(10-15-2014 01:06 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  I'd be happy with Cruz, Perry, Jindal, Paul, Romney, Ryan, or Walker.
I could accept Carson, Kasich, Rubio, Pence.
I"d say "heck no" to Santorum, Christie, Bush, Huckabee and Portman.

Rand would be my #1 choice, obviously.

I'd put Perry in the "no" column. He's been a good governor, but not presidential material.

Otherwise, pretty much agree with you.

(10-16-2014 01:36 AM)Kronke Wrote:  

(10-16-2014 12:40 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(10-16-2014 12:18 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Paul Ryan's F/U are nice.

Most Republicans think very highly of him, yes.

Not sure why. What has he ever done other than lose a debate to of all people, Joe Biden.

Vouchercare has him drawing dead before his campaign even gets off the ground. Even if it were a good plan in theory (it isn't), seniors are never going to buy into such drastic reforms to their health care. He comes off as just a "numbers guy", with no actual ability to lead. He'd get less of the swing vote than Ted Cruz. Democrats would have a field day with some of his comments on entitlements (and you know how that riles up their base like nothing else), and I can also picture the likes of Rand Paul running him out of the room in a debate.

He just isn't a strong candidate, and I'd lean against him even running. He's much more likely to focus his time on becoming the Chairman of the Way and Means committee.

Another guy whose F/U I don't get is Rick Perry.

Texas is ground zero for Obama hate and he's the leader of Texas, ergo why his F/U numbers are so high. I think he is the sleeper. He wasn't prepared in 2012, he'll be in 2016. He also didn't match up well to Mitt Romney, their styles are different. Mitt speaks really fast and will talk through you, none of the other candidates will do that.

(10-16-2014 07:17 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-15-2014 12:52 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(10-15-2014 12:42 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  I'm disappointed in this list.

Who do you want?

He'd like Marx, Lenin, Mao, and Castro.

No.

Quote:Rand would be my #1 choice, obviously.

I'd put Perry in the "no" column. He's been a good governor, but not presidential material.

Otherwise, pretty much agree with you.

Quote:I'd be happy with Cruz, Perry, Jindal, Paul, Romney, Ryan, or Walker.
I could accept Carson, Kasich, Rubio, Pence.
I"d say "heck no" to Santorum, Christie, Bush, Huckabee and Portman.

Perry/Jindal/Romney/Ryan all make my skin crawl

I could live with Carson or Rubio.

I agree with your heck nos.

I can understand why some people don't like Perry. I do think he's got the qualifications for the office, although he does have some issues (just like in 2012)

I will say that Perry made a major FUBAR yesterday, when he wasn't going to cancel his European trip (i think it was to test his Foreign Diplomatic skills for a possible Presidential run) after the Ebola issue cropped up, but about 15 minutes after the story broke, his entourage said he was cancelling the trip.


Why the Jindal and Ryan hate though, JD?

Quote:Not sure why. What has he ever done other than lose a debate to of all people, Joe Biden.

Were we watching the same debate/post-debate polls? Ryan CLEANED Biden's clock, and Biden got laughed at for being all smirky and smarmy because he couldn't respond to Ryan's points in that debate.

(10-15-2014 01:06 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(10-15-2014 12:42 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  I'm disappointed in this list.

Really?

I'd be happy with Cruz, Perry, Jindal, Paul, Romney, Ryan, or Walker.

I could accept Carson, Kasich, Rubio, Pence

None of these people will ever become president of the United States of America.

Quote:Were we watching the same debate/post-debate polls? Ryan CLEANED Biden's clock, and Biden got laughed at for being all smirky and smarmy because he couldn't respond to Ryan's points in that debate.

I really disagree with his Louisiana politicking. And Biden is a moron. When I get a chance I'll type up a healthier response. At work and this wouldn't do justice to how I feel.

(10-16-2014 10:42 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

Quote:Not sure why. What has he ever done other than lose a debate to of all people, Joe Biden.

Were we watching the same debate/post-debate polls? Ryan CLEANED Biden's clock, and Biden got laughed at for being all smirky and smarmy because he couldn't respond to Ryan's points in that debate.

Yeah. Some said Biden, some said Ryan. It can be a highly subjective (and highly biased) thing to judge, but my own view is that Biden won. Even if it were close (save me the response if you're going to say "It wasn't close"), the thought that the Republican's "poster boy mastermind" couldn't dominate Biden is embarrassing.

His reforms are too extreme, and will never gain bipartisan support. His whole "These are my numbers, so you should just trust me and do exactly what I say or we're doomed" shtick isn't what is best for the country, IMO.

His feigned outrage during those IRS hearings a few weeks back was a joke, too.

Bottom line, I'd never vote for him and I'd hope we can field a better candidate. With that said, again I think this is moot, because I doubt he runs.

Kronke, we'll just have to completely disagree on the VP debate that took place.

Reasons for not voting him differ than what you saw in a debate though:

You think he feigned his outrage at the IRS? The man has been pretty adamant about what the IRS did and should have been ashamed of doing.

Quote:His whole "These are my numbers, so you should just trust me and do exactly what I say or we're doomed"

I'll disagree with you here as well.. Let's not forget he was one of the BIGGEST critics of Romneycare in Massachusetts and it working on a national level, but he even said something along the lines that if that's what it took to get Mitt elected and run with something along those lines, he'd be willing to do it.

So I don't think he's as hard headed in his stances as you think.

(10-16-2014 11:24 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  Kronke, we'll just have to completely disagree on the VP debate that took place.

Reasons for not voting him differ than what you saw in a debate though:

You think he feigned his outrage at the IRS? The man has been pretty adamant about what the IRS did and should have been ashamed of doing.

Quote:His whole "These are my numbers, so you should just trust me and do exactly what I say or we're doomed"

I'll disagree with you here as well.. Let's not forget he was one of the BIGGEST critics of Romneycare in Massachusetts and it working on a national level, but he even said something along the lines that if that's what it took to get Mitt elected and run with something along those lines, he'd be willing to do it.

So I don't think he's as hard headed in his stances as you think.

Honestly, there are people, that when they walk into a room, or walk onto a stage command and ooze leadership. Paul Ryan doesn't. He may be smart - heck, he may be right, but his doesn't project leadership - at least to me.

Given that whomever the Republicans nominate, they'll likely be facing Killary, and I just feel the country is/will be ready to vote for someone that exudes leadership. Particularly given the leaderless last 6 years.

IMO, Republicans will be making a mistake if their chosen candidate isn't a demonstrated leader.

(10-16-2014 02:44 PM)Crebman Wrote:  there are people, that when they walk into a room, or walk onto a stage command and ooze leadership. Paul Ryan doesn't. He may be smart - heck, he may be right, but his doesn't project leadership - at least to me.

Given that whomever the Republicans nominate, they'll likely be facing Killary, and I just feel the country is/will be ready to vote for someone that exudes leadership. Particularly given the leaderless last 6 years.

IMO, Republicans will be making a mistake if their chosen candidate isn't a demonstrated leader.

I agree with all of this, including the parts about Paul Ryan. He was ideally suited as the VP nominee with Romney, but he seems very ill-suited to be a presidential candidate.