In new updated CFCC (college football computer composite)

Bil - Marshall 25, CSU 29, ECU 32
Col - Marshall 10, CSU 19, ECU 31
Mas - Marshall 27, ECU 31, CSU 43
Sag - Marshall 31, ECU 38, CSU 55
Wol - CSU 14, Marshall 15, ECU 31

Overall composites
Marshall 22
CSU 28
ECU 33


So now that it appears ECU is falling behind, CSU needs to have our attention. We need boise to win out to be the champion to keep CSU out. These are polls the committee will actually use in their data, as these polls do not have initial rankings before competition (no preseason poll). Those fake good wins and that bad loss factors in with the computers.

I don't understand how anyone or any computer can have us ahead of ECU. Granted, as a Marshall fan, I want that G5 Access Bowl bid with everything in me, but I just don't see how we can be ranked ahead of a program who beat VT, absolutely trounced UNC, and whose lone loss is to South Carolina.

Also, what relevance does this particular computerized poll hold, in the grand scheme of things? Or is this just yet another poll holding no meaning whatsoever?

EDIT: Taking a look at CSU's schedule, we need to keep blowing teams out like we have been. I think that, and Cato's publicity, are the only reasons we're ahead of CSU right now. The bottom line is that wins against Boston College and Colorado look better than any of our wins, IMO.

It doesn't matter about CSU...They lost to Boise and as long a a 2 loss Boise wins out...CSU is out because they wouldn't even win their division, much less the conference...

(10-20-2014 02:12 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  In new updated CFCC (college football computer composite)

Bil - Marshall 25, CSU 29, ECU 32
Col - Marshall 10, CSU 19, ECU 31
Mas - Marshall 27, ECU 31, CSU 43
Sag - Marshall 31, ECU 38, CSU 55
Wol - CSU 14, Marshall 15, ECU 31

Overall composites
Marshall 22
CSU 28
ECU 33


So now that it appears ECU is falling behind, CSU needs to have our attention. We need boise to win out to be the champion to keep CSU out. These are polls the committee will actually use in their data, as these polls do not have initial rankings before competition (no preseason poll). Those fake good wins and that bad loss factors in with the computers.

I hate to break the bad news to you but the Playoff Committee has specifically said they will not be using computer polls or rankings in their decision making process…..

"Data
Selection Committee members will have a wealth of information including review of video, statistics and their own expertise to guide them in their deliberations. They will emphasize obvious factors like win-loss records, strength of schedule, conference championships won, head-to-head results and results against common opponents. The playoff group has retained SportSource Analytics to provide the data platform for the committee’s use. While the details of the platform have not been finalized, it is anticipated that it will include countless pieces of statistical information for every Football Bowl Subdivision team. It will also include general information such as each team’s opponents’ record and opponents’ opponents’ records. The platform will allow the committee members to compare and contrast every team on every level possible.

It should be noted that the committee will not use a single data point such as the Ratings Percentage Index (RPI) that is used for NCAA championships."

http://www.collegefootballplayoff.com/ab...e-rankings

Also you are giving the computer polls way too much credit as well….Teams do not start from zero, they need a statistical base to start from at the beginning of the season…Where does this info come from at the start of the season? Well in most cases the initial rating is based on what a team accomplished the previous season so yes there is an initial bias in most of these computer polls at the start season based on how a team finished last season. Most of these computers rankings will tell you that it takes some time throughout the season for the numbers to come in line…Why is that? Because it starts out based on information from the previous season.

(10-20-2014 02:27 PM)RedParallax Wrote:  I don't understand how anyone or any computer can have us ahead of ECU. Granted, as a Marshall fan, I want that G5 Access Bowl bid with everything in me, but I just don't see how we can be ranked ahead of a program who beat VT, absolutely trounced UNC, and whose lone loss is to South Carolina.

Also, what relevance does this particular computerized poll hold, in the grand scheme of things? Or is this just yet another poll holding no meaning whatsoever?

EDIT: Taking a look at CSU's schedule, we need to keep blowing teams out like we have been. I think that, and Cato's publicity, are the only reasons we're ahead of CSU right now. The bottom line is that wins against Boston College and Colorado look better than any of our wins, IMO.

