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RE: Coaches Poll out (UConn 15, SMU 22, Memphis 31)
(10-17-2014 09:08 AM)Tgrrfan Wrote:  Our greatest obstacles this year will be, in order:

1) toughness
2) defense
3) outside shooting

Our team is built to play a finesse game. Set offense with plays that mimic the Princeton scheme. I also think our "tempo" stat will be in the lower 50% of the teams in the country. I don't see a lot of quickness.

But let's see what Josh's plan is for this year.

"Rebound. Run. Defend."- Josh Pastner, 2010.

If we don't have the personnel to do that by now then we're never going to have a scheme.

Also, I don't think we'll have trouble shooting the ball this season, it may actually be one of our strengths.

One of our fairly common lineups at the 1-3 (Pookie, Burrell, King) can stroke it.
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RE: Coaches Poll out (UConn 15, SMU 22, Memphis 31)
(10-17-2014 10:25 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  
(10-17-2014 09:08 AM)Tgrrfan Wrote:  Our greatest obstacles this year will be, in order:

1) toughness
2) defense
3) outside shooting

Our team is built to play a finesse game. Set offense with plays that mimic the Princeton scheme. I also think our "tempo" stat will be in the lower 50% of the teams in the country. I don't see a lot of quickness.

But let's see what Josh's plan is for this year.

"Rebound. Run. Defend."- Josh Pastner, 2010.

If we don't have the personnel to do that by now then we're never going to have a scheme.

Also, I don't think we'll have trouble shooting the ball this season, it may actually be one of our strengths.

One of our fairly common lineups at the 1-3 (Pookie, Burrell, King) can stroke it.

Based upon what?

Nick made FIVE threes all season (5-16 31.3%) and the other two have never taken an attempt in D1 ball. There is no data that indicates that statement to be true.

The returning Tigers were 7-27 (25.9%) combined from three last year.

I don't mind speculating that the frontcount will be strong or that the team can play both small or big, but asserting that outside shooting will be a strong point is just wishful thinking at this point.
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RE: Coaches Poll out (UConn 15, SMU 22, Memphis 31)
(10-17-2014 12:15 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(10-17-2014 10:25 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  
(10-17-2014 09:08 AM)Tgrrfan Wrote:  Our greatest obstacles this year will be, in order:

1) toughness
2) defense
3) outside shooting

Our team is built to play a finesse game. Set offense with plays that mimic the Princeton scheme. I also think our "tempo" stat will be in the lower 50% of the teams in the country. I don't see a lot of quickness.

But let's see what Josh's plan is for this year.

"Rebound. Run. Defend."- Josh Pastner, 2010.

If we don't have the personnel to do that by now then we're never going to have a scheme.

Also, I don't think we'll have trouble shooting the ball this season, it may actually be one of our strengths.

One of our fairly common lineups at the 1-3 (Pookie, Burrell, King) can stroke it.

Based upon what?

Nick made FIVE threes all season (5-16 31.3%) and the other two have never taken an attempt in D1 ball. There is no data that indicates that statement to be true.

The returning Tigers were 7-27 (25.9%) combined from three last year.

I don't mind speculating that the frontcount will be strong or that the team can play both small or big, but asserting that outside shooting will be a strong point is just wishful thinking at this point.

For what it's worth...

Powell shot 34% in HS.
Burrell shot 34% in JC.
King shot 43% in HS.

I have no idea how that will translate this season.
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RE: Coaches Poll out (UConn 15, SMU 22, Memphis 31)
(10-17-2014 12:34 PM)3601 Wrote:  
(10-17-2014 12:15 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(10-17-2014 10:25 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  
(10-17-2014 09:08 AM)Tgrrfan Wrote:  Our greatest obstacles this year will be, in order:

1) toughness
2) defense
3) outside shooting

Our team is built to play a finesse game. Set offense with plays that mimic the Princeton scheme. I also think our "tempo" stat will be in the lower 50% of the teams in the country. I don't see a lot of quickness.

But let's see what Josh's plan is for this year.

"Rebound. Run. Defend."- Josh Pastner, 2010.

If we don't have the personnel to do that by now then we're never going to have a scheme.

Also, I don't think we'll have trouble shooting the ball this season, it may actually be one of our strengths.

One of our fairly common lineups at the 1-3 (Pookie, Burrell, King) can stroke it.

Based upon what?

Nick made FIVE threes all season (5-16 31.3%) and the other two have never taken an attempt in D1 ball. There is no data that indicates that statement to be true.

