(10-24-2014 03:27 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 02:20 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 02:07 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  WTH?? Nina viral free after a week at NIH with no experimental therapies administered? I call BS on this. Lots more than just supportive treatment was administered. And of course the obligatory photo-op.

The overall survival rate of the current ebola outbreak is around 50% (WHO), that includes folks in Africa. So, just because someone didn't get some experimental drug doesn't mean they should have died.

But to go to zero viral load and well enough to meet the President in a week??

Obamacare's revenge...

Besides, she'd been hospitalized for 13 days ... she was in good condition when she left for NIH.

(10-17-2014 08:05 AM)I45owl Wrote:  Whatever happens with the current outbreak and with whatever comes out of Africa in the future, these folks are key to stopping the virus, they are putting their lives at risk, and they need to be taken care of. Set aside judging their actions and judgement after the fact - those are really management issues that should've been addressed by the CDC and/or hospital.

This comes from the hospital web site...

http://texashealth.org/ebola-virus

edit: note that the gofundme link comes from the hospital website here: http://www.texashealth.org/news-alert.cf...l&ref=1891

Nina Pham by Sarah Strittmatter - GoFundMe

http://www.gofundme.com/fsqtbo Wrote:This is the official Go Fund Me account to help support Nina Pham and her family in their time of need.  Nina is the nurse who is currently fighting Ebola in Dallas Presbyterian Hospital as a result of her selfless devotion to nursing care for Ebola patient Eric Duncan.

Like soldiers protecting our freedom from foreign enemies, our doctors and nurses are protecting our health. All three should always be remembered as heroes. And all three put their lives in danger.

(10-24-2014 03:27 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 02:20 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 02:07 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  WTH?? Nina viral free after a week at NIH with no experimental therapies administered? I call BS on this. Lots more than just supportive treatment was administered. And of course the obligatory photo-op.

The overall survival rate of the current ebola outbreak is around 50% (WHO), that includes folks in Africa. So, just because someone didn't get some experimental drug doesn't mean they should have died.

But to go to zero viral load and well enough to meet the President in a week??

From what I've read an early diagnosis makes a world of difference. Her early diagnosis coupled with getting excellent healthcare here in the US is probably what helped her recover so quickly. It's a good sign, IMO.

(10-25-2014 06:36 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 03:27 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 02:20 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 02:07 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  WTH?? Nina viral free after a week at NIH with no experimental therapies administered? I call BS on this. Lots more than just supportive treatment was administered. And of course the obligatory photo-op.

The overall survival rate of the current ebola outbreak is around 50% (WHO), that includes folks in Africa. So, just because someone didn't get some experimental drug doesn't mean they should have died.

But to go to zero viral load and well enough to meet the President in a week??

From what I've read an early diagnosis makes a world of difference. Her early diagnosis coupled with getting excellent healthcare here in the US is probably what helped her recover so quickly. It's a good sign, IMO.

If that's the case, then it may be possible that Thomas Duncan died unnecessarily. But, after listening to 60 minutes last night, it's pretty clear that the nurses that treated him believed that he lied to them, changing his story and later contradicting himself.

I wonder if better ability to treat the symptoms alone may be a big part of the reason that the record in the west looks much better than the survival rate in Africa.

To be brutally honest, I'm getting really tired of this contrived idea that everybody is a hero. No.

Calling a person a hero is a highlight. But, when everything is highlighted nothing is highlighted.

(10-27-2014 09:33 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  To be brutally honest, I'm getting really tired of this contrived idea that everybody is a hero. No.

Calling a person a hero is a highlight. But, when everything is highlighted nothing is highlighted.

Each and every one of them had the option of saying no to treating any of the patients. They put their own lives at risk to treat Ebola. My purpose in posting this is not to highlight anything but to promote the fundraising efforts as a way to support these nurses and their families as they inevitably face a number of expenses due to this incident, much less the stress they have all faced, with some misplaced anger and blame towards Ms. Vinson in particular.

I don't care to get into a debate about whether this meets the standard of hero set by Achilles, but it's not exactly like I've raised a kindergarten teacher to that level.

(10-27-2014 09:06 AM)I45owl Wrote:  

(10-25-2014 06:36 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 03:27 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 02:20 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 02:07 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  WTH?? Nina viral free after a week at NIH with no experimental therapies administered? I call BS on this. Lots more than just supportive treatment was administered. And of course the obligatory photo-op.

The overall survival rate of the current ebola outbreak is around 50% (WHO), that includes folks in Africa. So, just because someone didn't get some experimental drug doesn't mean they should have died.

But to go to zero viral load and well enough to meet the President in a week??

From what I've read an early diagnosis makes a world of difference. Her early diagnosis coupled with getting excellent healthcare here in the US is probably what helped her recover so quickly. It's a good sign, IMO.