These are the major computer rankings and yes, these will hold relevance. These see through those wins. VT is 4-3 and lost to Pitt. SC is 4-3 also and UNC is 3-4. Average teams that do not boost SOS much higher than marshalls opponents. Looking at objective data, it is very reasonable to put us ahead of ECU. Their SOS the rest of the way is 88, ours is 102... plus we should get a title game against probably an 8 win team to help us a bit.

As it stands today, IMO, if boise wins out and we do, we get rhe access spot. If ECU loses again its over or if we lose its over for us. If CSU somehow wins their conference, then that could be interesting.

Again, this is today. VT, UNC and SC could win out then that point is moot. But if they end up 5-7 type teams, those wins aren't as pretty as they were, like they arent now. The AP poll is cool and all but it wont factor into the committees decisions officially, as they have a preseason poll. Not that they wont look at those polls and be humans of course.

(10-20-2014 02:27 PM)RedParallax Wrote:  I don't understand how anyone or any computer can have us ahead of ECU. Granted, as a Marshall fan, I want that G5 Access Bowl bid with everything in me, but I just don't see how we can be ranked ahead of a program who beat VT, absolutely trounced UNC, and whose lone loss is to South Carolina.

Also, what relevance does this particular computerized poll hold, in the grand scheme of things? Or is this just yet another poll holding no meaning whatsoever?

EDIT: Taking a look at CSU's schedule, we need to keep blowing teams out like we have been. I think that, and Cato's publicity, are the only reasons we're ahead of CSU right now. The bottom line is that wins against Boston College and Colorado look better than any of our wins, IMO.

I would say the main reason Marshall is ahead is because they are undefeated….Most of these computer polls most weighted data point is a teams win vs loss record, which it should be. Also while ECU's schedule has some good teams at the top we also have some absolute dogs which has actually made ECU's SOS very similar to Marshall's at this point. Towards the end of the season I suspect we will show better than Marshall on the SOS because we should have some games against teams in the Top 50-60 down the stretch which will improve our SOS some. So while the good side of our schedule is clearly better than Marshall's several of the "bad" teams we have played are rated very low which has come close to making the two schedules a wash from the SOS standpoint.

Golly, I never want this to end! What the hell will we do come mid January? I know, discuss how Marshall couldn't beat high school basketball teams.

(10-20-2014 02:46 PM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(10-20-2014 02:12 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  In new updated CFCC (college football computer composite)

Bil - Marshall 25, CSU 29, ECU 32
Col - Marshall 10, CSU 19, ECU 31
Mas - Marshall 27, ECU 31, CSU 43
Sag - Marshall 31, ECU 38, CSU 55
Wol - CSU 14, Marshall 15, ECU 31

Overall composites
Marshall 22
CSU 28
ECU 33


So now that it appears ECU is falling behind, CSU needs to have our attention. We need boise to win out to be the champion to keep CSU out. These are polls the committee will actually use in their data, as these polls do not have initial rankings before competition (no preseason poll). Those fake good wins and that bad loss factors in with the computers.

I hate to break the bad news to you but the Playoff Committee has specifically said they will not be using computer polls or rankings in their decision making process…..

"Data
Selection Committee members will have a wealth of information including review of video, statistics and their own expertise to guide them in their deliberations. They will emphasize obvious factors like win-loss records, strength of schedule, conference championships won, head-to-head results and results against common opponents. The playoff group has retained SportSource Analytics to provide the data platform for the committee’s use. While the details of the platform have not been finalized, it is anticipated that it will include countless pieces of statistical information for every Football Bowl Subdivision team. It will also include general information such as each team’s opponents’ record and opponents’ opponents’ records. The platform will allow the committee members to compare and contrast every team on every level possible.