The returning Tigers were 7-27 (25.9%) combined from three last year.

I don't mind speculating that the frontcount will be strong or that the team can play both small or big, but asserting that outside shooting will be a strong point is just wishful thinking at this point.

For what it's worth...

Powell shot 34% in HS.
Burrell shot 34% in JC.
King shot 43% in HS.

I have no idea how that will translate this season.

HS isn't D1 ball. Nick King also averaged 27 ppg and 15 rpg...does that mean that he will average that in D1? Of course not.

I understand you note that you don't know how that will translate--which I think is proper. We don't know and those numbers aren't generally a good indication of D1 performance.
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RE: Coaches Poll out (UConn 15, SMU 22, Memphis 31)
(10-17-2014 12:54 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(10-17-2014 12:34 PM)3601 Wrote:  
(10-17-2014 12:15 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(10-17-2014 10:25 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  
(10-17-2014 09:08 AM)Tgrrfan Wrote:  Our greatest obstacles this year will be, in order:

1) toughness
2) defense
3) outside shooting

Our team is built to play a finesse game. Set offense with plays that mimic the Princeton scheme. I also think our "tempo" stat will be in the lower 50% of the teams in the country. I don't see a lot of quickness.

But let's see what Josh's plan is for this year.

"Rebound. Run. Defend."- Josh Pastner, 2010.

If we don't have the personnel to do that by now then we're never going to have a scheme.

Also, I don't think we'll have trouble shooting the ball this season, it may actually be one of our strengths.

One of our fairly common lineups at the 1-3 (Pookie, Burrell, King) can stroke it.

Based upon what?

Nick made FIVE threes all season (5-16 31.3%) and the other two have never taken an attempt in D1 ball. There is no data that indicates that statement to be true.

The returning Tigers were 7-27 (25.9%) combined from three last year.

I don't mind speculating that the frontcount will be strong or that the team can play both small or big, but asserting that outside shooting will be a strong point is just wishful thinking at this point.

For what it's worth...

Powell shot 34% in HS.
Burrell shot 34% in JC.
King shot 43% in HS.

I have no idea how that will translate this season.

HS isn't D1 ball. Nick King also averaged 27 ppg and 15 rpg...does that mean that he will average that in D1? Of course not.

I understand you note that you don't know how that will translate--which I think is proper. We don't know and those numbers aren't generally a good indication of D1 performance.

HS isn't D1?
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(10-17-2014 12:15 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(10-17-2014 10:25 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  
(10-17-2014 09:08 AM)Tgrrfan Wrote:  Our greatest obstacles this year will be, in order:

1) toughness
2) defense
3) outside shooting

Our team is built to play a finesse game. Set offense with plays that mimic the Princeton scheme. I also think our "tempo" stat will be in the lower 50% of the teams in the country. I don't see a lot of quickness.

But let's see what Josh's plan is for this year.

"Rebound. Run. Defend."- Josh Pastner, 2010.

If we don't have the personnel to do that by now then we're never going to have a scheme.

Also, I don't think we'll have trouble shooting the ball this season, it may actually be one of our strengths.

One of our fairly common lineups at the 1-3 (Pookie, Burrell, King) can stroke it.

Based upon what?

Nick made FIVE threes all season (5-16 31.3%) and the other two have never taken an attempt in D1 ball. There is no data that indicates that statement to be true.

The returning Tigers were 7-27 (25.9%) combined from three last year.

I don't mind speculating that the frontcount will be strong or that the team can play both small or big, but asserting that outside shooting will be a strong point is just wishful thinking at this point.

My expectations. Nick shot 31.3%, Woodson 37% in Juco (and if practice reports are correct, he could get big minutes) and Pookie may have the best stroke of all of them.

I'm not saying that the frontcourt will be strong by any stretch of the imagination, far from it. I'm saying that I don't think three point shooting will be an issue, at least not as big of an issue as last season.

EDIT: Hell, Kedren was 35% in his last season on 150+ attempts.
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(10-17-2014 01:20 PM)3601 Wrote:  
(10-17-2014 12:54 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(10-17-2014 12:34 PM)3601 Wrote:  
(10-17-2014 12:15 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(10-17-2014 10:25 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  "Rebound. Run. Defend."- Josh Pastner, 2010.

If we don't have the personnel to do that by now then we're never going to have a scheme.

Also, I don't think we'll have trouble shooting the ball this season, it may actually be one of our strengths.

