(10-19-2014 12:32 AM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  I think it's just as telling that no one school got more than 24 per cent of the votes. You would think that if there was a school that was truly deserving, there would be a majority that would pick that particular school. It says to me that no school warrants much consideration for inclusion into the club and there is no compelling reason to bring anyone else in.

Or it means there are a few deserving programs instead of just one.

This schools all need to split from their current congerence and form the sixth power conference.

East
East Carolina 21
Cincinnati 8
UCF 6
Marshall 5
UConn 2
Temple 1
West
BYU 24
Boise State 19
Houston 8
San Diego State 2
Fresno State 1
SMU 1

(10-19-2014 07:43 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  These are the same people with built in biases that voted Texas and Florida into the top 25 preseseason poll. They obviously don't know squat about who is deserving of anything.

Excellent observation! It appears that Texas A&M is another good example.

(10-19-2014 10:39 AM)BoiseStateOfMind Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 12:32 AM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  I think it's just as telling that no one school got more than 24 per cent of the votes. You would think that if there was a school that was truly deserving, there would be a majority that would pick that particular school. It says to me that no school warrants much consideration for inclusion into the club and there is no compelling reason to bring anyone else in.

Or it means there are a few deserving programs instead of just one.

+1

(10-19-2014 12:32 AM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  I think it's just as telling that no one school got more than 24 per cent of the votes. You would think that if there was a school that was truly deserving, there would be a majority that would pick that particular school. It says to me that no school warrants much consideration for inclusion into the club and there is no compelling reason to bring anyone else in.

But like Heinous said, the poll means nothing. If a conference somehow determines that it wants to add members, neither this poll nor the opinions of the public in general will have a bearing on who makes the short list.

I found it interesting so many schools got a vote.

To me, its BYU and nobody else is even close. They draw about 15k more in football than anyone else in the G5, probably draw more than anyone else in basketball, they are competitive in those and other sports and have the financial resources.

Houston is the one who has proven they can be competitive in a power conference. They were good in a broad variety of sports in the SWC when the SWC was one of the top conferences in the country.

UConn is the one who most "looks like" a P5 school. Its a large state research university in a state with a good sized population.

(10-20-2014 05:35 PM)BroncoBailey Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 10:39 AM)BoiseStateOfMind Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 12:32 AM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  I think it's just as telling that no one school got more than 24 per cent of the votes. You would think that if there was a school that was truly deserving, there would be a majority that would pick that particular school. It says to me that no school warrants much consideration for inclusion into the club and there is no compelling reason to bring anyone else in.

Or it means there are a few deserving programs instead of just one.

+1

BYU has the look, feel and taste of a major program. It's just too bad they didn't have the good fortune of being founded in one of the Carolinas like Duke, Wake, Clemson or Davidson (who could have been a charter member of the ACC). Or in Alabama like Auburn or in the eastern time zone period as the Big East was founded, with programs like Rutgers and Pitt now in the club (and yes, I know Pitt's history).

(10-20-2014 07:23 PM)bullet Wrote:  I found it interesting so many schools got a vote.

To me, its BYU and nobody else is even close. They draw about 15k more in football than anyone else in the G5, probably draw more than anyone else in basketball, they are competitive in those and other sports and have the financial resources.

Houston is the one who has proven they can be competitive in a power conference. They were good in a broad variety of sports in the SWC when the SWC was one of the top conferences in the country.

UConn is the one who most "looks like" a P5 school. Its a large state research university in a state with a good sized population.

Houston is such a range, at best dominating in the major sports (see Phi Slama Jama) and at worst resembling a Southland/FCS level program (see the sports program since the SWC, minus a few years).

And UConn is getting screwed in comparison to someone like Rutgers. They just got caught without a seat in the game of realignment musical chairs and will land somewhere the next time there's a game.

(10-20-2014 07:57 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(10-20-2014 05:35 PM)BroncoBailey Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 10:39 AM)BoiseStateOfMind Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 12:32 AM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  I think it's just as telling that no one school got more than 24 per cent of the votes. You would think that if there was a school that was truly deserving, there would be a majority that would pick that particular school. It says to me that no school warrants much consideration for inclusion into the club and there is no compelling reason to bring anyone else in.

Or it means there are a few deserving programs instead of just one.

+1

BYU has the look, feel and taste of a major program. It's just too bad they didn't have the good fortune of being founded in one of the Carolinas like Duke, Wake, Clemson or Davidson (who could have been a charter member of the ACC). Or in Alabama like Auburn or in the eastern time zone period as the Big East was founded, with programs like Rutgers and Pitt now in the club (and yes, I know Pitt's history).

(10-20-2014 07:23 PM)bullet Wrote:  I found it interesting so many schools got a vote.

To me, its BYU and nobody else is even close. They draw about 15k more in football than anyone else in the G5, probably draw more than anyone else in basketball, they are competitive in those and other sports and have the financial resources.

Houston is the one who has proven they can be competitive in a power conference. They were good in a broad variety of sports in the SWC when the SWC was one of the top conferences in the country.

UConn is the one who most "looks like" a P5 school. Its a large state research university in a state with a good sized population.

Houston is such a range, at best dominating in the major sports (see Phi Slama Jama) and at worst resembling a Southland/FCS level program (see the sports program since the SWC, minus a few years).

And UConn is getting screwed in comparison to someone like Rutgers. They just got caught without a seat in the game of realignment musical chairs and will land somewhere the next time there's a game.

RE: Houston--Really tough to be "minor" league in a pro sports town.

(10-20-2014 07:57 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(10-20-2014 05:35 PM)BroncoBailey Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 10:39 AM)BoiseStateOfMind Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 12:32 AM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  I think it's just as telling that no one school got more than 24 per cent of the votes. You would think that if there was a school that was truly deserving, there would be a majority that would pick that particular school. It says to me that no school warrants much consideration for inclusion into the club and there is no compelling reason to bring anyone else in.