It should be noted that the committee will not use a single data point such as the Ratings Percentage Index (RPI) that is used for NCAA championships."

http://www.collegefootballplayoff.com/ab...e-rankings

Also you are giving the computer polls way too much credit as well….Teams do not start from zero, they need a statistical base to start from at the beginning of the season…Where does this info come from at the start of the season? Well in most cases the initial rating is based on what a team accomplished the previous season so yes there is an initial bias in most of these computer polls at the start season based on how a team finished last season. Most of these computers rankings will tell you that it takes some time throughout the season for the numbers to come in line…Why is that? Because it starts out based on information from the previous season.

While it is understood that committee members will take into consideration all kinds of data including polls, committee members will be required to discredit polls wherein initial rankings are established before competition has occurred;
http://www.collegefootballplayoff.com/se...e-protocol

These means the computer polls, will be valid data to be officially considered.

And yes, i agree, being undefeated carries a lot of weight. If we lose a single game, we are done. Doesnt matter even if it was alabama on the road in the 1st game

(10-20-2014 02:48 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(10-20-2014 02:27 PM)RedParallax Wrote:  I don't understand how anyone or any computer can have us ahead of ECU. Granted, as a Marshall fan, I want that G5 Access Bowl bid with everything in me, but I just don't see how we can be ranked ahead of a program who beat VT, absolutely trounced UNC, and whose lone loss is to South Carolina.

Also, what relevance does this particular computerized poll hold, in the grand scheme of things? Or is this just yet another poll holding no meaning whatsoever?

EDIT: Taking a look at CSU's schedule, we need to keep blowing teams out like we have been. I think that, and Cato's publicity, are the only reasons we're ahead of CSU right now. The bottom line is that wins against Boston College and Colorado look better than any of our wins, IMO.

These are the major computer rankings and yes, these will hold relevance. These see through those wins. VT is 4-3 and lost to Pitt. SC is 4-3 also and UNC is 3-4. Average teams that do not boost SOS much higher than marshalls opponents. Looking at objective data, it is very reasonable to put us ahead of ECU. Their SOS the rest of the way is 88, ours is 102... plus we should get a title game against probably an 8 win team to help us a bit.

As it stands today, IMO, if boise wins out and we do, we get rhe access spot. If ECU loses again its over or if we lose its over for us. If CSU somehow wins their conference, then that could be interesting.

Again, this is today. VT, UNC and SC could win out then that point is moot. But if they end up 5-7 type teams, those wins aren't as pretty as they were, like they arent now. The AP poll is cool and all but it wont factor into the committees decisions officially, as they have a preseason poll. Not that they wont look at those polls and be humans of course.

Simple question: give me one team, either already played or upcoming, on Marshall's schedule, that you'd classify as a better win than vs. UNC or @ Virginia Tech.

(10-20-2014 02:55 PM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(10-20-2014 02:27 PM)RedParallax Wrote:  I don't understand how anyone or any computer can have us ahead of ECU. Granted, as a Marshall fan, I want that G5 Access Bowl bid with everything in me, but I just don't see how we can be ranked ahead of a program who beat VT, absolutely trounced UNC, and whose lone loss is to South Carolina.

Also, what relevance does this particular computerized poll hold, in the grand scheme of things? Or is this just yet another poll holding no meaning whatsoever?

EDIT: Taking a look at CSU's schedule, we need to keep blowing teams out like we have been. I think that, and Cato's publicity, are the only reasons we're ahead of CSU right now. The bottom line is that wins against Boston College and Colorado look better than any of our wins, IMO.

I would say the main reason Marshall is ahead is because they are undefeated….Most of these computer polls most weighted data point is a teams win vs loss record, which it should be. Also while ECU's schedule has some good teams at the top we also have some absolute dogs which has actually made ECU's SOS very similar to Marshall's at this point. Towards the end of the season I suspect we will show better than Marshall on the SOS because we should have some games against teams in the Top 50-60 down the stretch which will improve our SOS some. So while the good side of our schedule is clearly better than Marshall's several of the "bad" teams we have played are rated very low which has come close to making the two schedules a wash from the SOS standpoint.

Very good post. I would also like to point out,ecu remaining sos is 88 and marshalls is 102. (Not counting a cusa title game which should help us, if we win obviously)

(10-20-2014 02:48 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(10-20-2014 02:27 PM)RedParallax Wrote:  I don't understand how anyone or any computer can have us ahead of ECU. Granted, as a Marshall fan, I want that G5 Access Bowl bid with everything in me, but I just don't see how we can be ranked ahead of a program who beat VT, absolutely trounced UNC, and whose lone loss is to South Carolina.

