4 year totals for all FBS institutions.

http://us.fulbrightonline.org/top-produc...stitutions

Michigan 136
Northwestern 100
Stanford 88
California 86
Boston College 71
Arizona State 66
Wisconsin 65
Duke 51
UCLA 45
Minnesota 45
Washington 44
USC 42
Indiana 41
Arizona 37
Illinois 36
Rutgers 36
Ohio 36
Ohio State 36
Louisville 34
Wake Forest 34
Penn State 34
Texas 34
Virginia 30
North Carolina 30
Rice 29
Pittsburgh 29
Georgia 28
Notre Dame 27
Maryland 26
Iowa 25
Florida State 24
Florida 24
Vanderbilt 19
Kansas 19
South Carolina 19
Cincinnati 18
Colorado 18
Syracuse 15
Massachusetts 16
San Diego State 16
Michigan State 16
Nebraska 15
Georgia Tech 14
Oregon 14
Oklahoma 14
Temple 13
Arkansas 13
Tulane 12
BYU 12
Kentucky 12
Buffalo 11
Connecticut 11
Oregon State 10
Georgia State 10
Oklahoma State 10
Miami U. 9
Baylor 9
UAB 8
Kansas State 8
New Mexico 8
Hawaii 8
South Florida 8
Ball State 7
Missouri 7
SMU 7
Northern Illinois 6
Florida International 6
Virginia Tech 6
Iowa State 6
Nevada 6
Miami Fl 5
New Mexico State 5
LSU 5
Alabama 5
Akron 4
UNLV 4
Central Florida 4
North Carolina State 4
Tennessee 4
Clemson 4
Texas Tech 4
Bowling Green 4
Western Kentucky 4
Purdue 3
Wyoming 3
Utah 3
Middle Tennessee 3
Western Michigan 3
Mississippi 3
East Carolina 2
TCU 2
Texas State 2
Memphis 2
Colorado State 2
North Texas 2
Toledo 2
Utah State 2
Tulsa 2
Georgia Southern 2
UTSA 2
Mississippi State 1
Texas A&M 1
Appalachian State 1
Charlotte 1
Idaho 1
Auburn 1
Houston 1
Old Dominion 1
Eastern Michigan 1
San Jose State 1
Kent State 1
Boise State 1

Listed by 2014 conference.

B1G 614
Michigan 136
Northwestern 100
Wisconsin 65
Minnesota 45
Indiana 41
Illinois 36
Rutgers 36
Ohio State 36
Penn State 34
Maryland 26
Iowa 25
Michigan State 16
Nebraska 15
Purdue 3

PAC 453
Stanford 88
California 86
Arizona State 66
UCLA 45
Washington 44
USC 42
Arizona 37
Colorado 18
Oregon 14
Oregon State 10
Utah 3

ACC 378
Boston College 71
Duke 51
Louisville 34
Wake Forest 34
Virginia 30
North Carolina 30
Pittsburgh 29
Notre Dame 27
Florida State 24
Syracuse 15
Georgia Tech 14
Virginia Tech 6
Miami Fl 5
North Carolina State 4
Clemson 4

SEC 141
Georgia 28
Florida 24
Vanderbilt 19
South Carolina 19
Arkansas 13
Kentucky 12
Missouri 7
LSU 5
Alabama 5
Tennessee 4
Mississippi 3
Mississippi State 1
Auburn 1

B12 107
Texas 34
Kansas 19
Oklahoma 14
Oklahoma State 10
Baylor 9
Kansas State 8
Iowa State 6
Texas Tech 4
TCU 2
Texas A&M 1

MAC 100
Ohio 36
Massachusetts 16
Buffalo 11
Miami U. 9
Ball State 7
Northern Illinois 6
Akron 4
Bowling Green 4
Western Michigan 3
Toledo 2
Eastern Michigan 1
Kent State 1

AAC 78
Cincinnati 18
Temple 13
Tulane 12
Connecticut 11
South Florida 8
SMU 7
Central Florida 4
East Carolina 2
Memphis 2
Houston 1

CUSA 58
Rice 29
UAB 8
Florida International 6
Western Kentucky 4
Middle Tennessee 3
North Texas 2
Tulsa 2
UTSA 2
Charlotte 1
Old Dominion 1

MWC 51
San Diego State 16
New Mexico 8
Hawaii 8
Nevada 6
UNLV 4
Wyoming 3
Colorado State 2
Utah State 2
San Jose State 1
Boise State 1

SBC 21
Georgia State 10
New Mexico State 5
Texas State 2
Georgia Southern 2
Appalachian State 1
Idaho 1

Indy 12
BYU 12

Quick notes from the data:

-Michigan has almost as many Fullbrights as the entire SEC combined.

