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(10-12-2014 01:39 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  I dunno... I think we would be about the same. Holman isn't exactly tearing it up. 56% completion percentage (73 of 130)

The offense is sputtering along because of the skill positions around him. Defense keeping us competitive in most games. All we can hope to do is improve week to week.

I kind of agree. Dinovo was supposedly more consistent in fall practice. I would think he can do okay vs mediocre opponents because the skill positions are really doing most of the work. Then again, it seems like we would have beat Penn St with Holman playing all game.

We had 8 drops vs byu. That's 1 game. Factor those back in and you are at a healthier 62% for a first year starter. Three of this were the Frosch Aiken. If he can find his touch passes he will be ok


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How many of those drops are due to Holman throwing 90mph short routes?

When you have one of the best groups of WRs in the conference, if not the country, I'm guessing the drops aren't entirely on them.
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(10-13-2014 08:50 AM)Knightshift Wrote:  Holman clearly has potential. He just has a lot to learn. It was his job to lose heading into fall camp, and unfortunately, he flopped and lost it. Dinovo went from #1 to #3 immediately after the PSU game. That's all we need to know about him. I suspect he'll transfer after the season, considering we have Hollman, Patti, Harris (redshirting), and a QB from Texas already committed. I hope he can move on and be successful.

Hollman definitely doesn't have that "it" factor that we saw when Blake first stepped onto the field, but I think he can develop into a very good QB. It's just going to take time, and we're going to have to live through his growing pains. But as others have mentioned, he's not getting much help at all from our OL. I re-watched the BYU game, and while BYU has a solid defensive line, watching our run plays, some of our guys just look lost. Lots of missed assignments, and guys just not sustaining their blocks. I don't know if the young guys are just within a big learning curve, or if there's a talent issue, or a combination of the two. But right now, it isn't very good. I'm hoping some of these next few "easier" games (sans Temple, I think that's going to be a tough one) they can work out some of these problems, because our last two games are going to be dogfights.

I guess that we are looking at different games. Holman has looked like Cam Newton at times. He'll be a beast if he can ad 20-30 more lbs this offseason.
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(10-12-2014 03:57 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  DiNovo was absolutely terrible and Holman is mediocre.

Message Board fans say the dumbest things. DiNovo was bad against Penn State, but the real problem is no O-line. Thus the more mobile QB is preferred.

Holman is better than mediocre. You really don't have much of a handle on the historic quality of QBs at UCF. Probably having Blake Bortles as a measuring stick does that to you.
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(10-13-2014 09:20 AM)Juan Tibonya Wrote:  
(10-12-2014 03:57 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  DiNovo was absolutely terrible and Holman is mediocre.

Message Board fans say the dumbest things. DiNovo was bad against Penn State, but the real problem is no O-line. Thus the more mobile QB is preferred.

Holman is better than mediocre. You really don't have much of a handle on the historic quality of QBs at UCF. Probably having Blake Bortles as a measuring stick does that to you.

I've been here for all the crappy QBs we've had over the years like Kyle Israel and Michael Greco. Sure, maybe Holman has above average potential compared to UCFs luck historically at the position, but we don't compete with former UCF QBs. We compete with other QBs currently playing football and he doesn't look particularly good when compared to them.

If you think Holman is better than mediocre, you either don't watch any other teams play or you have some serious homer goggles on.

Holman wouldn't start at most P5 schools.
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he'd start most years at your other school. talk about a bad qb history.
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(10-13-2014 10:41 AM)Meatwad Wrote:  he'd start most years at your other school. talk about a bad qb history.
No kidding. I don't know what it is with my favorite schools inability to recruit and develop QBs. I don't think we've had anyone really good since Michael Vick.
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(10-13-2014 10:41 AM)Meatwad Wrote:  he'd start most years at your other school. talk about a bad qb history.