Also, what relevance does this particular computerized poll hold, in the grand scheme of things? Or is this just yet another poll holding no meaning whatsoever?

EDIT: Taking a look at CSU's schedule, we need to keep blowing teams out like we have been. I think that, and Cato's publicity, are the only reasons we're ahead of CSU right now. The bottom line is that wins against Boston College and Colorado look better than any of our wins, IMO.

These are the major computer rankings and yes, these will hold relevance. These see through those wins. VT is 4-3 and lost to Pitt. SC is 4-3 also and UNC is 3-4. Average teams that do not boost SOS much higher than marshalls opponents. Looking at objective data, it is very reasonable to put us ahead of ECU. Their SOS the rest of the way is 88, ours is 102... plus we should get a title game against probably an 8 win team to help us a bit.

As it stands today, IMO, if boise wins out and we do, we get rhe access spot. If ECU loses again its over or if we lose its over for us. If CSU somehow wins their conference, then that could be interesting.

Again, this is today. VT, UNC and SC could win out then that point is moot. But if they end up 5-7 type teams, those wins aren't as pretty as they were, like they arent now. The AP poll is cool and all but it wont factor into the committees decisions officially, as they have a preseason poll. Not that they wont look at those polls and be humans of course.

Once again like my post above says…These computer polls are just as irrelevant as the human polls. The Playoff Committee will not be using human or computer polls…They all have their flaws, just like I am sure the Playoff Committees process will as well…Only problem is we have no true idea how they will go about making their rankings.

(10-20-2014 02:59 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(10-20-2014 02:48 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(10-20-2014 02:27 PM)RedParallax Wrote:  I don't understand how anyone or any computer can have us ahead of ECU. Granted, as a Marshall fan, I want that G5 Access Bowl bid with everything in me, but I just don't see how we can be ranked ahead of a program who beat VT, absolutely trounced UNC, and whose lone loss is to South Carolina.

Also, what relevance does this particular computerized poll hold, in the grand scheme of things? Or is this just yet another poll holding no meaning whatsoever?

EDIT: Taking a look at CSU's schedule, we need to keep blowing teams out like we have been. I think that, and Cato's publicity, are the only reasons we're ahead of CSU right now. The bottom line is that wins against Boston College and Colorado look better than any of our wins, IMO.

These are the major computer rankings and yes, these will hold relevance. These see through those wins. VT is 4-3 and lost to Pitt. SC is 4-3 also and UNC is 3-4. Average teams that do not boost SOS much higher than marshalls opponents. Looking at objective data, it is very reasonable to put us ahead of ECU. Their SOS the rest of the way is 88, ours is 102... plus we should get a title game against probably an 8 win team to help us a bit.

As it stands today, IMO, if boise wins out and we do, we get rhe access spot. If ECU loses again its over or if we lose its over for us. If CSU somehow wins their conference, then that could be interesting.

Again, this is today. VT, UNC and SC could win out then that point is moot. But if they end up 5-7 type teams, those wins aren't as pretty as they were, like they arent now. The AP poll is cool and all but it wont factor into the committees decisions officially, as they have a preseason poll. Not that they wont look at those polls and be humans of course.

Simple question: give me one team, either already played or upcoming, on Marshall's schedule, that you'd classify as a better win than vs. UNC or @ Virginia Tech.

The strawman crap was addressed in another topic. The SOS is so close it will not be a determining factor. Those wins are not remarkably better than a win over MTSU (vt) or Akron (unc), except in name only, which these polls expose. I will not get any more involved with a stupid hear say and opinion based argument with the stupid.... youll drag me down to your level and beat me with experience.

(10-20-2014 03:01 PM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(10-20-2014 02:48 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(10-20-2014 02:27 PM)RedParallax Wrote:  I don't understand how anyone or any computer can have us ahead of ECU. Granted, as a Marshall fan, I want that G5 Access Bowl bid with everything in me, but I just don't see how we can be ranked ahead of a program who beat VT, absolutely trounced UNC, and whose lone loss is to South Carolina.