-SEC schools in Mississippi and Alabama in particular are weak Fullbright producers.

-The SW private schools outside of Rice and maybe Tulane aren't great producers in Fullbrights. SMU, TCU, Baylor, Tulsa when you also look at their small research outputs seem very overrated.

-Georgia State between its research dollars and Fullbrights is a better school than what most people give it credit for.

-Louisville between research, endowment and Fullbright production has the stats today for a power conference. It wasn't true 20 years ago but it is today.

Those are year-by-year results.

Also, they give application numbers. Most of the schools towards the bottom of the list had less than 10 people apply period. Of course Michigan will produce 10x as many when more than 15x as many kids apply.

The term "producing" is misleading. The Universities really have very little to do with this.

(10-13-2014 11:35 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Quick notes from the data:

-Michigan has almost as many Fullbrights as the entire SEC combined.

-SEC schools in Mississippi and Alabama in particular are weak Fullbright producers.

-The SW private schools outside of Rice and maybe Tulane aren't great producers in Fullbrights. SMU, TCU, Baylor, Tulsa when you also look at their small research outputs seem very overrated.

-Georgia State between its research dollars and Fullbrights is a better school than what most people give it credit for.

-Louisville between research, endowment and Fullbright production has the stats today for a power conference. It wasn't true 20 years ago but it is today.

research is not a measure of the quality of education especially at the undergrad level which is why there are many highly rated liberal arts universities without a large research profile

also total dollars of research is not a factor in quality of education or even faculty quality again especially at the undergrad level.....a better factor would be research productivity per faculty member if one was to desire to compare research universities

research has meaning, but just looking at research total dollars is meaningless especially for universities that have never striven to have a high research profile

(10-13-2014 11:48 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Those are year-by-year results.

Also, they give application numbers. Most of the schools towards the bottom of the list had less than 10 people apply period. Of course Michigan will produce 10x as many when more than 15x as many kids apply.

The term "producing" is misleading. The Universities really have very little to do with this.

That is true.

The Fullbright yield rate for some of those B1G schools is fairly low with so many applications they push out.

The universities may have not much to do with it but its reflective of the type of students at those universities. It doesn't sound like TX/LA/MS/AL region is very intellectual area of the country which is not a big surprise.

(10-13-2014 12:07 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(10-13-2014 11:48 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Those are year-by-year results.

Also, they give application numbers. Most of the schools towards the bottom of the list had less than 10 people apply period. Of course Michigan will produce 10x as many when more than 15x as many kids apply.

The term "producing" is misleading. The Universities really have very little to do with this.

That is true.

The Fullbright yield rate for some of those B1G schools is fairly low with so many applications they push out.

The universities may have not much to do with it but its reflective of the type of students at those universities. It doesn't sound like TX/LA/MS/AL region is very intellectual area of the country which is not a big surprise.

If you want to see it that way I guess you could. Another way to view it is that those areas of the country are less congested and the graduates of those schools have jobs.

Getting a Fullbright scholarship could be a great way to wait out the economic storm in many of those areas. The numbers would seem to suggest that is one factor, given rising application numbers in certain areas.

(10-13-2014 12:07 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(10-13-2014 11:48 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Those are year-by-year results.

Also, they give application numbers. Most of the schools towards the bottom of the list had less than 10 people apply period. Of course Michigan will produce 10x as many when more than 15x as many kids apply.

The term "producing" is misleading. The Universities really have very little to do with this.

That is true.

The Fullbright yield rate for some of those B1G schools is fairly low with so many applications they push out.

The universities may have not much to do with it but its reflective of the type of students at those universities. It doesn't sound like TX/LA/MS/AL region is very intellectual area of the country which is not a big surprise.

says the guy that is too stupid to even get the conference membership correct

(10-13-2014 12:12 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(10-13-2014 12:07 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(10-13-2014 11:48 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Those are year-by-year results.

Also, they give application numbers. Most of the schools towards the bottom of the list had less than 10 people apply period. Of course Michigan will produce 10x as many when more than 15x as many kids apply.

The term "producing" is misleading. The Universities really have very little to do with this.

