(10-15-2014 12:00 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(10-15-2014 10:03 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I heard on the radio that every one of those 400 jersey signatures was EXACTLY the same - like they were stamped on. Sounds to me like Winston signed ONE and the company reproduced the rest...?

So much for "authentic" signed jerseys, huh?

The new defense is that they're forgeries? If one person signed all the items, you'd expect the signatures to look pretty nearly identical. The big problem with this defense is that the company selling the autographed items isn't going to like it if Winston says they're selling forgeries. That could destroy their business and get them in criminal trouble. That company would probably tell the world how they came by those signed items.

really? the signatures would all look exactly the same? what are you a freaking robot? I think after about 100 sigs, my signature would start looking awfully sloppy

Sh1t getting deeper. FSU will probably make a decision in February.

Gotta love the duke fan supporting all the false reports that have no proof so far. Ironic considering what duke lacrosse went through


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(10-15-2014 03:12 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Sh1t getting deeper. FSU will probably make a decision in February.

They have a long way to go to match uf and their prison camp they ran in the last decade


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(10-15-2014 08:49 AM)Hallcity Wrote:  ESPN is reporting that the items authenticated include 20 football pylons and 400 jersey numbers. That's right. 400 jersey numbers. Apparently, dealers have the numbers themselves signed and then later affix them to jerseys to save money. I imagine it also saves time for the signer. Where would fans get 20 pylons to be signed? Where would fans get 400 jersey numbers? I don't know where I'd buy a uniform number or pylon if I wanted one. Would you? Why would Winston sign 400 jersey numbers for fans? Wouldn't it be obvious to him that ordinary fans wouldn't be asking him to sign jersey numbers that weren't already attached to jerseys?

Nothing to see here. No proof of anything. It's just ESPN on a vendetta against FSU. They're biased. FSU won't ever do a thing to Winston and neither will the NCAA. Besides, everyone does it. Just look at the SEC! They ought to pay college football players anyway. The coaches are getting rich and the players don't even have enough to eat. Any other justifications I missed?

You talk about proof yet provide no proof of anything. Good work.

The latest I'm hearing from the FSU camp is that firmbizzle is butt hurt.

I have no problem with players signing autographs for money. Yes, it sucks if you are not good/popular enough to be able to get money for an autograph. My question is how do you regulate it? It can easily deteriorate into a pay-for-play scheme.

Say player-x has a good game. 10 fans/boosters tell him, "We'll pay you $1,000 to sign this hat?" He essentially gets paid $10k for having a good game. A similar scheme could be used for recruiting. 10 fans/boosters tell the kid, "We'll pay you $1,000 to sign this hat...as soon as you commit to our school."

(10-16-2014 07:36 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  I have no problem with players signing autographs for money. Yes, it sucks if you are not good/popular enough to be able to get money for an autograph. My question is how do you regulate it? It can easily deteriorate into a pay-for-play scheme.

Say player-x has a good game. 10 fans/boosters tell him, "We'll pay you $1,000 to sign this hat?" He essentially gets paid $10k for having a good game. A similar scheme could be used for recruiting. 10 fans/boosters tell the kid, "We'll pay you $1,000 to sign this hat...as soon as you commit to our school."

A) create a trust that allows for the player to receive the money upon graduation

--OR--

B) allow the player the option of making the money, but foregoing any available athletic scholarship

(10-16-2014 10:32 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(10-16-2014 07:36 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  I have no problem with players signing autographs for money. Yes, it sucks if you are not good/popular enough to be able to get money for an autograph. My question is how do you regulate it? It can easily deteriorate into a pay-for-play scheme.

Say player-x has a good game. 10 fans/boosters tell him, "We'll pay you $1,000 to sign this hat?" He essentially gets paid $10k for having a good game. A similar scheme could be used for recruiting. 10 fans/boosters tell the kid, "We'll pay you $1,000 to sign this hat...as soon as you commit to our school."

A) create a trust that allows for the player to receive the money upon graduation

--OR--

B) allow the player the option of making the money, but foregoing any available athletic scholarship

Two questions:
1) If college players are paid -- making college teams minor league professional franchises -- would your interest in college sports remain the same?
2) If college players are paid -- making college teams minor league professional franchises -- would colleges continue to have the same interest in fielding sports teams?

I think for most college sports fans the answer to the first question would be no. I think for most schools the answer to the second question would be no. In my opinion, paying college players isn't going to happen. Schools will go the Ivy League route before they go the minor league professional sports franchise route.

(10-16-2014 01:43 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(10-16-2014 10:32 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(10-16-2014 07:36 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  I have no problem with players signing autographs for money. Yes, it sucks if you are not good/popular enough to be able to get money for an autograph. My question is how do you regulate it? It can easily deteriorate into a pay-for-play scheme.

Say player-x has a good game. 10 fans/boosters tell him, "We'll pay you $1,000 to sign this hat?" He essentially gets paid $10k for having a good game. A similar scheme could be used for recruiting. 10 fans/boosters tell the kid, "We'll pay you $1,000 to sign this hat...as soon as you commit to our school."

A) create a trust that allows for the player to receive the money upon graduation

--OR--

B) allow the player the option of making the money, but foregoing any available athletic scholarship

Two questions:
1) If college players are paid -- making college teams minor league professional franchises -- would your interest in college sports remain the same?
2) If college players are paid -- making college teams minor league professional franchises -- would colleges continue to have the same interest in fielding sports teams?