Also, what relevance does this particular computerized poll hold, in the grand scheme of things? Or is this just yet another poll holding no meaning whatsoever?

EDIT: Taking a look at CSU's schedule, we need to keep blowing teams out like we have been. I think that, and Cato's publicity, are the only reasons we're ahead of CSU right now. The bottom line is that wins against Boston College and Colorado look better than any of our wins, IMO.

These are the major computer rankings and yes, these will hold relevance. These see through those wins. VT is 4-3 and lost to Pitt. SC is 4-3 also and UNC is 3-4. Average teams that do not boost SOS much higher than marshalls opponents. Looking at objective data, it is very reasonable to put us ahead of ECU. Their SOS the rest of the way is 88, ours is 102... plus we should get a title game against probably an 8 win team to help us a bit.

As it stands today, IMO, if boise wins out and we do, we get rhe access spot. If ECU loses again its over or if we lose its over for us. If CSU somehow wins their conference, then that could be interesting.

Again, this is today. VT, UNC and SC could win out then that point is moot. But if they end up 5-7 type teams, those wins aren't as pretty as they were, like they arent now. The AP poll is cool and all but it wont factor into the committees decisions officially, as they have a preseason poll. Not that they wont look at those polls and be humans of course.

Once again like my post above says…These computer polls are just as irrelevant as the human polls. The Playoff Committee will not be using human or computer polls…They all have their flaws, just like I am sure the Playoff Committees process will as well…Only problem is we have no true idea how they will go about making their rankings.

You ignored the outline on the website saying they will use polls that dont have preseason rankings..... which i posted above. Dont spin facts just to suit you. There is a reason ecu is lagging well behind in these polls. Consistently behind.

(10-20-2014 03:05 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(10-20-2014 02:59 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(10-20-2014 02:48 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(10-20-2014 02:27 PM)RedParallax Wrote:  I don't understand how anyone or any computer can have us ahead of ECU. Granted, as a Marshall fan, I want that G5 Access Bowl bid with everything in me, but I just don't see how we can be ranked ahead of a program who beat VT, absolutely trounced UNC, and whose lone loss is to South Carolina.

Also, what relevance does this particular computerized poll hold, in the grand scheme of things? Or is this just yet another poll holding no meaning whatsoever?

EDIT: Taking a look at CSU's schedule, we need to keep blowing teams out like we have been. I think that, and Cato's publicity, are the only reasons we're ahead of CSU right now. The bottom line is that wins against Boston College and Colorado look better than any of our wins, IMO.

These are the major computer rankings and yes, these will hold relevance. These see through those wins. VT is 4-3 and lost to Pitt. SC is 4-3 also and UNC is 3-4. Average teams that do not boost SOS much higher than marshalls opponents. Looking at objective data, it is very reasonable to put us ahead of ECU. Their SOS the rest of the way is 88, ours is 102... plus we should get a title game against probably an 8 win team to help us a bit.

As it stands today, IMO, if boise wins out and we do, we get rhe access spot. If ECU loses again its over or if we lose its over for us. If CSU somehow wins their conference, then that could be interesting.

Again, this is today. VT, UNC and SC could win out then that point is moot. But if they end up 5-7 type teams, those wins aren't as pretty as they were, like they arent now. The AP poll is cool and all but it wont factor into the committees decisions officially, as they have a preseason poll. Not that they wont look at those polls and be humans of course.

Simple question: give me one team, either already played or upcoming, on Marshall's schedule, that you'd classify as a better win than vs. UNC or @ Virginia Tech.

The strawman crap was addressed in another topic. The SOS is so close it will not be a determining factor. Those wins are not remarkably better than a win over MTSU (vt) or Akron (unc), except in name only, which these polls expose. I will not get any more involved with a stupid hear say and opinion based argument with the stupid.... youll drag me down to your level and beat me with experience.

You don't know what a strawman is so stop attemping to use it.