Or it means there are a few deserving programs instead of just one.

+1

BYU has the look, feel and taste of a major program. It's just too bad they didn't have the good fortune of being founded in one of the Carolinas like Duke, Wake, Clemson or Davidson (who could have been a charter member of the ACC). Or in Alabama like Auburn or in the eastern time zone period as the Big East was founded, with programs like Rutgers and Pitt now in the club (and yes, I know Pitt's history).

(10-20-2014 07:23 PM)bullet Wrote:  I found it interesting so many schools got a vote.

To me, its BYU and nobody else is even close. They draw about 15k more in football than anyone else in the G5, probably draw more than anyone else in basketball, they are competitive in those and other sports and have the financial resources.

Houston is the one who has proven they can be competitive in a power conference. They were good in a broad variety of sports in the SWC when the SWC was one of the top conferences in the country.

UConn is the one who most "looks like" a P5 school. Its a large state research university in a state with a good sized population.

Houston is such a range, at best dominating in the major sports (see Phi Slama Jama) and at worst resembling a Southland/FCS level program (see the sports program since the SWC, minus a few years).

And UConn is getting screwed in comparison to someone like Rutgers. They just got caught without a seat in the game of realignment musical chairs and will land somewhere the next time there's a game.

Not unless they turn things around in football.

Their basketball is nice but it's hard to be "the best" at college football for long. It's all about when your team gets hot in the season.

If Rutgers, who has basically contributed nothing to the major sports except playing the first college football game and the 1976 Final Four, can land in the Big 10, then UConn will find their place.

I'm curious why somebody would take a poll of coaches on this. It's not like they have a voice in things like this. Or like they should have a voice.

As for Rutgers vs UConn, the fact that Rutgers got into the club doesn't suggest that UConn eventually will. It is, IMO, more a case of somebody wanting a token representative in the greater NYC area, and you only need one token. Unless Rutgers decides to drop football, I think UConn will stay on the outside looking in.

(10-20-2014 07:57 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  BYU has the look, feel and taste of a major program. It's just too bad they didn't have the good fortune of being founded in one of the Carolinas like Duke, Wake, Clemson or Davidson (who could have been a charter member of the ACC). Or in Alabama like Auburn or in the eastern time zone period as the Big East was founded, with programs like Rutgers and Pitt now in the club (and yes, I know Pitt's history).

By many accounts, BYU had the option to join the Big 12 at one point, or at least were in negotiations, but they would not give in on certain points. That is their prerogative, but it means that they didn't need to be founded in a different geographical area to be part of it.

(10-20-2014 07:23 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 12:32 AM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  I think it's just as telling that no one school got more than 24 per cent of the votes. You would think that if there was a school that was truly deserving, there would be a majority that would pick that particular school. It says to me that no school warrants much consideration for inclusion into the club and there is no compelling reason to bring anyone else in.

But like Heinous said, the poll means nothing. If a conference somehow determines that it wants to add members, neither this poll nor the opinions of the public in general will have a bearing on who makes the short list.

I found it interesting so many schools got a vote.

To me, its BYU and nobody else is even close. They draw about 15k more in football than anyone else in the G5, probably draw more than anyone else in basketball, they are competitive in those and other sports and have the financial resources.

Houston is the one who has proven they can be competitive in a power conference. They were good in a broad variety of sports in the SWC when the SWC was one of the top conferences in the country.

UConn is the one who most "looks like" a P5 school. Its a large state research university in a state with a good sized population.

I assume you mean "flagship" state university. Cincinnati, USF, UCF and Houston and San Diego State* are also large state research universities in states with a good sized population. Hell, Cincinnati and USF outperforms UConn in research by a pretty wide margin.

* I would throw Temple into this mix too but they are technically state-affiliated.

(10-21-2014 01:42 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(10-20-2014 07:23 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 12:32 AM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  I think it's just as telling that no one school got more than 24 per cent of the votes. You would think that if there was a school that was truly deserving, there would be a majority that would pick that particular school. It says to me that no school warrants much consideration for inclusion into the club and there is no compelling reason to bring anyone else in.

But like Heinous said, the poll means nothing. If a conference somehow determines that it wants to add members, neither this poll nor the opinions of the public in general will have a bearing on who makes the short list.

I found it interesting so many schools got a vote.

To me, its BYU and nobody else is even close. They draw about 15k more in football than anyone else in the G5, probably draw more than anyone else in basketball, they are competitive in those and other sports and have the financial resources.

Houston is the one who has proven they can be competitive in a power conference. They were good in a broad variety of sports in the SWC when the SWC was one of the top conferences in the country.

UConn is the one who most "looks like" a P5 school. Its a large state research university in a state with a good sized population.

I assume you mean "flagship" state university. Cincinnati, USF, UCF and Houston and San Diego State* are also large state research universities in states with a good sized population. Hell, Cincinnati and USF outperforms UConn in research by a pretty wide margin.

* I would throw Temple into this mix too but they are technically state-affiliated.

Flagship as opposed to urban universities like the 5 you mentioned.

(10-21-2014 10:56 AM)ken d Wrote:  I'm curious why somebody would take a poll of coaches on this. It's not like they have a voice in things like this. Or like they should have a voice.

As for Rutgers vs UConn, the fact that Rutgers got into the club doesn't suggest that UConn eventually will. It is, IMO, more a case of somebody wanting a token representative in the greater NYC area, and you only need one token. Unless Rutgers decides to drop football, I think UConn will stay on the outside looking in.

Because there is one slot left to be filled by a Mid Major team after the Big 12 is parceled out.