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(10-15-2014 10:13 AM)GEAGLESJAG Wrote:  
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(10-15-2014 09:41 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  It baffles me to this day how most football fans don't understand the concept of matchups. Some teams matchup better against others. Obviously we match up very well against texas state looking at both games. We don't matchup well with georgia state by looking at both games. Size does matter against certain teams and schemes, it matters less against others. If any of you know guys at your school that play defense, ask them if it matters that our RB is 6'2 and weighs 240. Last year our size alone helped us beat wku and ASU on the road. Size matters on the lines but your size has to be able to move, you can't just recruit 325lbs statues of blob.
As far as A-State there is a good it would happen again if the new HC was as stupid as the precious HC. The old HC did have enough to since fire his OC after that game.
WHAT???
Harsin "fired himself" as playcaller midway through the season last year. His best call of the year.
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Yep 3-4 with Harsin calling plays. 5-1 with Drinkwitz calling plays.
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(10-15-2014 10:10 AM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  Your boards should have melted down after the Navy game. That was worse than last night. I think you have enough talent to compete as is. I don't think you have the coaching to compete. That's across the board, lots of fundamental mistakes.

No, we shouldn't have melted down after the Navy game because we didn't know what kind of team we had (really had) until we had a sample size.

We've seen the Bobcats play well (Illinois). We've now seen them play scared and timid (Cajuns).

How this team reacts next week will be really telling. ULM should either be really scared or feeling great right now. Just depends on how they (the players, the coaches) react.
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(10-15-2014 10:18 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  
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(10-15-2014 09:49 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  
(10-15-2014 09:41 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  It baffles me to this day how most football fans don't understand the concept of matchups. Some teams matchup better against others. Obviously we match up very well against texas state looking at both games. We don't matchup well with georgia state by looking at both games. Size does matter against certain teams and schemes, it matters less against others. If any of you know guys at your school that play defense, ask them if it matters that our RB is 6'2 and weighs 240. Last year our size alone helped us beat wku and ASU on the road. Size matters on the lines but your size has to be able to move, you can't just recruit 325lbs statues of blob.
As far as A-State there is a good it would happen again if the new HC was as stupid as the precious HC. The old HC did have enough to since fire his OC after that game.
WHAT???

Sorry my post was not clear.

I was responding to the "Last year our size alone helped us beat wku and ASU on the road.". If A-State approached the game next Tuesday the way Harsin did last year(aand the Memphis games just to add insult to injury for A-State fans) , I would almost guarantee you UL would win. Also noted he fired himself as OC.

Our offense held the ball for over 40 minutes last year against stAte, not sure there is much ASU's offense could do about that... We never let them have the ball. We held the ball for 38 minutes last night. That's when size matters, if we keep our big boys up front on the field that long against an undersized but fast defense....we win that game every time. We will just wear you down.
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(10-15-2014 09:02 AM)Cajuncat Wrote:  People are having full fledge meltdowns right now in Bobcat Country. Lots of WTFs? Anger, Dissappointment, and flat out embarrassment. Went to the game and pre warmup I was shocked at the sheer size of Louisiana players. Can't get over how depleted and helpless our lines looked in comparison to theirs. Last night was pretty much a solid punch to the optimism meter.

That's exactly how I feel as a TROY fan right now! Our players don't even LOOK the part of Div I ballrs, much less have natural ability.

TROYs starting middle linebacker looks like he hasn't picked up a weight in YEARS!! 04-chairshot

I know they're playn as hard as they can, but it's not enough.

This is the guy that you say doesn't look like he's lifted any weights in years?[Image: 1409425262000--CMD5862.JPG]
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(10-15-2014 10:42 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  
(10-15-2014 10:18 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  
(10-15-2014 10:13 AM)GEAGLESJAG Wrote:  
(10-15-2014 09:49 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  
(10-15-2014 09:41 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  It baffles me to this day how most football fans don't understand the concept of matchups. Some teams matchup better against others. Obviously we match up very well against texas state looking at both games. We don't matchup well with georgia state by looking at both games. Size does matter against certain teams and schemes, it matters less against others. If any of you know guys at your school that play defense, ask them if it matters that our RB is 6'2 and weighs 240. Last year our size alone helped us beat wku and ASU on the road. Size matters on the lines but your size has to be able to move, you can't just recruit 325lbs statues of blob.
As far as A-State there is a good it would happen again if the new HC was as stupid as the precious HC. The old HC did have enough to since fire his OC after that game.
WHAT???

Sorry my post was not clear.