Yep.
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(10-13-2014 10:48 AM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  
(10-13-2014 10:41 AM)Meatwad Wrote:  he'd start most years at your other school. talk about a bad qb history.
No kidding. I don't know what it is with my favorite schools inability to recruit and develop QBs. I don't think we've had anyone really good since Michael Vick.

You recruit them, just don't develop them. That last guy had tons of potential. I was even hoping that he would develop.
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RE: UCF QB question
(10-13-2014 09:32 AM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  
(10-13-2014 09:20 AM)Juan Tibonya Wrote:  
(10-12-2014 03:57 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  DiNovo was absolutely terrible and Holman is mediocre.

Message Board fans say the dumbest things. DiNovo was bad against Penn State, but the real problem is no O-line. Thus the more mobile QB is preferred.

Holman is better than mediocre. You really don't have much of a handle on the historic quality of QBs at UCF. Probably having Blake Bortles as a measuring stick does that to you.

I've been here for all the crappy QBs we've had over the years like Kyle Israel and Michael Greco. Sure, maybe Holman has above average potential compared to UCFs luck historically at the position, but we don't compete with former UCF QBs. We compete with other QBs currently playing football and he doesn't look particularly good when compared to them.

If you think Holman is better than mediocre, you either don't watch any other teams play or you have some serious homer goggles on.

Holman wouldn't start at most P5 schools.

That make sense. Lets compare him to QBs at other schools who have different support players and programs instead of the typical UCF QB. Our QBs compete only with UCF QBs for the position, unless you can find a way to have Marcus Mariota come play for us. We can only recruit medium level QBs and every now and then you get lucky with a Bortles. So, given our propensity for mid-level QBs, I think Holman is a step above what we have typically had in reserve at UCF.

Yes I think Holman is better than mediocre given his age, experience and the O-line, he has done pretty well. I am not sure what else you would have expected from a guy who had his first start 4 weeks ago. He has progressed, not sure what else you would expect from him.
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That Penn State game when he stepped on the field and started throwing daggers, I thought UCF had found another special QB. I think he has some work to do between the ears, but he has no lack of talent or strength. He can rifle a football with a beautiful spiral. The awareness and presence comes from more PT, and I think UCF would greatly benefit from continuing to let him gain experience.
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(10-13-2014 10:55 AM)Juan Tibonya Wrote:  
(10-13-2014 09:32 AM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  
(10-13-2014 09:20 AM)Juan Tibonya Wrote:  
(10-12-2014 03:57 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  DiNovo was absolutely terrible and Holman is mediocre.

Message Board fans say the dumbest things. DiNovo was bad against Penn State, but the real problem is no O-line. Thus the more mobile QB is preferred.

Holman is better than mediocre. You really don't have much of a handle on the historic quality of QBs at UCF. Probably having Blake Bortles as a measuring stick does that to you.

I've been here for all the crappy QBs we've had over the years like Kyle Israel and Michael Greco. Sure, maybe Holman has above average potential compared to UCFs luck historically at the position, but we don't compete with former UCF QBs. We compete with other QBs currently playing football and he doesn't look particularly good when compared to them.

If you think Holman is better than mediocre, you either don't watch any other teams play or you have some serious homer goggles on.

Holman wouldn't start at most P5 schools.

That make sense. Lets compare him to QBs at other schools who have different support players and programs instead of the typical UCF QB. Our QBs compete only with UCF QBs for the position, unless you can find a way to have Marcus Mariota come play for us. We can only recruit medium level QBs and every now and then you get lucky with a Bortles. So, given our propensity for mid-level QBs, I think Holman is a step above what we have typically had in reserve at UCF.

But that's exactly what I'm saying. He's good in comparison to what we've had in the past, but he's not necessarily a good QB. Most half decent QBs will seem good compared to some of the people we've had start the past 10-15 years. Just because he's better than who we usually fielded doesn't make him a good QB.