You keep claiming that VT and UNC are "bad wins" so I asked for which wins you'd consider to be better on Marshall's schedule. If you find your "resume" to be superior than surely you can point to better wins, no?

BUt since you mentioned it, you're really claiming that the MTSU win is comparable to Virginia Tech? Really?

(10-20-2014 03:09 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(10-20-2014 03:05 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(10-20-2014 02:59 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(10-20-2014 02:48 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(10-20-2014 02:27 PM)RedParallax Wrote:  I don't understand how anyone or any computer can have us ahead of ECU. Granted, as a Marshall fan, I want that G5 Access Bowl bid with everything in me, but I just don't see how we can be ranked ahead of a program who beat VT, absolutely trounced UNC, and whose lone loss is to South Carolina.

Also, what relevance does this particular computerized poll hold, in the grand scheme of things? Or is this just yet another poll holding no meaning whatsoever?

EDIT: Taking a look at CSU's schedule, we need to keep blowing teams out like we have been. I think that, and Cato's publicity, are the only reasons we're ahead of CSU right now. The bottom line is that wins against Boston College and Colorado look better than any of our wins, IMO.

These are the major computer rankings and yes, these will hold relevance. These see through those wins. VT is 4-3 and lost to Pitt. SC is 4-3 also and UNC is 3-4. Average teams that do not boost SOS much higher than marshalls opponents. Looking at objective data, it is very reasonable to put us ahead of ECU. Their SOS the rest of the way is 88, ours is 102... plus we should get a title game against probably an 8 win team to help us a bit.

As it stands today, IMO, if boise wins out and we do, we get rhe access spot. If ECU loses again its over or if we lose its over for us. If CSU somehow wins their conference, then that could be interesting.

Again, this is today. VT, UNC and SC could win out then that point is moot. But if they end up 5-7 type teams, those wins aren't as pretty as they were, like they arent now. The AP poll is cool and all but it wont factor into the committees decisions officially, as they have a preseason poll. Not that they wont look at those polls and be humans of course.

Simple question: give me one team, either already played or upcoming, on Marshall's schedule, that you'd classify as a better win than vs. UNC or @ Virginia Tech.

The strawman crap was addressed in another topic. The SOS is so close it will not be a determining factor. Those wins are not remarkably better than a win over MTSU (vt) or Akron (unc), except in name only, which these polls expose. I will not get any more involved with a stupid hear say and opinion based argument with the stupid.... youll drag me down to your level and beat me with experience.

You don't know what a strawman is so stop attemping to use it.

You keep claiming that VT and UNC are "bad wins" so I asked for which wins you'd consider to be better on Marshall's schedule. If you find your "resume" to be superior than surely you can point to better wins, no?

BUt since you mentioned it, you're really claiming that the MTSU win is comparable to Virginia Tech? Really?

If you think he's wrong (I'm not saying he's right or wrong) why are you doing here then? If you really think ECU is better and has the better schedule and SOS, why are you trying to argue with somebody who A) you know he's wrong and B) won't change his mind.

This is like watching Democratic and Republican pundits arguing on FOX News or MSNBC. Nothing constructive is added to the conversation.

Let's all wait and see how much higher Marshall is than ECU and CSU in the official rankings - the only ones that really matter

If ECU loses another game, then it's race. Otherwise, I think a one-loss ECU is getting in over an undefeated Marshall or a one-loss Colorado State.

If we take out the highest and lowest for each team it's
_
Marshall 22.3
_
CSU 30.3
_
ECU 31.3

(10-20-2014 03:09 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(10-20-2014 03:05 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(10-20-2014 02:59 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(10-20-2014 02:48 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(10-20-2014 02:27 PM)RedParallax Wrote:  I don't understand how anyone or any computer can have us ahead of ECU. Granted, as a Marshall fan, I want that G5 Access Bowl bid with everything in me, but I just don't see how we can be ranked ahead of a program who beat VT, absolutely trounced UNC, and whose lone loss is to South Carolina.

Also, what relevance does this particular computerized poll hold, in the grand scheme of things? Or is this just yet another poll holding no meaning whatsoever?