I was responding to the "Last year our size alone helped us beat wku and ASU on the road.". If A-State approached the game next Tuesday the way Harsin did last year(aand the Memphis games just to add insult to injury for A-State fans) , I would almost guarantee you UL would win. Also noted he fired himself as OC.

Our offense held the ball for over 40 minutes last year against stAte, not sure there is much ASU's offense could do about that... We never let them have the ball. We held the ball for 38 minutes last night. That's when size matters, if we keep our big boys up front on the field that long against an undersized but fast defense....we win that game every time. We will just wear you down.

Yes and no...Size does matter to an extent. In ASUs case not moving the ball last year causes huge differences in Time of possesssion. Just like last night. Texas state had a horrible game plan. Which led to a lot of 3 and outs.

Any news on Robinson? If he's out stAte will most likely really load the box and try to force throws
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(10-15-2014 09:02 AM)Cajuncat Wrote:  People are having full fledge meltdowns right now in Bobcat Country. Lots of WTFs? Anger, Dissappointment, and flat out embarrassment. Went to the game and pre warmup I was shocked at the sheer size of Louisiana players. Can't get over how depleted and helpless our lines looked in comparison to theirs. Last night was pretty much a solid punch to the optimism meter.

Louisiana looks every bit a P5 team in size. Was mentioned over and over when we played them You had better be a super fast team and bring your lunch pail when you play them. They are way better than that 3-3 record.
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(10-15-2014 11:53 AM)RustonCAT Wrote:  
(10-15-2014 10:42 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  
(10-15-2014 10:18 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  
(10-15-2014 10:13 AM)GEAGLESJAG Wrote:  
(10-15-2014 09:49 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  As far as A-State there is a good it would happen again if the new HC was as stupid as the precious HC. The old HC did have enough to since fire his OC after that game.
WHAT???

Sorry my post was not clear.

I was responding to the "Last year our size alone helped us beat wku and ASU on the road.". If A-State approached the game next Tuesday the way Harsin did last year(aand the Memphis games just to add insult to injury for A-State fans) , I would almost guarantee you UL would win. Also noted he fired himself as OC.

Our offense held the ball for over 40 minutes last year against stAte, not sure there is much ASU's offense could do about that... We never let them have the ball. We held the ball for 38 minutes last night. That's when size matters, if we keep our big boys up front on the field that long against an undersized but fast defense....we win that game every time. We will just wear you down.

Yes and no...Size does matter to an extent. In ASUs case not moving the ball last year causes huge differences in Time of possesssion. Just like last night. Texas state had a horrible game plan. Which led to a lot of 3 and outs.

Any news on Robinson? If he's out stAte will most likely really load the box and try to force throws

I know it's not cut and dry but larger athletic linemen will wear down smaller athletic linemen. We have guys with good size who can move. Not sure on Robinson status but he went down very early in the game and I thought broadway and the team responded well without him. The kid heals fast, if nothing is torn or broken, I expect to see him out there on Tuesday. He is really tough.
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(10-15-2014 11:54 AM)panama Wrote:  
(10-15-2014 09:02 AM)Cajuncat Wrote:  People are having full fledge meltdowns right now in Bobcat Country. Lots of WTFs? Anger, Dissappointment, and flat out embarrassment. Went to the game and pre warmup I was shocked at the sheer size of Louisiana players. Can't get over how depleted and helpless our lines looked in comparison to theirs. Last night was pretty much a solid punch to the optimism meter.

Louisiana looks every bit a P% tram in size. Was mentioned over and over when we played them You had better be a super fast team and bring your lunch pail when you play them. They are way better than that 3-3 record.
There is fine line between too big and too small. All is based on scheme. I remember certain GaState people saying they would run over stAte...our DL lived in your backfield.
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(10-15-2014 12:01 PM)RustonCAT Wrote:  There is fine line between too big and too small. All is based on scheme. I remember certain GaState people saying they would run over stAte...our DL lived in your backfield.

I don't even know the line is that fine. It's more about (like you said) scheme.

There's just a difference between big and sloppy big.
And a small quick guy (or group of guys) can do well. A group of just small guys will mostly get destroyed.
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(10-15-2014 11:54 AM)panama Wrote:  
(10-15-2014 09:02 AM)Cajuncat Wrote:  People are having full fledge meltdowns right now in Bobcat Country. Lots of WTFs? Anger, Dissappointment, and flat out embarrassment. Went to the game and pre warmup I was shocked at the sheer size of Louisiana players. Can't get over how depleted and helpless our lines looked in comparison to theirs. Last night was pretty much a solid punch to the optimism meter.

