(10-21-2014 08:19 AM)namrag Wrote:  

(10-20-2014 09:55 PM)letharion Wrote:  

(10-20-2014 08:29 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(10-20-2014 07:24 PM)QSECOFR Wrote:  "Sticks and stones..."

Name calling is never a reason to fight.

I wish the world operated with common sense occasionally. If you yell the N word at someone you should expect and deserve to get knocked out.

In my brief time looking at this board, this is probably the first time I agree with you. Drop that word and you're getting hit.

So what you are saying is black people are so unable to control themselves, that if someone uses a racial slur towards them it is justification for the black person to assault them?

That line of thinking is very, very racist. You are making the stereotype that black people are unable to control themselves.

Or, do you make the same exception allowing for physical assault for ANY race when a racial slur is directed towards them?

Maybe as a social experiment you should go to a bar and put that hypothesis to the test. It's not racist at all, there are things you can say to people of any race that will almost guarantee a fight. Why do people just ignore all common sense? This is how we get laws like the ones that prohibit one from firing at an intruder that is running from your property. We are responsible for our own actions, that includes saying stupid things to the wrong people.

Quote:Maybe as a social experiment you should go to a bar and put that hypothesis to the test. It's not racist at all, there are things you can say to people of any race that will almost guarantee a fight. Why do people just ignore all common sense? This is how we get laws like the ones that prohibit one from firing at an intruder that is running from your property. We are responsible for our own actions, that includes saying stupid things to the wrong people.

Bar justice may see it that way, but the legal system will not.

If I beat the crap out of a guy and put him in the hospital, you aren't going to hear a judge say, "Oh, he called your wife a c***, that's a different story. Charges dropped. Have a nice day."

I'm still going to have an assault charge.

(10-21-2014 08:39 AM)AeroCat Wrote:  

Quote:Maybe as a social experiment you should go to a bar and put that hypothesis to the test. It's not racist at all, there are things you can say to people of any race that will almost guarantee a fight. Why do people just ignore all common sense? This is how we get laws like the ones that prohibit one from firing at an intruder that is running from your property. We are responsible for our own actions, that includes saying stupid things to the wrong people.

Bar justice may see it that way, but the legal system will not.

If I beat the crap out of a guy and put him in the hospital, you aren't going to hear a judge say, "Oh, he called your wife a c***, that's a different story. Charges dropped. Have a nice day."

I'm still going to have an assault charge.

Not sure how I can make it more clear, my issue is with the legal system. What you call bar justice is what I'm calling common sense. If you cross a line running your mouth you will probably get hit and probably deserve it. I'm not saying our wonderful legal system will see it that way. Huge difference between right and legal.

(10-21-2014 08:33 AM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(10-21-2014 08:19 AM)namrag Wrote:  

(10-20-2014 09:55 PM)letharion Wrote:  

(10-20-2014 08:29 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(10-20-2014 07:24 PM)QSECOFR Wrote:  "Sticks and stones..."

Name calling is never a reason to fight.

I wish the world operated with common sense occasionally. If you yell the N word at someone you should expect and deserve to get knocked out.

In my brief time looking at this board, this is probably the first time I agree with you. Drop that word and you're getting hit.

So what you are saying is black people are so unable to control themselves, that if someone uses a racial slur towards them it is justification for the black person to assault them?

That line of thinking is very, very racist. You are making the stereotype that black people are unable to control themselves.

Or, do you make the same exception allowing for physical assault for ANY race when a racial slur is directed towards them?

Maybe as a social experiment you should go to a bar and put that hypothesis to the test. It's not racist at all, there are things you can say to people of any race that will almost guarantee a fight. Why do people just ignore all common sense? This is how we get laws like the ones that prohibit one from firing at an intruder that is running from your property. We are responsible for our own actions, that includes saying stupid things to the wrong people.

Here's another little social experiment, go out in public and physically assault someone who has a conceal and carry permit. Then see what the law says about who was at fault and who got what they deserved.

Reacting with physical assault when someone says something that you do not like is ALWAYS illegal, as it should be. To say that black people should not be held to the same standard as everyone else in this regards is a racist view. It is the racism of low expectations: black people are unable to control their emotions when insulted.
You making excuses and justifications for a racist belief does not change the fact that it is racist.

So in what other areas do you believe that black people are unable to conduct themselves in a manner that other races are expected to?

I don't think there is a single instance in recorded history where violence has made someone less ignorant.

My high school was 1/3 "negro". At that time that was considered the non offensive term. I often heard blacks call other blacks the "N" and if you asked them they would say "we can use it you can't" or "he is a "N"" and would say it meant he was low life or trash.

Now I am of Germanic origin. If you call me a "kraut" or "kraut head" no big deal. Friends that are Italian don't want to assault someone if called a "Wap".

