Thomas Rawls was charged with three felonies in April, and didn't tell his coach about it until two days before going to trial and after playing his first two games. He plea bargained down to a High Court Misdemeanor which is punishable by up to two years in prison (same as if it were a felony conviction). If he serves out his probation without incident he gets off. If not then he serves the felony conviction.

The day after pleading to stealing a woman's purse and using her credit cards, Dan Enos, the CMU coach welcomed him back with open arms. Two other CMU players were charged with felonies this year and were thrown off the team. Of course, neither were impact players like Mr. Rawls...............CMU, the Florida State of the MAC.

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I wasn't a journalism major, but is 'felon' really an accurate term?

College graduates ought to be careful with their terminology even if they weren't journalism majors.

How many times are you going to post about this guy? It's getting creepily obsessive and I don't give a crap about either CMU or WMU.

We all heard the story months ago.


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(10-21-2014 01:13 PM)emu steve Wrote:  I wasn't a journalism major, but is 'felon' really an accurate term?

College graduates ought to be careful with their terminology even if they weren't journalism majors.

Yes, he's a felon. Charged with three to be exact.

According to a judge and two lawyers on our site, he plea bargained to a one count of felony larceny. They then made a deal so that The Felon could plea to a High Court Misdemeanor, which is THE EXACT SAME CONVICTION AS A FELONY, AS IT CARRIES UP TO A MAXIMUM OF TWO YEARS IN PRISON. What it does for Thomas THE FELON Rawls is it allows him to behave himself during probation, and have the FELONY expunged from his record, so he doesn't have to go around for the rest of his life checking the "Have you ever been convicted of a felony" box on applications for jobs.

But clearly, you're good with a grown man stealing an old ladies purse and using her credit cards? I'm sure you'd feel the same if it were your granny, right?

And I'm sure you think it's totally fine that his slime ball coach reinstated him THE DAY AFTER HE PLEADED GUILTY. Do you think Creighton would do that? Would you be fine with that? Somehow I doubt it.

(10-21-2014 01:25 PM)axeme Wrote:  How many times are you going to post about this guy? It's getting creepily obsessive and I don't give a crap about either CMU or WMU.

We all heard the story months ago.


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How many times are you going to make excuses for THE FELON? What is it with you? Are you a card carrying member of the Jamis Winston Fan Club?

Just updating you on the AP story that talks about The Felon being sentenced today. I know you folks have short memories.

(10-21-2014 01:29 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(10-21-2014 01:25 PM)axeme Wrote:  How many times are you going to post about this guy? It's getting creepily obsessive and I don't give a crap about either CMU or WMU.

We all heard the story months ago.


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How many times are you going to make excuses for THE FELON? What is it with you? Are you a card carrying member of the Jamis Winston Fan Club?

Just updating you on the AP story that talks about The Felon being sentenced today. I know you folks have short memories.

I didn't see any "excuses" in axeme's post.

(10-21-2014 01:27 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(10-21-2014 01:13 PM)emu steve Wrote:  I wasn't a journalism major, but is 'felon' really an accurate term?

College graduates ought to be careful with their terminology even if they weren't journalism majors.

Yes, he's a felon. Charged with three to be exact.

According to a judge and two lawyers on our site, he plea bargained to a one count of felony larceny. They then made a deal so that The Felon could plea to a High Court Misdemeanor, which is THE EXACT SAME CONVICTION AS A FELONY, AS IT CARRIES UP TO A MAXIMUM OF TWO YEARS IN PRISON. What it does for Thomas THE FELON Rawls is it allows him to behave himself during probation, and have the FELONY expunged from his record, so he doesn't have to go around for the rest of his life checking the "Have you ever been convicted of a felony" box on applications for jobs.

But clearly, you're good with a grown man stealing an old ladies purse and using her credit cards? I'm sure you'd feel the same if it were your granny, right?

And I'm sure you think it's totally fine that his slime ball coach reinstated him THE DAY AFTER HE PLEADED GUILTY. Do you think Creighton would do that? Would you be fine with that? Somehow I doubt it.

Where did he say he's "good with a grown man stealing an old lady's purse" in his post. Reach much?

Creighton wouldn't. He kicked two starters and a key reserve off the team before their case even got to court.

It's a shame that he's clearly only still on the team because he's a really good football player, but I guess this stuff just doesn't surprise me anymore. The bigger shame is that this guy commits a legitimate crime and is still playing, yet someone like Todd Gurley is suspended for making money off of his signature. "In house" punishments are rarely uniform school to school, but that's a pretty big discrepancy in penalties, at least from a morality standpoint.

You guys have the wrong site. Try these.

http://www.jamiswinton/fanclub.com
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http://www.trawls/noconsequences/crimedoespay.net

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He's still not a felon no matter how much you want him to be.

If he is still playing this season idc, my team played him and shut him down.

(10-21-2014 02:17 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  If he is still playing this season idc, my team played him and shut him down.

My team played him and he ran for a billion yards and I still don't care.

(10-21-2014 02:17 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  If he is still playing this season idc, my team played him and shut him down.

Lol 69 total yards and 2 TD's isn't exactly shutting him down. Compared to other games? Sure.


But yes, UT clearly beat my beloved Chips.

