(10-20-2014 03:22 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 09:54 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  It was a game call, should've left it alone unless it was blatant. The throw wasn't even to that area.

I thought it was pretty blatant myself. admittedly the endzone angle Terry listed above makes it seem slightly little more questionable (mainly because of how fast it was), but you can only block like that when the pass is behind the line of scrimmage. If anything, had the throw been a little earlier (when he was still behind the line) the play would be legal.

Thing is, though, seems like the FSU defender's tactics were to block slant routes, so they weren't trying to disengage. The defenders wanted to jam the ND receivers as much as the ND receivers were trying to block them. So why flag the block not the jam?

(10-20-2014 03:31 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-20-2014 01:16 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  The refs called it because Jimbo Fisher pointed it out to them earlier in the game.

It's pretty clear from Terry's video that the refs bailed FSU out. Given how they reacted before they made contact with the ND receivers in front of them, neither FSU defender had any chance to cover the ND receiver who caught the ball. Each stepped inside to stop a slant, a fatal move given where the ball was going.

the problem is the refs can't change their call based on what the play was. How many times on kickoffs is a meaningless block in the back the reason why a kickoff is called back. If the guy from ND had been any more subtle, it's a no call and a easy TD.

(10-20-2014 03:34 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Thing is, though, seems like the FSU defender's tactics were to block slant routes, so they weren't trying to disengage.

You do realize that is perfectly legal, right? Both in college and in the NFL (in the NFL only for five yards though). But what the ND receivers were doing was not, unless the pass is behind the line of scrimmage.

Since the offense gets away with waaay too much pass interference in any given play, I have no sympathy when they get called on it. And those who say you don't make that call at that juncture: where is the fairness to the defense? Had the pass been incomplete, then had the quarterback been hit helmet to helmet AFTER the pass, which would not have affected it, no one would be crying that a roughing the passer was called. Even though it had no affect on the play. So even if you make the argument that the defense was out of position, how does that change the fact that they did commit a penalty? How many times have we seen the offense bailed out on a defensive holding call on the other side of the field? No one cries for the defense on that play. And the late hits as well. So all of this crying about the defense was bailed out, means nothing to me, even if they were. When you design a play that blatantly calls for the receivers to block in an illegal manner, you deserve whatever penalty you get.

(10-20-2014 03:24 PM)samandrea Wrote:  

(10-20-2014 02:21 PM)TerryD Wrote:  One more view?

http://m.wsbt.com/sports/a-new-look-at-t...u/29232562


This one makes me question the call more than ever. Oh well, on to the next game.

As a Carolina fan, I say this is karma for the 4th and 18 roughing the snapper crap call!

I do feel your pain, seriously. I recall ND being flagged for roughing the snapper years ago (Purdue, 2004?).

I didn't even know then that such a penalty even existed.

(10-20-2014 03:34 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(10-20-2014 03:31 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-20-2014 01:16 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  The refs called it because Jimbo Fisher pointed it out to them earlier in the game.

It's pretty clear from Terry's video that the refs bailed FSU out. Given how they reacted before they made contact with the ND receivers in front of them, neither FSU defender had any chance to cover the ND receiver who caught the ball. Each stepped inside to stop a slant, a fatal move given where the ball was going.

the problem is the refs can't change their call based on what the play was. How many times on kickoffs is a meaningless block in the back the reason why a kickoff is called back. If the guy from ND had been any more subtle, it's a no call and a easy TD.

Correct. Just let it go quo.

(10-20-2014 04:10 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(10-20-2014 03:24 PM)samandrea Wrote:  

(10-20-2014 02:21 PM)TerryD Wrote:  One more view?

http://m.wsbt.com/sports/a-new-look-at-t...u/29232562


This one makes me question the call more than ever. Oh well, on to the next game.

As a Carolina fan, I say this is karma for the 4th and 18 roughing the snapper crap call!

I do feel your pain, seriously. I recall ND being flagged for roughing the snapper years ago (Purdue, 2004?).

I didn't even know then that such a penalty even existed.

Guys, I am the last thing from a football rules expert in the world, as I have only watched football since 1957. Help me out here. I watched the play over and over. While I do think the Offensive Pass Interference call was 'correct', honestly it has gotten so that you cannot tell, because the Off and Def guys lock each other up intentionally, hoping to get a call, or an advantage, from strength or leverage. The 'legal' pick play has now gone pretty far.

I guess I am beginning to support my wife's idea of just letting them wear leather 'helmets' and play to the 'death' and hold, if they want to, on O or D. It is putting a lot of burden on the Refs to make those calls over and over correctly.

(10-20-2014 02:04 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I think the big question is just how good is FSU. They struggled with Oklahoma St, who TCU absolutely plastered. Right now FSU has a ton of questions. I came out of the game far more impressed with Notre Dame than I did FSU. If it's neutral/road game- ND wins and may not even have been all that close.

The comparison with TCU is a flawed one because OK State lost their starting QB after that game. Second, the TCU game was @ TCU vs neutral site.... completely different animal.

What FSU is experiencing this year is just how hard it is to repeat in college football. They get everyone's best shot and are now having to take on the role of villain. I do know this......if you do not put them away completely, you will lose.