That is true.

The Fullbright yield rate for some of those B1G schools is fairly low with so many applications they push out.

The universities may have not much to do with it but its reflective of the type of students at those universities. It doesn't sound like TX/LA/MS/AL region is very intellectual area of the country which is not a big surprise.

If you want to see it that way I guess you could. Another way to view it is that those areas of the country are less congested and the graduates of those schools have jobs.

Getting a Fullbright scholarship could be a great way to wait out the economic storm in many of those areas. The numbers would seem to suggest that is one factor, given rising application numbers in certain areas.

It goes back to your original point about the flaws of the USNWR. You can't really compare schools from different states all in one ranking and make a judgement as to which one is best.

Its state by state. What school has your major of interest? What would campus living be like? If I were living in Louisiana I'd probably go with ULL over LSU for the value your getting for the dollar spent. Tulane I'm not sure is worth the money unless you are talking Law school plus New Orleans Garden district is an expensive place to live.

Going out of state to Texas because they are higher in the USNWR rankings and paying that out-of-state tuition I don't see how it helps you unless you want to relocate to Austin. At the graduate level when your concern is research funding for your projects it may be more relevant.

(10-13-2014 12:17 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(10-13-2014 12:07 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(10-13-2014 11:48 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Those are year-by-year results.

Also, they give application numbers. Most of the schools towards the bottom of the list had less than 10 people apply period. Of course Michigan will produce 10x as many when more than 15x as many kids apply.

The term "producing" is misleading. The Universities really have very little to do with this.

That is true.

The Fullbright yield rate for some of those B1G schools is fairly low with so many applications they push out.

The universities may have not much to do with it but its reflective of the type of students at those universities. It doesn't sound like TX/LA/MS/AL region is very intellectual area of the country which is not a big surprise.

says the guy that is too stupid to even get the conference membership correct

FYI, I still have Texas in the SWC.

(10-13-2014 12:52 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(10-13-2014 12:12 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(10-13-2014 12:07 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(10-13-2014 11:48 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Those are year-by-year results.

Also, they give application numbers. Most of the schools towards the bottom of the list had less than 10 people apply period. Of course Michigan will produce 10x as many when more than 15x as many kids apply.

The term "producing" is misleading. The Universities really have very little to do with this.

That is true.

The Fullbright yield rate for some of those B1G schools is fairly low with so many applications they push out.

The universities may have not much to do with it but its reflective of the type of students at those universities. It doesn't sound like TX/LA/MS/AL region is very intellectual area of the country which is not a big surprise.

If you want to see it that way I guess you could. Another way to view it is that those areas of the country are less congested and the graduates of those schools have jobs.

Getting a Fullbright scholarship could be a great way to wait out the economic storm in many of those areas. The numbers would seem to suggest that is one factor, given rising application numbers in certain areas.

It goes back to your original point about the flaws of the USNWR. You can't really compare schools from different states all in one ranking and make a judgement as to which one is best.

Its state by state. What school has your major of interest? What would campus living be like? If I were living in Louisiana I'd probably go with ULL over LSU for the value your getting for the dollar spent. Tulane I'm not sure is worth the money unless you are talking Law school plus New Orleans Garden district is an expensive place to live.

Going out of state to Texas because they are higher in the USNWR rankings and paying that out-of-state tuition I don't see how it helps you unless you want to relocate to Austin. At the graduate level when your concern is research funding for your projects it may be more relevant.

I think you have nailed 100% what is wrong with US News for just about every reason.

As a lawyer I see the problem with law school rankings even worse.

I also think that just about every ranking system is counter productive because kids want to substitute it for their own judgement.

I think there are times where going to a certain school is a good idea for certain kids but ranking system really are entirely dependent on the kid. What I mean by that is the very best choice for one kid, in terms of value, education, and prospects, may be 180th on US News list.

We've talked about it in the Spin Room and there is a real problem with 'credentialism' in this country and it is starting to have seriously negative effects. I would place the emergence of ranking system as one of the top 3 reasons the current generation is finding itself in educational debt and employment hot water.

Important note - this list favors liberal arts schools. Engineering & Ag students rarely apply for Fullbright scholarships because they can get great jobs with just their undergraduate degrees.

P5 median: 19

Top G5 schools:
Ohio - 36
Rice - 29
Cincinnati - 18
UMass - 16
SDSU - 16
Temple 13
Tulane 12
BYU - 12
Connecticut - 11
Buffalo - 11

Also, UC is the most engineering-focused of these top G5 schools, so that lowers our numbers of Fullbrights. Do we really need any more evidence which group UC belongs in academically?