This crap about being disrespected giving one the right to assault someone is childish and criminal.

(10-21-2014 08:45 AM)namrag Wrote:  

(10-21-2014 08:33 AM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(10-21-2014 08:19 AM)namrag Wrote:  

(10-20-2014 09:55 PM)letharion Wrote:  

(10-20-2014 08:29 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  I wish the world operated with common sense occasionally. If you yell the N word at someone you should expect and deserve to get knocked out.

In my brief time looking at this board, this is probably the first time I agree with you. Drop that word and you're getting hit.

So what you are saying is black people are so unable to control themselves, that if someone uses a racial slur towards them it is justification for the black person to assault them?

That line of thinking is very, very racist. You are making the stereotype that black people are unable to control themselves.

Or, do you make the same exception allowing for physical assault for ANY race when a racial slur is directed towards them?

Maybe as a social experiment you should go to a bar and put that hypothesis to the test. It's not racist at all, there are things you can say to people of any race that will almost guarantee a fight. Why do people just ignore all common sense? This is how we get laws like the ones that prohibit one from firing at an intruder that is running from your property. We are responsible for our own actions, that includes saying stupid things to the wrong people.

Here's another little social experiment, go out in public and physically assault someone who has a conceal and carry permit. Then see what the law says about who was at fault and who got what they deserved.

Reacting with physical assault when someone says something that you do not like is ALWAYS illegal, as it should be. To say that black people should not be held to the same standard as everyone else in this regards is a racist view. It is the racism of low expectations: black people are unable to control their emotions when insulted.
You making excuses and justifications for a racist belief does not change the fact that it is racist.

So in what other areas do you believe that black people are unable to conduct themselves in a manner that other races are expected to?

I am not arguing that it is legal, I'm also saying that, bear with me here, maybe, just maybe the law is different than what is right and what is wrong.

Your comments saying I'm racist must mean you haven't read what else I have said. If you verbally attack a (insert any race here) man's wife or a (insert any race here) man's child you're also inviting a physical confrontation.

(10-21-2014 08:52 AM)BeerCat Wrote:  I am not arguing that it is legal, I'm also saying that, bear with me here, maybe, just maybe the law is different than what is right and what is wrong.

Your comments saying I'm racist must mean you haven't read what else I have said. If you verbally attack a (insert any race here) man's wife or a (insert any race here) man's child you're also inviting a physical confrontation.

What I'm saying in response is that you may be inviting a physical confrontation, but there will be legal consequences for that violence and there should be. You just have to weigh if it is worth it.

When I was in my early 20's I was at a club with a girlfriend and some drunken ass shoved me into her and knocked her over. I picked her up, asked her if she was alright and told her I'd be right back. She said, "It's not worth it." I said, "No, it is".

She was saying that it was not worth getting hurt or getting in legal trouble. I was telling her that I understood the consequences and felt it was worth it. Mr. Evans didn't consider the consequences before acting.

BTW I haven't been in a fight since 5th grade, and I wouldn't even call that a fight. I'm just saying when people run their mouth and cross a line and then get hit, I don't feel bad for them.

Also, let us not forget the wisdom of the movie Roadhouse when Dalton says, "No one wins a fight"

TRUTH

(10-21-2014 09:00 AM)AeroCat Wrote:  the wisdom of the movie Roadhouse

never thought I would ever see this....although, I enjoyed that movie.

(10-21-2014 08:52 AM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(10-21-2014 08:45 AM)namrag Wrote:  

(10-21-2014 08:33 AM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(10-21-2014 08:19 AM)namrag Wrote:  

(10-20-2014 09:55 PM)letharion Wrote:  In my brief time looking at this board, this is probably the first time I agree with you. Drop that word and you're getting hit.

So what you are saying is black people are so unable to control themselves, that if someone uses a racial slur towards them it is justification for the black person to assault them?

That line of thinking is very, very racist. You are making the stereotype that black people are unable to control themselves.

Or, do you make the same exception allowing for physical assault for ANY race when a racial slur is directed towards them?

Maybe as a social experiment you should go to a bar and put that hypothesis to the test. It's not racist at all, there are things you can say to people of any race that will almost guarantee a fight. Why do people just ignore all common sense? This is how we get laws like the ones that prohibit one from firing at an intruder that is running from your property. We are responsible for our own actions, that includes saying stupid things to the wrong people.

Here's another little social experiment, go out in public and physically assault someone who has a conceal and carry permit. Then see what the law says about who was at fault and who got what they deserved.

Reacting with physical assault when someone says something that you do not like is ALWAYS illegal, as it should be. To say that black people should not be held to the same standard as everyone else in this regards is a racist view. It is the racism of low expectations: black people are unable to control their emotions when insulted.
You making excuses and justifications for a racist belief does not change the fact that it is racist.