EDIT: Taking a look at CSU's schedule, we need to keep blowing teams out like we have been. I think that, and Cato's publicity, are the only reasons we're ahead of CSU right now. The bottom line is that wins against Boston College and Colorado look better than any of our wins, IMO.

These are the major computer rankings and yes, these will hold relevance. These see through those wins. VT is 4-3 and lost to Pitt. SC is 4-3 also and UNC is 3-4. Average teams that do not boost SOS much higher than marshalls opponents. Looking at objective data, it is very reasonable to put us ahead of ECU. Their SOS the rest of the way is 88, ours is 102... plus we should get a title game against probably an 8 win team to help us a bit.

As it stands today, IMO, if boise wins out and we do, we get rhe access spot. If ECU loses again its over or if we lose its over for us. If CSU somehow wins their conference, then that could be interesting.

Again, this is today. VT, UNC and SC could win out then that point is moot. But if they end up 5-7 type teams, those wins aren't as pretty as they were, like they arent now. The AP poll is cool and all but it wont factor into the committees decisions officially, as they have a preseason poll. Not that they wont look at those polls and be humans of course.

Simple question: give me one team, either already played or upcoming, on Marshall's schedule, that you'd classify as a better win than vs. UNC or @ Virginia Tech.

The strawman crap was addressed in another topic. The SOS is so close it will not be a determining factor. Those wins are not remarkably better than a win over MTSU (vt) or Akron (unc), except in name only, which these polls expose. I will not get any more involved with a stupid hear say and opinion based argument with the stupid.... youll drag me down to your level and beat me with experience.

You don't know what a strawman is so stop attemping to use it.

You keep claiming that VT and UNC are "bad wins" so I asked for which wins you'd consider to be better on Marshall's schedule. If you find your "resume" to be superior than surely you can point to better wins, no?

BUt since you mentioned it, you're really claiming that the MTSU win is comparable to Virginia Tech? Really?

He said VT isn't a remarkably better win than MT and after the way the Hokies looked against Pitt, I wouldn't say the comment is as crazy as you seem to think.

(10-20-2014 04:20 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(10-20-2014 03:09 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(10-20-2014 03:05 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(10-20-2014 02:59 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(10-20-2014 02:48 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  These are the major computer rankings and yes, these will hold relevance. These see through those wins. VT is 4-3 and lost to Pitt. SC is 4-3 also and UNC is 3-4. Average teams that do not boost SOS much higher than marshalls opponents. Looking at objective data, it is very reasonable to put us ahead of ECU. Their SOS the rest of the way is 88, ours is 102... plus we should get a title game against probably an 8 win team to help us a bit.

As it stands today, IMO, if boise wins out and we do, we get rhe access spot. If ECU loses again its over or if we lose its over for us. If CSU somehow wins their conference, then that could be interesting.

Again, this is today. VT, UNC and SC could win out then that point is moot. But if they end up 5-7 type teams, those wins aren't as pretty as they were, like they arent now. The AP poll is cool and all but it wont factor into the committees decisions officially, as they have a preseason poll. Not that they wont look at those polls and be humans of course.

Simple question: give me one team, either already played or upcoming, on Marshall's schedule, that you'd classify as a better win than vs. UNC or @ Virginia Tech.

The strawman crap was addressed in another topic. The SOS is so close it will not be a determining factor. Those wins are not remarkably better than a win over MTSU (vt) or Akron (unc), except in name only, which these polls expose. I will not get any more involved with a stupid hear say and opinion based argument with the stupid.... youll drag me down to your level and beat me with experience.

You don't know what a strawman is so stop attemping to use it.

You keep claiming that VT and UNC are "bad wins" so I asked for which wins you'd consider to be better on Marshall's schedule. If you find your "resume" to be superior than surely you can point to better wins, no?

BUt since you mentioned it, you're really claiming that the MTSU win is comparable to Virginia Tech? Really?

He said VT isn't a remarkably better win than MT and after the way the Hokies looked against Pitt, I wouldn't say the comment is as crazy as you seem to think.

And what about the way VT looked against Ohio State?

Unless MT has a Top 10 win I'm missing, I'd say the VT win is remarkably better.