This should probably be OT, but I'm wondering if there are any lessons to be learned here by any UC fans.

Mississippi St. just had a huge win catapulting them to the #1 ranked team in the country and I'm guessing right now is the absolute high point in the history of the program. So what's next?:

After Mississippi State's biggest win, can Bulldogs keep Dan Mullen?

Yes we know the main point of the story all too well, but part of the article led me to easily find this thread from a Mississippi St. board in 2013 (among the many places it was discussed during his tenure):

It's time to politely offer Mullen the door

Any of those posts sound similar to a lot of posts around here?

Might this give some around here pause? Ah, who am I kidding. We've already seen a similar story here with Cronin but I guess memories are short. Sorry for the interruption, many of you can get back to your over the top incessant sarcasm, negativity and pessimism now....

Optimism? Who do you think you are?

Mullen walked into a bottom feeder program in the toughest division of the toughest conference in the country. Tuberville walked into a program coming off of 4 conference titles (in a BCS league) in the previous 5 seasons and 5 ten win seasons in the last 6. Additionally, Tuberville was moving into a downgraded conference where his talent level should have been higher than the rest of the league. There is a difference between trying to turn around a program and the struggle that comes with it and taking a program in really good shape and two year in having it as one of the worst defensive teams in the country. When you see rapid, on field declines like this, most often patience is not the answer... that coach probably isn't the guy you need in charge.

Awesome job going all the way back to a thread immediately after a bowl loss.

It's obvious MSU has been improving during his time there. Before you start throwing out records, feel free to examine the teams MSU actually lost to the past few years. I'll save you the trouble: many of them were against teams that finished the year in the Top 20. In fact, a good chunk of them inside the Top 10.

Mullen is on the rise, Tuberville has been on the decline for nearly a decade.

Edit: Add what mark said to my post too, it was good.

(10-13-2014 01:49 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  This should probably be OT, but I'm wondering if there are any lessons to be learned here by any UC fans.

Mississippi St. just had the biggest win in their history and I'm guessing right now is the absolute high point of the program so far. So what's next? I think we know:

After Mississippi State's biggest win, can Bulldogs keep Dan Mullen?

Yes we know the main point of the story all too well, but part of the article led me to easily find this thread from a Mississippi St. board in 2013:

It's time to politely offer Mullen the door

Any of that sound similar to a lot of posts around here?

Might this give some around here pause? Ah, who am I kidding. Sorry for the interruption, many of you can get back to your over the top incessant sarcasm, negativity and pessimism now....

These are good questions.

I think Mullen is likely gone after this year. Some top job will open up somewhere...they always do...and Mullen will cash in. Michigan would be my early guess, but we'll see.

To apply the "lesson" to our coaching staff, I think the questions are as follows: (and I'll put them in a slightly different order than you have them in...)
1- Does UC have the confidence that Tommy Tuberville can turn the corner? That's what Mississippi State had to answer in keeping Mullen over the past two years. Mullen won with Croom's recruits and then suffered a down period while rebuilding. Is this the case with Tuberville?

2- Should Tommy Tuberville stay, and win...on the order of Chris Mullen at Mississippi State...would he then stay at UC or would he, like Chris Mullen is likely to do, "cash in" and move up? To this, only Tommy Tuberville knows the answer. But I'd give it even-money either way. Coaching outside of the "Power5" world is going to be tough in terms of resources and the fact that you will likely never get a shot at the CFP. But Tuberville's an older man than Mullen is. Mullen is almost guaranteed to LEAVE MSU at some point or another, if nothing else than to "prove" he's as good as everyone says he is. Tuberville's already been there. Who knows?

It can happen, I'll give you that.

(The other realistic thing is that UC is not firing Tuberville under any circumstance and we all know that. There isn't the $$$ available to do it, it would set the program back at least five more years, and it would throw crap on the BB program. SO...this is all a fantasy exercise anyway...)

I think you make a fair point about overreactions to short-term success and failures.

(10-13-2014 02:07 PM)uccheese Wrote:  I think you make a fair point about overreactions to short-term success and failures.

This.




mc

(10-13-2014 03:54 PM)marcuscan Wrote:  

(10-13-2014 02:07 PM)uccheese Wrote:  I think you make a fair point about overreactions to short-term success and failures.

This.




mc

So, I'm genuinely curious. What then is the limit? What would constitute a long-enough period before reaction can occur? One season? Two seasons? Three seasons? I'd like to know how much patience we, as fans, should have.