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Are the Power Conferences in Dying?
I'm looking at the recruiting rankings for next year and membership in a Power Conference doesn't seem to matter. This could be the access to bowl games the MWC, AAC, MAC, CUSA and SBC now have. A ceiling that is no longer there.

http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=9...=2&yr=2015

G5 Recruiting Rankings

36. Western Michigan
47. Cincinnati
55. Toledo
56. Central Michigan
58. Northern Illinois
60. Florida Atlantic
66. Houston
65. Brigham Young
69. Miami Oh
70. Arkansas State
71. Boise State
75. San Jose State
76. Rice
79. UTSA
80. Marshall

P5 Recruiting Rankings

50. Boston College
51. Rutgers
52. Wake Forest
53. Maryland
54. Virginia Tech
57. NC State
59. Indiana
61. Minnesota
62. Purdue
63. Utah
64. Stanford
67. Vanderbilt
68. Colorado
72. Kansas
73. Kansas State
74. California
77. Iowa State
78. Oregon State

My conclusion is that it doesn't really matter any more what conference you play in as long as the conference is a good institutional and geographic fit.

There are the mega tradition football schools that will always get cream of the crop and schools in good recruiting states like Texas and Florida will have natural advantages but conference membership in of itself doesn't really matter anymore.
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RE: Are the Power Conferences in Dying?
Recruits want to play, they want to win and they want a shot at playing football after college. Unless we are talking about the "Elite" programs like an Alabama, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, etc. all of that can be done at the schools in the schools in the first group just as well as those in the P5. In fact, you would have an easier path to do all of the above at a better AAC/MAC/MWC school vs. a bottom cellar P5 school (Wake Forest, Kansas, Colorado, Purdue etc.).
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RE: Are the Power Conferences in Dying?
Your first mistake is using Scout. Scout caters so much to subscriber numbers its absurd.
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RE: Are the Power Conferences in Dying?
Certain things still matter. Being Notre Dame or USC matters. The Red River Shootout matters, the Ohio State-Michigan game matters. Playing for Alabama matters.

I don't think for Boise State is slighted for playing in the MWC over the PAC. They are institutional rivals with Fresno and UNLV. The MWC would be viewed by most in that region as a big time conference that has national TV exposure.

Utah is an institutional rival for Arizona and Colorado. Utes would hunt the Buffalos and run from the Wildcats. They out grew the association with schools like Wyoming and UNLV.

UConn stands out to me as a school that just doesn't fit the AAC very well. Institutionally is a major land grant school with an athletic budget at the same level. They are talked about for B1G membership but would not be shocked to see them in the B12 since geography doesn't really matter to that conference.

Cincinnati fits more in with Temple, Memphis, Houston, UCF, USF in the AAC institutionally and budget wise than some believe. They may have the best academics out of that group but overall its not a bad fit.
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RE: Are the Power Conferences in Dying?
Let me know what the final numbers are. There's still big differences in the number of recruits committed to each school, which distorts the final rankings.

For example, Cincinnati is currently 47th and we have 20 recruits. But I have no doubt that numbers 48 and 49 (Missouri and Illinois) will eventually pass us because they only have 11 recruits apiece.
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(10-21-2014 03:21 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Recruits want to play, they want to win and they want a shot at playing football after college. Unless we are talking about the "Elite" programs like an Alabama, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, etc. all of that can be done at the schools in the schools in the first group just as well as those in the P5. In fact, you would have an easier path to do all of the above at a better AAC/MAC/MWC school vs. a bottom cellar P5 school (Wake Forest, Kansas, Colorado, Purdue etc.).

Winning still matters. Facilities still matter. You can have both and be in a G5 conference.

The concept of a little regional power conference like the Big East football conference only letting in 8 to protect recruiting or the MWC 8 is now not the model. The model now is go big for more markets and don't worry about recruiting. I question if that is a good move because you add a bunch of weaker recruiting schools into the conference.
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(10-21-2014 03:21 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Recruits want to play, they want to win and they want a shot at playing football after college. Unless we are talking about the "Elite" programs like an Alabama, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, etc. all of that can be done at the schools in the schools in the first group just as well as those in the P5. In fact, you would have an easier path to do all of the above at a better AAC/MAC/MWC school vs. a bottom cellar P5 school (Wake Forest, Kansas, Colorado, Purdue etc.).