I think for most college sports fans the answer to the first question would be no. I think for most schools the answer to the second question would be no. In my opinion, paying college players isn't going to happen. Schools will go the Ivy League route before they go the minor league professional sports franchise route.

I don't think the trust or the scholarship loss would resolve the issue. Too many boosters with too much money.

1. Yes.
2. Yes. Colleges are not going to give up their self-funded PR machines. Even if they have to contribute some of the funding it still cheaper than buying advertising.

(10-16-2014 02:07 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  

(10-16-2014 01:43 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(10-16-2014 10:32 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(10-16-2014 07:36 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  I have no problem with players signing autographs for money. Yes, it sucks if you are not good/popular enough to be able to get money for an autograph. My question is how do you regulate it? It can easily deteriorate into a pay-for-play scheme.

Say player-x has a good game. 10 fans/boosters tell him, "We'll pay you $1,000 to sign this hat?" He essentially gets paid $10k for having a good game. A similar scheme could be used for recruiting. 10 fans/boosters tell the kid, "We'll pay you $1,000 to sign this hat...as soon as you commit to our school."

A) create a trust that allows for the player to receive the money upon graduation

--OR--

B) allow the player the option of making the money, but foregoing any available athletic scholarship

Two questions:
1) If college players are paid -- making college teams minor league professional franchises -- would your interest in college sports remain the same?
2) If college players are paid -- making college teams minor league professional franchises -- would colleges continue to have the same interest in fielding sports teams?

I think for most college sports fans the answer to the first question would be no. I think for most schools the answer to the second question would be no. In my opinion, paying college players isn't going to happen. Schools will go the Ivy League route before they go the minor league professional sports franchise route.

I don't think the trust or the scholarship loss would resolve the issue. Too many boosters with too much money.

1. Yes.
2. Yes. Colleges are not going to give up their self-funded PR machines. Even if they have to contribute some of the funding it still cheaper than buying advertising.

players will never be paid outright....they'll get stipends, and guaranteed 4-year scholarships

no one is actually going to list a student athlete as an employee....

From ESPN:
An in-depth search of the verification page on the James Spence Authentication website reveals the company has authenticated more than 2,000 signatures by Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston, up from the more than 900 signatures that were found on the site's database earlier this week.
James Spence, the authentication company's owner, told ESPN on Thursday he will not reveal the identity or identities of the customers who submitted the signed Winston items for authentication. ...
Spence said that as of noon Thursday, no officials from Florida State had called to inquire how Spence's company authenticated as many signatures as it did. ...
"No one who is not a dealer is going to submit that many autographs at one time," said Matt Powers of Powers Collectibles in Kansas City, which sells the autographs of more than 1,000 athletes. "But besides the number, the giveaway of the JSA authenticated items that you can see on eBay, that suggests it was a sit-down signing, as the consistency of autograph, the cleanliness of the autograph and the fact that the autograph is signed in the perfect place over and over.
"Jameis might have signed a lot of autographs, but when he is doing so in public, he's not 100 percent focused," Powers continued. "Someone might be chatting with him, he might be signing with different pens on different surfaces like on someone's hand or shoulder. What's out there being sold is just too good." ...

(10-15-2014 10:03 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I heard on the radio that every one of those 400 jersey signatures was EXACTLY the same - like they were stamped on. Sounds to me like Winston signed ONE and the company reproduced the rest...?

So much for "authentic" signed jerseys, huh?

and herein lies the rub. the authenticator has to prove that they all were indeed signed by winston or otherwise deem them worthless.

guess which choice the authenticator will make.

quid pro quo is quid pro quo

Hallcity, show us the proof, man. Where is the money? Who is claiming they paid him? Still waiting on this "evidence" you keep acting like you have.

Also STILL waiting on your response to the video I posted that clearly explains why Winston's accuser is NOT credible and there's a lack of evidence to prove anythin other than consensual intercourse happened. Waiting...

2000 Autographs....hhhmmm....if it walks like a duck....talks like a duck...it might be a duck....Juz sayn...

....innocent until proven guilty.....?

(10-17-2014 01:41 PM)HRFlossY Wrote:  ....innocent until proven guilty.....?

Very True....

Re: Jimbo. Until accusations are proven, you back your people. Sometimes even after they are proven, depending in the issue. I think people have confused the political reaction, of distancing and carefully selecting language, with the way real people should behave.

Jimbo is doing this to protect his wins and his season, Winston's backup is clearly not ready, but it's still preferable IMO.

(10-17-2014 02:39 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Re: Jimbo. Until accusations are proven, you back your people. Sometimes even after they are proven, depending in the issue. I think people have confused the political reaction, of distancing and carefully selecting language, with the way real people should behave.

Jimbo is doing this to protect his wins and his season, Winston's backup is clearly not ready, but it's still preferable IMO.

How much sense does it make to say that the charges haven't been proven when FSU appears to be making no effort to investigate the charges? As of yesterday, FSU hadn't bothered to contact the authenticating service.

Trying to protect wins and seasons is how UNC got in the mess it's in now. Of course, it may not seem like a mess if your attitude is that athletic programs are vastly more important than anything else that a university does.

Dookie dookie dookie can't you see, sometimes your words just dumbfound me. But I just love your trolling ways. Guess that's why we champs and you still suck.