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Quote:High Court Misdemeanors. These crimes are considered "misdemeanors" by the state even though they are punishable by over a year in jail. .... You should be aware that any crime punishable by over a year in jail are considered felonies by the federal government and other states.

So, essentially, this is where the issue comes in. It's both.

http://www.alllegalmatters.com/legal-ser...fense-law/

Quote:However, many attorneys are not knowledgeable or experienced enough to know that in Michigan there are also specific misdemeanor offenses that are punishable by more than one (1) year in jail, and these are defined by statute as ”high court” misdemeanors. An example of a high court misdemeanor is Resisting/Obstructing a Police Officer, which is punishable up to two (2) years in the state prison, but it is not defined as a “felony” under Michigan law. Although high-court misdemeanors are handled by courts in Michigan procedurally like a felony, they are not a felony offense. This is significant when a criminal defense attorney is defending your case, especially when calculating “sentencing guidelines.”

It is, but it Technically isn't. I can't find the law link, but I posted it before. Essentially, they break down the sentencing differences. In Michigan, you can be served more than 1 year, but since it's a Misdemeanor, if you're going to go to Jail, you'll go to there and not Prison -- and this will be forced to be Released at 1 year. So it's Processed the same as a felony, but you can't Actually Serve more than 1 year in jail here. And, as this next link points out, it IS treated in all reality a bit lighter anyway...

http://www.macombduidefense.com/felonies...anors.html

Quote:Two-Year Felonies, or High Court Misdemeanors

I chose to put this class of crimes in a special section because they are so different from the other “real” felonies we discussed above. In recent years, there has been a virtual explosion of cases involving the charge of “Possession of analogues.” This term means narcotic-derivative prescription medications such as Vicodin, Oxycontin, and a host of other drugs. The term “High Court Misdemeanor” is really a hybrid* term. Although these cases follow the exact same procedure as a Felony, they are called “misdemeanors” and are treated, to tell the truth, much more leniently than regular felonies. Possession of Analogues and other two-year offenses, such as Resisting and Obstructing Arrest (R&O) are really looked at as serious misdemeanors. Without a bad prior record, most Defendants can forget worrying about jail and instead worry about how intense their probation terms are likely to be and whether they can keep the charge off their record.

*Tranny

As I've always said -- it'd be misleading/incorrect to call a High Court Misdemeanor purely a Felony (and not a misdemeanor). It'd be misleading/incorrect to call a High Court Misdemeanor "just a misdemeanor" or "not at all a felony" -- it's more than that. It's a hybrid/tranny of a Felony/Misdemeanor. It's processed procedurally the same as a felony, has UP TO 2 years in jail -- but you won't serve the full 2 years, just 1 (due to weird michigan rules setup) -- all while in reality, you can bank on more lenient deal usually. But, on your record, it will show up as a Felony as many law places & lawyers point out.

With Rawls though, he already went thru the settlement proceedings so -- what he's going to face is pretty much already a given. I guess the judge could step in, and throw the book at him moreso than what the prosecution has agreed to. But my guess is -- unless the judge is a WMU fan, Rawls isn't going to face jail, he's going to be on that "off my record" plan since he was under 21 when it happened -- and it won't even be an issue years to come.

So it would be a felony in other states, but considering it's in Michigan it's not a felony. Case closed.

(10-21-2014 02:17 PM)7 Wrote:  He's still not a felon no matter how much you want him to be.

He only stole an old ladies purse and used her credit cards. Leave poor Thomas alone!

7, when your kid refuses to eat his dinner, do you say, "Well, will you at least eat this Snickers bar."

(10-21-2014 01:29 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(10-21-2014 01:25 PM)axeme Wrote:  How many times are you going to post about this guy? It's getting creepily obsessive and I don't give a crap about either CMU or WMU.

We all heard the story months ago.


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How many times are you going to make excuses for THE FELON? What is it with you? Are you a card carrying member of the Jamis Winston Fan Club?

Just updating you on the AP story that talks about The Felon being sentenced today. I know you folks have short memories.

Considering I have made no posts about him before and made no excuses for him in the one post above, my answer to your question would be "zero."

And thank you for proving my point. Over and over and over and over again.

I don't care if he goes to jail or hell or both. But I could also say the same thing about you. Except I'm not going to be posting about either him or you obsessively, day after day, week after week.

You all realize you're arguing with crazy, right?

Rawls got a years probation, no jail time. Would imagine he'll be playing Saturday.

ChipDip, your thoughts?

He should've been held to the same standard as the other two players, at least suspended. But hey, Ray Rice and AP can come back to the NFL after relatively short suspensions for violent crimes, football is bigger than life.

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There is an even larger problem with this picture that most people are not even getting. These players, both NFL and college, are heroes to tens of thousands of young boys across the country. These boys not only see and hear everything that these players do on the field, but with the with the flood of 24 hour information that they get over the internet, they also learn of everything that happens off of the field.

As few stories get out about players working in soup kitchens with interviews on how rewarding it is to give back to the community, all to often they get a different message instead. When they see these guys doing heinous acts and then just getting slaps on the wrist then they learn that there are no consequences for their actions as they will be forgiven so long as they promise to never do it again.