Louisiana looks every bit a P% tram in size. Was mentioned over and over when we played them You had better be a super fast team and bring your lunch pail when you play them. They are way better than that 3-3 record.
UL's has to avoid the mistake that GaSs made going into the game with A-State, thinking they are better than what they are, and thinking this A-State team is last years.

Don't get me wrong, if like TxSt, you are are short on speed, and athleticism, and end up going toe-to-toe with them, they will happy pound on you, and then hit you with some big-plays. Like GaSt, A-State has no intention of playing that game against them, and A-State has far, far more talent, speed, athleticism, coaching (you name it) than GaSt, on both sides of the ball.
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(10-15-2014 12:00 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  I know it's not cut and dry but larger athletic linemen will wear down smaller athletic linemen.

Does depend on what you're doing.

If you're pushing ahead all the time - size wins.

If you're sprinting out, throwing screens and making them chase, the big guys get tired first.

It's an interesting question with more and more spread attacks ( the majority of CFB now ) - will defenses get smaller but faster with greater endurance?

The Aggies have gone that way ( forced by other factors ) but are vulnerable up the middle as a result.
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(10-15-2014 12:16 PM)DoubleAggie Wrote:  
(10-15-2014 12:00 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  I know it's not cut and dry but larger athletic linemen will wear down smaller athletic linemen.

Does depend on what you're doing.

If you're pushing ahead all the time - size wins.

If you're sprinting out, throwing screens and making them chase, the big guys get tired first.

It's an interesting question with more and more spread attacks ( the majority of CFB now ) - will defenses get smaller but faster with greater endurance?

The Aggies have gone that way ( forced by other factors ) but are vulnerable up the middle as a result.

Depends what side of the ball you are talking about, I'm talking about our O-line, teams offenses don't usually get gassed because they control the tempo. On defense we have some size in the middle but we aren't overly big. I'm talking strictly about our o-line having the ability to wear down smaller athletic defenses.
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(10-15-2014 12:14 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  
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(10-15-2014 09:02 AM)Cajuncat Wrote:  People are having full fledge meltdowns right now in Bobcat Country. Lots of WTFs? Anger, Dissappointment, and flat out embarrassment. Went to the game and pre warmup I was shocked at the sheer size of Louisiana players. Can't get over how depleted and helpless our lines looked in comparison to theirs. Last night was pretty much a solid punch to the optimism meter.

Louisiana looks every bit a P% tram in size. Was mentioned over and over when we played them You had better be a super fast team and bring your lunch pail when you play them. They are way better than that 3-3 record.
UL's has to avoid the mistake that GaSs made going into the game with A-State, thinking they are better than what they are, and thinking this A-State team is last years.

Don't get me wrong, if like TxSt, you are are short on speed, and athleticism, and end up going toe-to-toe with them, they will happy pound on you, and then hit you with some big-plays. Like GaSt, A-State has no intention of playing that game against them, and A-State has far, far more talent, speed, athleticism, coaching (you name it) than GaSt, on both sides of the ball.

I guess that's why they make the teams play the game on the field and not decide the outcome on message boards. I expect a hard fought game Tuesday night, I think what makes the Cajuns dangerous is they have been humbled, the coaches and players. I think they truly are back to taking it one game at a time. It will be interesting to see what happens with Robinson or the lack there of. Hopefully he can go Tuesday.
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(10-15-2014 12:01 PM)RustonCAT Wrote:  
(10-15-2014 11:54 AM)panama Wrote:  
(10-15-2014 09:02 AM)Cajuncat Wrote:  People are having full fledge meltdowns right now in Bobcat Country. Lots of WTFs? Anger, Dissappointment, and flat out embarrassment. Went to the game and pre warmup I was shocked at the sheer size of Louisiana players. Can't get over how depleted and helpless our lines looked in comparison to theirs. Last night was pretty much a solid punch to the optimism meter.

Louisiana looks every bit a P% tram in size. Was mentioned over and over when we played them You had better be a super fast team and bring your lunch pail when you play them. They are way better than that 3-3 record.
There is fine line between too big and too small. All is based on scheme. I remember certain GaState people saying they would run over stAte...our DL lived in your backfield.

Once LT Michael Ivory was declared out it became a long day
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I watched the first half and I have to say it looked like Tex St was simply out classed. However if you watched the first half of the GS vs Ga Tech game you would have said the same thing about us. Tex St will be back and probably with a vengeance.

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(10-15-2014 10:42 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  Our offense held the ball for over 40 minutes last year against stAte, not sure there is much ASU's offense could do about that... We never let them have the ball. We held the ball for 38 minutes last night. That's when size matters, if we keep our big boys up front on the field that long against an undersized but fast defense....we win that game every time. We will just wear you down.