So in what other areas do you believe that black people are unable to conduct themselves in a manner that other races are expected to?

I am not arguing that it is legal, I'm also saying that, bear with me here, maybe, just maybe the law is different than what is right and what is wrong.

Your comments saying I'm racist must mean you haven't read what else I have said. If you verbally attack a (insert any race here) man's wife or a (insert any race here) man's child you're also inviting a physical confrontation.

And the fault in your logic is that what you say is justification for physical assault is your definition only.

What if the guy next to you has a different definition, one that is much different than yours, and you unknowingly cross it? Is he then justified in assaulting you because you crossed HIS line?

YOU may say that as a white guy (I am assuming that you are), being called a cracker isn't a big deal. What if another white guy feels differently? Is he entitled to go around assaulting anyone who calls him that?

Hypothetical: What if a black guy called a white guy a racial term like cracker first? Then the white guy responded in kind with a racial slur back? What does your "right and wrong" barometer tell you in that situation?

And yes it does go back to racism. For some reason, based on what you have posted in this thread, you believe that black people should not be expected to control themselves if someone calls them a racial slur.

I personally feel that black people are just as equipped as anybody else when it comes to controlling their emotions under any circumstances.

All this talk about fighting makes me want to plug in my Nintendo, play River City Ransom and take out my frustrations on gangs. Or double dragon.

Tom Groeschen @TomGroeschen
#UC QB Jarred Evans suspended indefinitely until he clears his name, Tuberville says #Bearcats

Hope if he is innocent he gets his name cleared,as for football I am not upset at all,I don't want Gunnar coming off the field for even one play let alone a whole drive like TT has been doing,hopefully this puts and end to that.

(10-21-2014 11:18 AM)mikecat Wrote:  Hope if he is innocent he gets his name cleared,as for football I am not upset at all,I don't want Gunnar coming off the field for even one play let alone a whole drive like TT has been doing,hopefully this puts and end to that.

All that really does is give Munchie more playing time.

(10-21-2014 12:21 PM)ctipton Wrote:  

(10-21-2014 11:18 AM)mikecat Wrote:  Hope if he is innocent he gets his name cleared,as for football I am not upset at all,I don't want Gunnar coming off the field for even one play let alone a whole drive like TT has been doing,hopefully this puts and end to that.

All that really does is give Munchie more playing time.

True, plus the reason Jarred playing often last Saturday was to run the ball. Green and Hosey done for the year, Jarred a running threat done for ??? BTW Clemente Cassius is also done for the year, might get a medical redshirt. Guess we will see more Kevin Brown and Mouhon getting reps at LB.

(10-21-2014 09:43 AM)namrag Wrote:  And the fault in your logic is that what you say is justification for physical assault is your definition only.

What if the guy next to you has a different definition, one that is much different than yours, and you unknowingly cross it? Is he then justified in assaulting you because you crossed HIS line?

YOU may say that as a white guy (I am assuming that you are), being called a cracker isn't a big deal. What if another white guy feels differently? Is he entitled to go around assaulting anyone who calls him that?

Hypothetical: What if a black guy called a white guy a racial term like cracker first? Then the white guy responded in kind with a racial slur back? What does your "right and wrong" barometer tell you in that situation?

And yes it does go back to racism. For some reason, based on what you have posted in this thread, you believe that black people should not be expected to control themselves if someone calls them a racial slur.

I personally feel that black people are just as equipped as anybody else when it comes to controlling their emotions under any circumstances.

Well, the logic I use is to not say anything offensive (whether it's about race or whatever) to people who I don't know where that line is.

Are you even reading what I'm writing? I don't care if it is a racial slur or not, it was in this case which is why it was being discussed. My expectations are, regardless of race, if you say things to piss people off you shouldn't be surprised to get knocked out. So, to use cracker as an example, would I hit someone for saying it to me? No. But I'm sure there are plenty of people that would and I don't necessarily have a problem with that.

(10-21-2014 12:21 PM)ctipton Wrote:  

(10-21-2014 11:18 AM)mikecat Wrote:  Hope if he is innocent he gets his name cleared,as for football I am not upset at all,I don't want Gunnar coming off the field for even one play let alone a whole drive like TT has been doing,hopefully this puts and end to that.

All that really does is give Munchie more playing time.

Unless Gunner is hurt or we are up by 4 TDs, the NFL prospect should be in the game.

Tuberville:
"Right or wrong, football players, basketball players, athletes across the country are guilty until proven innocent, even in my eyes, because you're in the wrong place at the wrong time,"

"I don't know what happened, but we will find out. Right now he's suspended indefinitely. He won't be on the team, practice and meetings or any of that stuff, until he clears his name. Good chance he's not guilty, and if that is correct, he'll be back."