One of our fairly common lineups at the 1-3 (Pookie, Burrell, King) can stroke it.

Based upon what?

Nick made FIVE threes all season (5-16 31.3%) and the other two have never taken an attempt in D1 ball. There is no data that indicates that statement to be true.

The returning Tigers were 7-27 (25.9%) combined from three last year.

I don't mind speculating that the frontcount will be strong or that the team can play both small or big, but asserting that outside shooting will be a strong point is just wishful thinking at this point.

For what it's worth...

Powell shot 34% in HS.
Burrell shot 34% in JC.
King shot 43% in HS.

I have no idea how that will translate this season.

HS isn't D1 ball. Nick King also averaged 27 ppg and 15 rpg...does that mean that he will average that in D1? Of course not.

I understand you note that you don't know how that will translate--which I think is proper. We don't know and those numbers aren't generally a good indication of D1 performance.

HS isn't D1?

No, except for the fans who expect the players to replicate HS or JUCO numbers their first year of high level basketball. Because shooting a three over some jabroni on Hillcrest or Southwest River CC is just like D1 ball.
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RE: Coaches Poll out (UConn 15, SMU 22, Memphis 31)
(10-17-2014 03:45 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(10-17-2014 01:20 PM)3601 Wrote:  
(10-17-2014 12:54 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(10-17-2014 12:34 PM)3601 Wrote:  
(10-17-2014 12:15 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Based upon what?

Nick made FIVE threes all season (5-16 31.3%) and the other two have never taken an attempt in D1 ball. There is no data that indicates that statement to be true.

The returning Tigers were 7-27 (25.9%) combined from three last year.

I don't mind speculating that the frontcount will be strong or that the team can play both small or big, but asserting that outside shooting will be a strong point is just wishful thinking at this point.

For what it's worth...

Powell shot 34% in HS.
Burrell shot 34% in JC.
King shot 43% in HS.

I have no idea how that will translate this season.

HS isn't D1 ball. Nick King also averaged 27 ppg and 15 rpg...does that mean that he will average that in D1? Of course not.

I understand you note that you don't know how that will translate--which I think is proper. We don't know and those numbers aren't generally a good indication of D1 performance.

HS isn't D1?

No, except for the fans who expect the players to replicate HS or JUCO numbers their first year of high level basketball. Because shooting a three over some jabroni on Hillcrest or Southwest River CC is just like D1 ball.

That is true but some of our kids hit some serious mental walls...Nick King for instance was a decent FT shooter in High School and that line, goal height and everything didn't change a bit
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It does seem like there are some unreal expectations in regards to Burrell.
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(10-17-2014 03:52 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(10-17-2014 03:45 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(10-17-2014 01:20 PM)3601 Wrote:  
(10-17-2014 12:54 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(10-17-2014 12:34 PM)3601 Wrote:  For what it's worth...

Powell shot 34% in HS.
Burrell shot 34% in JC.
King shot 43% in HS.

I have no idea how that will translate this season.

HS isn't D1 ball. Nick King also averaged 27 ppg and 15 rpg...does that mean that he will average that in D1? Of course not.

I understand you note that you don't know how that will translate--which I think is proper. We don't know and those numbers aren't generally a good indication of D1 performance.

HS isn't D1?

No, except for the fans who expect the players to replicate HS or JUCO numbers their first year of high level basketball. Because shooting a three over some jabroni on Hillcrest or Southwest River CC is just like D1 ball.

That is true but some of our kids hit some serious mental walls...Nick King for instance was a decent FT shooter in High School and that line, goal height and everything didn't change a bit

Which further supports the idea that one can't just hope/assume D1 stats will come like they did in high school. Perhaps the ELITE can do the same, but the other 99% will have slippage.
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(10-17-2014 03:52 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(10-17-2014 03:45 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(10-17-2014 01:20 PM)3601 Wrote:  
(10-17-2014 12:54 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(10-17-2014 12:34 PM)3601 Wrote:  For what it's worth...

Powell shot 34% in HS.
Burrell shot 34% in JC.
King shot 43% in HS.

I have no idea how that will translate this season.

HS isn't D1 ball. Nick King also averaged 27 ppg and 15 rpg...does that mean that he will average that in D1? Of course not.

I understand you note that you don't know how that will translate--which I think is proper. We don't know and those numbers aren't generally a good indication of D1 performance.

HS isn't D1?

No, except for the fans who expect the players to replicate HS or JUCO numbers their first year of high level basketball. Because shooting a three over some jabroni on Hillcrest or Southwest River CC is just like D1 ball.

