is more important than total enrollment? I think it says a lot about a university academically when they have a high percentage of graduate students. I am going to jump in and be a total homer here in saying I'm pretty sure Cincinnati has more post-graduate students than any other G5 school...
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I don't know if those Arkansas State numbers are right. At last check I heard we had around 13K on campus.
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(10-21-2014 06:32 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  I don't know if those Arkansas State numbers are right. At last check I heard we had around 13K on campus.

HE has effectively removed a bunch of students by eliminating all Grad students, alternate campuses, possibly international students, and possibly post undergrads.

SO that could be your remaining students. As an example Kent State is in the 40K range with everybody counted but apparently is 22K when you take all of that out.
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(10-21-2014 06:36 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  
(10-21-2014 06:32 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  I don't know if those Arkansas State numbers are right. At last check I heard we had around 13K on campus.

HE has effectively removed a bunch of students by eliminating all Grad students, alternate campuses, possibly international students, and possibly post undergrads.

SO that could be your remaining students. As an example Kent State is in the 40K range with everybody counted but apparently is 22K when you take all of that out.

And to keep the data source consistent I pulled it out of the USNWR which could have erroneous data.
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(10-21-2014 06:06 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  What does this change? Most schools have about the same percentage of undergrad to total student body. Those that have a higher percentage of undergrads usually are lower quality schools with lower student loyalty after graduation (due to worse job prospects).

I agree with you that a higher percentage of graduate students is better.

With those lower enrollment G5 public universities they have both low undergraduate and low graduate enrollment.

The biggest surprise for me with the data is a lot of those CUSA schools that are supposed to have big enrollments are not as big as what a lot of people make them out to be. FIU certainly but a lot of the others not so much.
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Not that it matters but Cincinnati undergrad enrollment is close to 32k. So now we are in the big 12 with UCF 04-rock03-lmfao

http://www.uc.edu/about/ucfactsheet.html
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(10-21-2014 07:49 PM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  Not that it matters but Cincinnati undergrad enrollment is close to 32k. So now we are in the big 12 with UCF 04-rock03-lmfao

http://www.uc.edu/about/ucfactsheet.html

Full time is only 25,390 in that fact sheet.
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Your number for Troy includes online/other campuses. On their main campus, they only have about 9,000.
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Rice leaving Tulsa in the dust! We're coming for you next, Air Force!
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(10-21-2014 10:19 PM)mufanatehc Wrote:  Your number for Troy includes online/other campuses. On their main campus, they only have about 9,000.

Actually your both wrong. Heck, I may be wrong because I have not even been to the schools website let alone the school in two years but on campus enrollment is probably more close to 7000.

If you included everything it would be more close to 32,000.
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(10-21-2014 07:48 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(10-21-2014 06:06 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  What does this change? Most schools have about the same percentage of undergrad to total student body. Those that have a higher percentage of undergrads usually are lower quality schools with lower student loyalty after graduation (due to worse job prospects).

I agree with you that a higher percentage of graduate students is better.


Then why not just go with the traditional enrollment numbers? Or go with graduate enrollment numbers? That seems at odds with the logic behind opening this thread.

(10-21-2014 07:48 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  With those lower enrollment G5 public universities they have both low undergraduate and low graduate enrollment.

The biggest surprise for me with the data is a lot of those CUSA schools that are supposed to have big enrollments are not as big as what a lot of people make them out to be. FIU certainly but a lot of the others not so much.


Not necessarily. FAU, for example, has only 4,600 grad students despite having a very large undergrad population (25,000 by your numbers). For comparison, Cincinnati has almost 11,000 grad students, which is comparable to the average Big 10 school. I think Minnesota has the most of any FBS school at 17,000 (NYU has the most overall with 22,000).
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(10-21-2014 07:53 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(10-21-2014 07:49 PM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  Not that it matters but Cincinnati undergrad enrollment is close to 32k. So now we are in the big 12 with UCF 04-rock03-lmfao

http://www.uc.edu/about/ucfactsheet.html

Full time is only 25,390 in that fact sheet.

If I had to guess, I think the discrepancy is because the fact sheet lists FTEs (full-time equivalents, so 2 students who both take 1/2 of a full-time load total to 1 FTE). UC counts kids on co-op as students (as they should, since most of them still live in Clifton and participate in campus activities) but they don't count in FTEs since the class they're enrolled in is zero credit hours.

For those who don't know, UC has the largest co-op program in the country. Co-operative education started at UC in 1906, and it was originally called "the Cincinnati Plan" of education. Other schools do it now, but few others integrate it as thoroughly as we do in almost every undergraduate discipline. That's why our commercials say "you can impress your teacher and your boss in the same day."
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Interest is driven by the undergraduate, but all that matters in the end is the interest driven by television. Television markets and brand name schools in bigger markets drive a conference's television contract worth. Wal-Mart t-shirt fans who spring up as a result of watching on television are also of monetary worth.

In 2014, I don't think that a large undergrad enrollment necessarily corresponds directly to the number of actual butts in the seats. A lot of fans at huge schools don't show up to games. While I prefer to watch a college football game in person, I understand the temptation of a 64" HDTV, a house full of friends, the back deck grill going, a fridge full of beer, comfortable seats, and zero admission charge.
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(10-21-2014 05:49 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  I've thought the enrollment numbers touted by schools are deceiving. First the total enrollment often includes non-traditional students and grad students. Secondly, interest in college sports is mostly driven by the undergraduate.

Some interesting comparisons when looking at undergraduate enrollments only (numbers from USNWR).

AAC
Central Florida 51,269
South Florida 31,100
Houston 31,587
Temple 28,086
Cincinnati 22,231
East Carolina 21,508
Connecticut 18,032
Memphis 17,222
Tulane 8,352
SMU 6,300
Navy 4,526
Tulsa 3,428

Wrong. The numbers straight from USF for fall 2014 is nearly 36K undergraduates (35,848) and Total enrollment of 48,515.

Here you go.

http://usfweb3.usf.edu/infocenter/?silve...tid=253972
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