Maybe Taafe will do a great job developing Holman and he'll be better than I'm expecting. Time will tell, for now all we're doing is guessing.
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(10-13-2014 09:03 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  
(10-13-2014 08:50 AM)Knightshift Wrote:  Holman clearly has potential. He just has a lot to learn. It was his job to lose heading into fall camp, and unfortunately, he flopped and lost it. Dinovo went from #1 to #3 immediately after the PSU game. That's all we need to know about him. I suspect he'll transfer after the season, considering we have Hollman, Patti, Harris (redshirting), and a QB from Texas already committed. I hope he can move on and be successful.

Hollman definitely doesn't have that "it" factor that we saw when Blake first stepped onto the field, but I think he can develop into a very good QB. It's just going to take time, and we're going to have to live through his growing pains. But as others have mentioned, he's not getting much help at all from our OL. I re-watched the BYU game, and while BYU has a solid defensive line, watching our run plays, some of our guys just look lost. Lots of missed assignments, and guys just not sustaining their blocks. I don't know if the young guys are just within a big learning curve, or if there's a talent issue, or a combination of the two. But right now, it isn't very good. I'm hoping some of these next few "easier" games (sans Temple, I think that's going to be a tough one) they can work out some of these problems, because our last two games are going to be dogfights.

I guess that we are looking at different games. Holman has looked like Cam Newton at times. He'll be a beast if he can ad 20-30 more lbs this offseason.

What I meant was, the first time Blake came into a game (BYU '11), he drove the team right down the field with nearly pinpoint accuracy. Even though the drive didn't result in a score, me and the friends I was with just looked at each other with a "wow" look on our faces. Between his accuracy, his command, and his poise, you just knew he could be something special. That's what I meant by "it" factor. I didn't have that impression of Justin, and to a degree, I still don't. But like I said, that doesn't mean I don't think he can develop into a damn good QB, because he absolutely can. I do think it'll take him more time to develop than Blake, but that's ok since Blake set an incredibly high standard. We just have to be patient with the growing pains that we really didn't have to endure with Blake.
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(10-13-2014 08:52 AM)rulethirty Wrote:  
(10-12-2014 08:30 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  
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(10-12-2014 01:39 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  I dunno... I think we would be about the same. Holman isn't exactly tearing it up. 56% completion percentage (73 of 130)

The offense is sputtering along because of the skill positions around him. Defense keeping us competitive in most games. All we can hope to do is improve week to week.

I kind of agree. Dinovo was supposedly more consistent in fall practice. I would think he can do okay vs mediocre opponents because the skill positions are really doing most of the work. Then again, it seems like we would have beat Penn St with Holman playing all game.

We had 8 drops vs byu. That's 1 game. Factor those back in and you are at a healthier 62% for a first year starter. Three of this were the Frosch Aiken. If he can find his touch passes he will be ok


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How many of those drops are due to Holman throwing 90mph short routes?

When you have one of the best groups of WRs in the conference, if not the country, I'm guessing the drops aren't entirely on them.

Again three were on Aiken. As I said he has to find the touch pass


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(10-12-2014 01:39 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  I dunno... I think we would be about the same. Holman isn't exactly tearing it up. 56% completion percentage (73 of 130)

The offense is sputtering along because of the skill positions around him. Defense keeping us competitive in most games. All we can hope to do is improve week to week.

01-wingedeagle That's some funny ****. Dinovo made Calabrese look good. We'd be 1-4 only because Bethune couldn't stop the run game, but it'd have been much closer like the Samford and SC State games.

Patti, I think, is probably a slightly more capable Kyle Israel. He'd be ok if set up with short routes and a decent running game. But Dinovo was a disaster. He had less zip on his passes than our frat league QB!
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(10-13-2014 08:52 AM)rulethirty Wrote:  
(10-12-2014 08:30 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  
(10-12-2014 02:03 PM)cretv Wrote:  
(10-12-2014 01:39 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  I dunno... I think we would be about the same. Holman isn't exactly tearing it up. 56% completion percentage (73 of 130)

The offense is sputtering along because of the skill positions around him. Defense keeping us competitive in most games. All we can hope to do is improve week to week.