Uh they could have held the ball longer and not let the Cajuns have it.

Let's look at some Harsin drives.
Three runs between tackles no passes. Punt drive consumed 1:55
Next drive five rushes plus a sack on a third down 6 plays 16 yards consumed 2:54
Three rushes, incomplete pass on fourth down 4 plays 8 yards 1:16

Harsin didn't really start trying to throw much until we were down.
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(10-15-2014 10:42 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  
(10-15-2014 10:18 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  
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(10-15-2014 09:41 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  It baffles me to this day how most football fans don't understand the concept of matchups. Some teams matchup better against others. Obviously we match up very well against texas state looking at both games. We don't matchup well with georgia state by looking at both games. Size does matter against certain teams and schemes, it matters less against others. If any of you know guys at your school that play defense, ask them if it matters that our RB is 6'2 and weighs 240. Last year our size alone helped us beat wku and ASU on the road. Size matters on the lines but your size has to be able to move, you can't just recruit 325lbs statues of blob.
As far as A-State there is a good it would happen again if the new HC was as stupid as the precious HC. The old HC did have enough to since fire his OC after that game.
WHAT???

Sorry my post was not clear.

I was responding to the "Last year our size alone helped us beat wku and ASU on the road.". If A-State approached the game next Tuesday the way Harsin did last year(aand the Memphis games just to add insult to injury for A-State fans) , I would almost guarantee you UL would win. Also noted he fired himself as OC.

Our offense held the ball for over 40 minutes last year against stAte, not sure there is much ASU's offense could do about that... We never let them have the ball. We held the ball for 38 minutes last night. That's when size matters, if we keep our big boys up front on the field that long against an undersized but fast defense....we win that game every time. We will just wear you down.

You got a lot of help from Harsin continuing to try and run up the middle.

Anyone can win time of possession when the opposing team keeps going 3 and out. Though I guarantee you, that you will not be able to just wear us down this year. We're in far better shape than we were last year as a team.
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(10-15-2014 12:42 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
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(10-15-2014 10:18 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  
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(10-15-2014 09:49 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  As far as A-State there is a good it would happen again if the new HC was as stupid as the precious HC. The old HC did have enough to since fire his OC after that game.
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Sorry my post was not clear.

I was responding to the "Last year our size alone helped us beat wku and ASU on the road.". If A-State approached the game next Tuesday the way Harsin did last year(aand the Memphis games just to add insult to injury for A-State fans) , I would almost guarantee you UL would win. Also noted he fired himself as OC.

Our offense held the ball for over 40 minutes last year against stAte, not sure there is much ASU's offense could do about that... We never let them have the ball. We held the ball for 38 minutes last night. That's when size matters, if we keep our big boys up front on the field that long against an undersized but fast defense....we win that game every time. We will just wear you down.

You got a lot of help from Harsin continuing to try and run up the middle.

Anyone can win time of possession when the opposing team keeps going 3 and out. Though I guarantee you, that you will not be able to just wear us down this year. We're in far better shape than we were last year as a team.
Did your defense not have a chance to make us go 3 and out? It's a team sport, your defense could've given your offense the ball back instead of allowing is to run the same play over and over putting together a couple 7,8,9 minute drives. Your offense didn't help but your defense didn't get off the field either.
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(10-15-2014 12:42 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(10-15-2014 10:42 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  
(10-15-2014 10:18 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  
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(10-15-2014 09:49 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  As far as A-State there is a good it would happen again if the new HC was as stupid as the precious HC. The old HC did have enough to since fire his OC after that game.
WHAT???

Sorry my post was not clear.

I was responding to the "Last year our size alone helped us beat wku and ASU on the road.". If A-State approached the game next Tuesday the way Harsin did last year(aand the Memphis games just to add insult to injury for A-State fans) , I would almost guarantee you UL would win. Also noted he fired himself as OC.

Our offense held the ball for over 40 minutes last year against stAte, not sure there is much ASU's offense could do about that... We never let them have the ball. We held the ball for 38 minutes last night. That's when size matters, if we keep our big boys up front on the field that long against an undersized but fast defense....we win that game every time. We will just wear you down.

You got a lot of help from Harsin continuing to try and run up the middle.

Anyone can win time of possession when the opposing team keeps going 3 and out. Though I guarantee you, that you will not be able to just wear us down this year. We're in far better shape than we were last year as a team.

We didnt score 40 points, we held the ball. We controlled the line of scrimmage and just held the ball. We had a couple double digit play drives that ate up clock, any team will control time of possession if they never give up possession.
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