And I think that may give a little uptick in recruiting for some G5 conferences. More so for the MW due to the geography of the conference. Having that auto-bid does help and its something you can sell that you couldn't before.
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RE: Are the Power Conferences in Dying?
Rankings are always difficult to judge. At Cincy we have a really good WR KR Johnny Holton.
He never played HS football and was playing 7 on 7 as a JUCO, guy is explosive. The best looking
true Freshman we have was lightly recruited, Davon Witherspoon. Takes 3 years to know how good a
class will be.
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RE: Are the Power Conferences in Dying?
Not to mention that some big time recruits are pampered, spoiled and egotistical (see Texas, perhaps Michigan). The raw tools don't always go to use or are overcome by a great effort.
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RE: Are the Power Conferences in Dying?
(10-21-2014 03:21 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Recruits want to play, they want to win and they want a shot at playing football after college. Unless we are talking about the "Elite" programs like an Alabama, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, etc. all of that can be done at the schools in the schools in the first group just as well as those in the P5. In fact, you would have an easier path to do all of the above at a better AAC/MAC/MWC school vs. a bottom cellar P5 school (Wake Forest, Kansas, Colorado, Purdue etc.).

How do you come to the conclusion you can do "all of the above" easier at a G5 school? Winning is the only one that might be easier.
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(10-21-2014 05:11 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  
(10-21-2014 03:21 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Recruits want to play, they want to win and they want a shot at playing football after college. Unless we are talking about the "Elite" programs like an Alabama, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, etc. all of that can be done at the schools in the schools in the first group just as well as those in the P5. In fact, you would have an easier path to do all of the above at a better AAC/MAC/MWC school vs. a bottom cellar P5 school (Wake Forest, Kansas, Colorado, Purdue etc.).

How do you come to the conclusion you can do "all of the above" easier at a G5 school? Winning is the only one that might be easier.

It's a lot easier to get drafted if you actually play in college. Unless you're Matt Cassel or a member of the 80s Miami Hurricanes, you've got to be a starter to get drafted. Also, a 3-year starter will see a lot more reps in practice and games and will likely become a better player as long than someone who rides the bench until senior year.
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But you're not answering the question of why they won't be playing for the bottom teams in the power conferences. If they have pro potential, they will play a lot for those programs and have more national exposure because the TV deals the power conferences have.
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RE: Are the Power Conferences in Dying?
It's a little early in the year to make these comparisons. January as a midmajor is all about trying to hold onto your top commits as the power programs work their way down their recruiting boards. There's a lot of movement in favor of the P5 programs in the last month of the recruiting period.
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RE: Are the Power Conferences in Dying?
I know my school USF ended up ranked in the top 40 last year in just about every sites rankings... It makes me wonder what we could do if we had the name of the B12 and income to back us up.

We all know the majority of the AAC and MWC could become power houses if we made even half what the P5 conferences do. Frustrating.
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RE: Are the Power Conferences in Dying?
Hmm - looking at average points gives a totally different story - from your link...

1. SEC 18.2 1. Alabama 2552 25 10 102 135 131 116 8 238 17 3.45
2. ACC 18.0 7. Florida State 1610 8 2 34 183 136 113 3 249 3 3.02
3. Big Ten 15.3 8. Penn State 1532 7 1 43 133 116 94 4 210 4 3.03
4. Big 12 13.9 14. Texas 1509 6 2 32 87 75 61 3 124 15 3.13
5. Pac-12 14.3 12. USC 1441 11 4 34 108 101 66 5 161 11 3.09
6. Indep 14.7 9. Notre Dame 1373 3 0 10 20 14 29 1 43 1 2.91
7. MAC 11.7 36. Western Michigan 562 0 0 2 76 78 71 3 152 0 2.53
8. AAC 11.2 47. Cincinnati 460 0 0 0 54 74 60 0 132 2 2.40
9. Conf USA 11.9 60. Florida Atlantic 408 0 0 0 51 93 73 0 161 5 2.31
10. MWC 8.1 71. Boise State 312 0 0 1 31 52 43 2 90 7 2.34
11. Sun Belt 7.7 70. Arkansas State 230 0 0 0 18 48 35 2 79 6 2.21
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(10-21-2014 06:15 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Hmm - looking at average points gives a totally different story - from your link...