I kind of agree. Dinovo was supposedly more consistent in fall practice. I would think he can do okay vs mediocre opponents because the skill positions are really doing most of the work. Then again, it seems like we would have beat Penn St with Holman playing all game.

We had 8 drops vs byu. That's 1 game. Factor those back in and you are at a healthier 62% for a first year starter. Three of this were the Frosch Aiken. If he can find his touch passes he will be ok


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How many of those drops are due to Holman throwing 90mph short routes?

When you have one of the best groups of WRs in the conference, if not the country, I'm guessing the drops aren't entirely on them.

In the last game or two, seems like most of the drops were from all 3 TE's...and while 1 or 2 might have been a close heater, most were just drops in the flat.

But yes, if Holman can develop a touch, he can start dropping in passes in lanes/spots like Blake...and hopefully that will come later this year or next.
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(10-13-2014 01:06 PM)Knightshift Wrote:  
(10-13-2014 09:03 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  
(10-13-2014 08:50 AM)Knightshift Wrote:  Holman clearly has potential. He just has a lot to learn. It was his job to lose heading into fall camp, and unfortunately, he flopped and lost it. Dinovo went from #1 to #3 immediately after the PSU game. That's all we need to know about him. I suspect he'll transfer after the season, considering we have Hollman, Patti, Harris (redshirting), and a QB from Texas already committed. I hope he can move on and be successful.

Hollman definitely doesn't have that "it" factor that we saw when Blake first stepped onto the field, but I think he can develop into a very good QB. It's just going to take time, and we're going to have to live through his growing pains. But as others have mentioned, he's not getting much help at all from our OL. I re-watched the BYU game, and while BYU has a solid defensive line, watching our run plays, some of our guys just look lost. Lots of missed assignments, and guys just not sustaining their blocks. I don't know if the young guys are just within a big learning curve, or if there's a talent issue, or a combination of the two. But right now, it isn't very good. I'm hoping some of these next few "easier" games (sans Temple, I think that's going to be a tough one) they can work out some of these problems, because our last two games are going to be dogfights.

I guess that we are looking at different games. Holman has looked like Cam Newton at times. He'll be a beast if he can ad 20-30 more lbs this offseason.

What I meant was, the first time Blake came into a game (BYU '11), he drove the team right down the field with nearly pinpoint accuracy. Even though the drive didn't result in a score, me and the friends I was with just looked at each other with a "wow" look on our faces. Between his accuracy, his command, and his poise, you just knew he could be something special. That's what I meant by "it" factor. I didn't have that impression of Justin, and to a degree, I still don't. But like I said, that doesn't mean I don't think he can develop into a damn good QB, because he absolutely can. I do think it'll take him more time to develop than Blake, but that's ok since Blake set an incredibly high standard. We just have to be patient with the growing pains that we really didn't have to endure with Blake.

I agree that you knew Blake was special from that BYU game. We had BYU fans come up to us after the game and comment on how good our backup QB was. and We were wondering why GOL took him out. However, to me it wasn't until the St. Pete bowl against Ball State that Blake finally put it all together.

Justin, while not as poised as Blake, continues to improve each week. to me that is the most important factor in evaluating the QB. That last drive against BYU in regular time, he stepped up and showed some real spark. When a QB makes the same mistakes over and over again that is a problem. UCF opened up the playbook just a little against BYU and Justin responded.

I believe that UCF has historically had many mediocre QBs. I think that we would have given much to have Holman at any of those times. I still believe that Dinovo is better than he played against PSU, but he looked and acted like a deer in headlights and did not have the athleticism that Holman has. You never know how a kid is going to react to game day pressure.
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holman's byu moment was penn state.
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i remember when bortles was brought down onto the field with the trumpeting of angels while sitting atop a stallion of gold and victory.

Statistically, Holman is looking very similar to Bortles's first year of starting. Whether he improves throughout the rest of this season and over the offseason is yet to be seen, but people acting like he's not a potentially great QB are being silly.
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