That is true but some of our kids hit some serious mental walls...Nick King for instance was a decent FT shooter in High School and that line, goal height and everything didn't change a bit

Which further supports the idea that one can't just hope/assume D1 stats will come like they did in high school. Perhaps the ELITE can do the same, but the other 99% will have slippage.
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(10-16-2014 12:41 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Ranks since 2009 (coaches poll):

Preseason: NR, 19, 9, 16, 13, NR
Postseason: NR, NR, NR, 15, NR, --

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I would be thrilled if kuran could play pf as well as he did in canada
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Bullcrap rankings...

We're #1 and 40-0 until proven otherwise...
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(10-17-2014 03:57 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  It does seem like there are some unreal expectations in regards to Burrell.


You might be confusing potential with expectations.

He's has has some high praise from the staff, but still just a JC who hasn't played D1 yet.

I think he could be really good, maybe even a breakout player, but I certainly don't expect him to be.
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(10-18-2014 02:24 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(10-17-2014 03:57 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  It does seem like there are some unreal expectations in regards to Burrell.


You might be confusing potential with expectations.

He's has has some high praise from the staff, but still just a JC who hasn't played D1 yet.

I think he could be really good, maybe even a breakout player, but I certainly don't expect him to be.

I'm talking some fans on this message board. Quite a few are saying he's even going to be our best player and/or leading scorer. Hey I hope they are right, because if he's better than Nichols/Shaq then we should be special. Problem is these same "good fans" will be the first ones to throw them under the bus just like they did Dixon and Geron last year
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(10-18-2014 08:37 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  I'm talking some fans on this message board. Quite a few are saying he's even going to be our best player and/or leading scorer. Hey I hope they are right, because if he's better than Nichols/Shaq then we should be special. Problem is these same "good fans" will be the first ones to throw them under the bus just like they did Dixon and Geron last year


Well that's what I was talking about.

I read several people say he might be good enough to be our best player, but I think you are overstating the level certainly those posters suggested. Its a well know fact that some coaches are really high on him and that got some fans talking about a possible surprise breakout type guy emerging.

I didn't bother researching it, but I imagine most posters talking him up were using words like "might" or "could be". He's a JC, not a 5 star. We have to wait and see.

I don't really care about that other stuff.
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(10-17-2014 03:45 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(10-17-2014 01:20 PM)3601 Wrote:  
(10-17-2014 12:54 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(10-17-2014 12:34 PM)3601 Wrote:  
(10-17-2014 12:15 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Based upon what?

Nick made FIVE threes all season (5-16 31.3%) and the other two have never taken an attempt in D1 ball. There is no data that indicates that statement to be true.

The returning Tigers were 7-27 (25.9%) combined from three last year.

I don't mind speculating that the frontcount will be strong or that the team can play both small or big, but asserting that outside shooting will be a strong point is just wishful thinking at this point.

For what it's worth...

Powell shot 34% in HS.
Burrell shot 34% in JC.
King shot 43% in HS.

I have no idea how that will translate this season.

HS isn't D1 ball. Nick King also averaged 27 ppg and 15 rpg...does that mean that he will average that in D1? Of course not.

I understand you note that you don't know how that will translate--which I think is proper. We don't know and those numbers aren't generally a good indication of D1 performance.

HS isn't D1?

No, except for the fans who expect the players to replicate HS or JUCO numbers their first year of high level basketball. Because shooting a three over some jabroni on Hillcrest or Southwest River CC is just like D1 ball.

I was being facetious.
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(10-20-2014 01:32 PM)3601 Wrote:  
(10-17-2014 03:45 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(10-17-2014 01:20 PM)3601 Wrote:  
(10-17-2014 12:54 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(10-17-2014 12:34 PM)3601 Wrote:  For what it's worth...

Powell shot 34% in HS.
Burrell shot 34% in JC.
King shot 43% in HS.

I have no idea how that will translate this season.

HS isn't D1 ball. Nick King also averaged 27 ppg and 15 rpg...does that mean that he will average that in D1? Of course not.

I understand you note that you don't know how that will translate--which I think is proper. We don't know and those numbers aren't generally a good indication of D1 performance.

HS isn't D1?

No, except for the fans who expect the players to replicate HS or JUCO numbers their first year of high level basketball. Because shooting a three over some jabroni on Hillcrest or Southwest River CC is just like D1 ball.

I was being facetious.

Good.
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