(10-13-2014 05:43 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Important note - this list favors liberal arts schools. Engineering & Ag students rarely apply for Fullbright scholarships because they can get great jobs with just their undergraduate degrees.

Georgia Tech still has 14 and they are extremely heavy engineering.

(10-13-2014 12:07 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(10-13-2014 11:48 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Those are year-by-year results.

Also, they give application numbers. Most of the schools towards the bottom of the list had less than 10 people apply period. Of course Michigan will produce 10x as many when more than 15x as many kids apply.

The term "producing" is misleading. The Universities really have very little to do with this.

That is true.

The Fullbright yield rate for some of those B1G schools is fairly low with so many applications they push out.

The universities may have not much to do with it but its reflective of the type of students at those universities. It doesn't sound like TX/LA/MS/AL region is very intellectual area of the country which is not a big surprise.

Somebody from Massachusetts making an assumption without really looking at the numbers, guess that's not a big surprise. Texas has Fulbright Scholars from 11 different universities, 7 of them public.

(10-13-2014 06:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-13-2014 12:07 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(10-13-2014 11:48 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Those are year-by-year results.

Also, they give application numbers. Most of the schools towards the bottom of the list had less than 10 people apply period. Of course Michigan will produce 10x as many when more than 15x as many kids apply.

The term "producing" is misleading. The Universities really have very little to do with this.

That is true.

The Fullbright yield rate for some of those B1G schools is fairly low with so many applications they push out.

The universities may have not much to do with it but its reflective of the type of students at those universities. It doesn't sound like TX/LA/MS/AL region is very intellectual area of the country which is not a big surprise.

Somebody from Massachusetts making an assumption without really looking at the numbers, guess that's not a big surprise. Texas has Fulbright Scholars from 11 different universities, 7 of them public.

Anything West of the Hudson River is a frontier wilderness no different than the Amazon Basin or the Congo.

Everyone talks on Samsungs and takes canoes into work. No mail service until you reach the West Coast.

(10-13-2014 06:43 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-13-2014 05:43 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Important note - this list favors liberal arts schools. Engineering & Ag students rarely apply for Fullbright scholarships because they can get great jobs with just their undergraduate degrees.

Georgia Tech still has 14 and they are extremely heavy engineering.

14 is tiddlywinks for as good of a school as Georgia Tech. From top-to-bottom they're probably a top-10 FBS school academically.

(10-14-2014 05:47 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-13-2014 06:43 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-13-2014 05:43 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Important note - this list favors liberal arts schools. Engineering & Ag students rarely apply for Fullbright scholarships because they can get great jobs with just their undergraduate degrees.

Georgia Tech still has 14 and they are extremely heavy engineering.

14 is tiddlywinks for as good of a school as Georgia Tech. From top-to-bottom they're probably a top-10 FBS school academically.

They're a relatively small flagship with only about 20k students.

(10-13-2014 08:33 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(10-13-2014 06:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-13-2014 12:07 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(10-13-2014 11:48 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Those are year-by-year results.

Also, they give application numbers. Most of the schools towards the bottom of the list had less than 10 people apply period. Of course Michigan will produce 10x as many when more than 15x as many kids apply.

The term "producing" is misleading. The Universities really have very little to do with this.

That is true.

The Fullbright yield rate for some of those B1G schools is fairly low with so many applications they push out.

The universities may have not much to do with it but its reflective of the type of students at those universities. It doesn't sound like TX/LA/MS/AL region is very intellectual area of the country which is not a big surprise.

Somebody from Massachusetts making an assumption without really looking at the numbers, guess that's not a big surprise. Texas has Fulbright Scholars from 11 different universities, 7 of them public.

Anything West of the Hudson River is a frontier wilderness no different than the Amazon Basin or the Congo.

Everyone talks on Samsungs and takes canoes into work. No mail service until you reach the West Coast.

Those "canoes" are called cars. Think of it like a cab, but you own it. You keep it in a "garage," which you can think of as like a whole room in your condo that the car can sleep in.

And you know those big branchy things in our yards? Those are called "trees." I know, they look strange to you, but they're the same things that turn red and orange in Maine this time of year (they turn red and orange here, too, but we don't have a whole tourist season dedicated to it because everyone has them).