1. SEC 18.2 1. Alabama 2552 25 10 102 135 131 116 8 238 17 3.45
2. ACC 18.0 7. Florida State 1610 8 2 34 183 136 113 3 249 3 3.02
3. Big Ten 15.3 8. Penn State 1532 7 1 43 133 116 94 4 210 4 3.03
4. Big 12 13.9 14. Texas 1509 6 2 32 87 75 61 3 124 15 3.13
5. Pac-12 14.3 12. USC 1441 11 4 34 108 101 66 5 161 11 3.09
6. Indep 14.7 9. Notre Dame 1373 3 0 10 20 14 29 1 43 1 2.91
7. MAC 11.7 36. Western Michigan 562 0 0 2 76 78 71 3 152 0 2.53
8. AAC 11.2 47. Cincinnati 460 0 0 0 54 74 60 0 132 2 2.40
9. Conf USA 11.9 60. Florida Atlantic 408 0 0 0 51 93 73 0 161 5 2.31
10. MWC 8.1 71. Boise State 312 0 0 1 31 52 43 2 90 7 2.34
11. Sun Belt 7.7 70. Arkansas State 230 0 0 0 18 48 35 2 79 6 2.21

The power conferences will never slid behind G5 leagues as a whole in recruiting but its moving toward all of these G5 programs having a bunch of Boise State type programs that can be competitive in recruiting against the average P5.

Its not going to just be a special program like BYU in the 80's and 90's because of the Mormon religion and players being older because of Mormon missions. Its going to be regular old G5 programs that have built a reputation.

There can't be too many Boise State's because someone is going to have to absorb the losses but there could be 1 or 2 per conference that regularly crack the Top 25.
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(10-21-2014 05:54 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  We all know the majority of the AAC and MWC could become power houses if we made even half what the P5 conferences do. Frustrating.

No that is not the case. Its not money that is holding the MWC back from greatness its recruiting and most of those schools are not semi attractive for recruits.

They don't have the recruiting base, facilities and campuses found in the PAC. This is in general.

In the cases where they do have something comparable to offer like Boise State does they are recruiting better.

ECU has the stadium of a P5 but their problem is they are 1 of 7 schools in North Carolina. The recruiting potential just is not there. They can try to recruit Florida but players will go to SEC/ACC schools with more tradition first.

Some G5 programs just do not have that much potential, IMO.
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(10-21-2014 09:57 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(10-21-2014 05:54 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  We all know the majority of the AAC and MWC could become power houses if we made even half what the P5 conferences do. Frustrating.

No that is not the case. Its not money that is holding the MWC back from greatness its recruiting and most of those schools are not semi attractive for recruits.

They don't have the recruiting base, facilities and campuses found in the PAC. This is in general.

In the cases where they do have something comparable to offer like Boise State does they are recruiting better.

ECU has the stadium of a P5 but their problem is they are 1 of 7 schools in North Carolina. The recruiting potential just is not there. They can try to recruit Florida but players will go to SEC/ACC schools with more tradition first.

Some G5 programs just do not have that much potential, IMO.

You're not very bright.
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(10-21-2014 09:57 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(10-21-2014 05:54 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  We all know the majority of the AAC and MWC could become power houses if we made even half what the P5 conferences do. Frustrating.

No that is not the case. Its not money that is holding the MWC back from greatness its recruiting and most of those schools are not semi attractive for recruits.
They don't have the recruiting base, facilities and campuses found in the PAC. This is in general.

In the cases where they do have something comparable to offer like Boise State does they are recruiting better.

ECU has the stadium of a P5 but their problem is they are 1 of 7 schools in North Carolina. The recruiting potential just is not there. They can try to recruit Florida but players will go to SEC/ACC schools with more tradition first.

Some G5 programs just do not have that much potential, IMO.

Lol wut?

I come from a pro Pac-12 family my father and mother went to USC.

The bottom of the Pac-12 is not much better than the MWC. In reality if you took away Oregon, USC, UCLA, and Stanford the Pac-12 would hardly be a "football power conference"

Washington State, Oregon State, Colorodo, Utah, and CAL are not world beaters. Washington, Arizona State, and Arizona have their moments but again when was the last time any of these teams seriously was in competetion for playing for a national title?

Now if your talking academics and olympic sports that is another story.
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