If that's the case, then it may be possible that Thomas Duncan died unnecessarily. But, after listening to 60 minutes last night, it's pretty clear that the nurses that treated him believed that he lied to them, changing his story and later contradicting himself.

I wonder if better ability to treat the symptoms alone may be a big part of the reason that the record in the west looks much better than the survival rate in Africa.

Duncan wasn't an early diagnosis. Wasn't healready vomitting, etc? That's well beyond the initial onset of a mild fever.

(10-27-2014 10:55 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(10-27-2014 09:06 AM)I45owl Wrote:  

(10-25-2014 06:36 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 03:27 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 02:20 PM)VA49er Wrote:  The overall survival rate of the current ebola outbreak is around 50% (WHO), that includes folks in Africa. So, just because someone didn't get some experimental drug doesn't mean they should have died.

But to go to zero viral load and well enough to meet the President in a week??

From what I've read an early diagnosis makes a world of difference. Her early diagnosis coupled with getting excellent healthcare here in the US is probably what helped her recover so quickly. It's a good sign, IMO.

If that's the case, then it may be possible that Thomas Duncan died unnecessarily. But, after listening to 60 minutes last night, it's pretty clear that the nurses that treated him believed that he lied to them, changing his story and later contradicting himself.

I wonder if better ability to treat the symptoms alone may be a big part of the reason that the record in the west looks much better than the survival rate in Africa.

Duncan wasn't an early diagnosis. Wasn't healready vomitting, etc? That's well beyond the initial onset of a mild fever.

It was the failure to recognize it as an early diagnosis that was the problem. And, he probably shares a disproportionate amount of the blame for that.

It's hard for me to wrap my head around going to the hospital for a minor fever and not at the same time giving the hospital all of the information they need to diagnose it properly. If you have a fever like that and feel compelled to go to the hospital, why not say, "hey, I just came from Ebola Central... anything to be concerned about there?"

(10-27-2014 11:02 AM)I45owl Wrote:  

(10-27-2014 10:55 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(10-27-2014 09:06 AM)I45owl Wrote:  

(10-25-2014 06:36 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 03:27 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  But to go to zero viral load and well enough to meet the President in a week??

From what I've read an early diagnosis makes a world of difference. Her early diagnosis coupled with getting excellent healthcare here in the US is probably what helped her recover so quickly. It's a good sign, IMO.

If that's the case, then it may be possible that Thomas Duncan died unnecessarily. But, after listening to 60 minutes last night, it's pretty clear that the nurses that treated him believed that he lied to them, changing his story and later contradicting himself.

I wonder if better ability to treat the symptoms alone may be a big part of the reason that the record in the west looks much better than the survival rate in Africa.

Duncan wasn't an early diagnosis. Wasn't healready vomitting, etc? That's well beyond the initial onset of a mild fever.

It was the failure to recognize it as an early diagnosis that was the problem. And, he probably shares a disproportionate amount of the blame for that.

It's hard for me to wrap my head around going to the hospital for a minor fever and not at the same time giving the hospital all of the information they need to diagnose it properly. If you have a fever like that and feel compelled to go to the hospital, why not say, "hey, I just came from Ebola Central... anything to be concerned about there?"

I can agree with that. However, I'd chalk up Duncan to unfortunately being the very first case to pop up in the US. I don't think we'll see that mistake made again. Heck, every other day we hear about somebody being admitted to a hospital that "might have ebola". If anything, folks are being hypersensitive to even the slightest ailment now instead of sending folks home.

FYI, an update as Amber Vinson is released from hospitalization (and, yes, the H word, but that's not the main point here)...

http://www.gofundme.com/4amber Wrote:Thank you for your generous donation to the Amber Vinson Fund. Our hearts are filled with gratitude for the many prayers, well-wishes and donations shared with Amber and her family at this time. Amber continues to progress toward full health and we are thankful. Your donation will be used to assist Amber as she seeks to replace her belongings and rebuild her life.

Amber is our hero and we want to continue to shower her with love and support. Please feel free to share the link to http://www.gofundme.com/4amber with family and friends to others who may want to donate to this worthy cause.

Thank you again.
Peace and Blessings –
Terri Clark

(10-28-2014 10:32 AM)I45owl Wrote:  FYI, an update as Amber Vinson is released from hospitalization (and, yes, the H word, but that's not the main point here)...

http://www.gofundme.com/4amber Wrote:Thank you for your generous donation to the Amber Vinson Fund. Our hearts are filled with gratitude for the many prayers, well-wishes and donations shared with Amber and her family at this time. Amber continues to progress toward full health and we are thankful. Your donation will be used to assist Amber as she seeks to replace her belongings and rebuild her life.

Amber is our hero and we want to continue to shower her with love and support. Please feel free to share the link to http://www.gofundme.com/4amber with family and friends to others who may want to donate to this worthy cause.

Thank you again.
Peace and Blessings –
Terri Clark

Maybe Mattress Mac would donate a bed and an apartment full of his "Quality" furniture?