Why was the less egregious call made against TCU made?

Can't be that the refs are influenced by the home crowd.

No doubt TCU let this game get away, but a call on the 4th down would likely have sealed the win.

And I'm in no way a fan of TCU.

(10-12-2014 10:08 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  Why was the less egregious call made against TCU made?

Can't be that the refs are influenced by the home crowd.

No doubt TCU let this game get away, but a call on the 4th down would likely have sealed the win.

And I'm in no way a fan of TCU.

It happens...like you said, TCU let it get away, so this lack of a call has no bearing on them losing the game. Hence, the back and forth on fourth down in deciding to go for it or punt. The wheels fell off for TCU...

There have been a lot of poorly officiated games. Friday night's game between Stanford and Washington State had DBs draped all over the WRs all game long. Since no pass interference calls were being made the WRs got mugged all game long.

It's gotten kind of ridiculous. Someone mentioned getting away from conference refs and going with full time officials who work for the NCAA, which is probably the best option. Make them accountable for their poor calls too. If they aren't up to snuff, sit 'em and then hit 'em in the wallet.

(10-12-2014 12:05 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  There have been a lot of poorly officiated games. Friday night's game between Stanford and Washington State had DBs draped all over the WRs all game long. Since no pass interference calls were being made the WRs got mugged all game long.

It's gotten kind of ridiculous. Someone mentioned getting away from conference refs and going with full time officials who work for the NCAA, which is probably the best option. Make them accountable for their poor calls too. If they aren't up to snuff, sit 'em and then hit 'em in the wallet.

I'm OK with consistency. If they let both sides get away with the pushing and shoving, or they call everything, that's OK as the players will figure out what not to do.

But the two calls, or one no call and one call, were within 30 seconds on the clock with entirely different standards.

IMO the refs should call the games consistently - and by the rule book. If they do one, but not the other, it was a poorly officiated game. It doesn't matter which one of the 2 they choose not to do. Either way, it's a mark against the officials.

The inconsistency in the calls was glaring. And quite possibly impacted the result of the game.

But, that is a part of the game - and if you put yourself in a position to have a ref's call make a difference in the game, then you are putting yourself at risk. In this case, Baylor got a huge break (or two) - but not the first time in history of college football a game has turned on a call.

In my opinion, a more interesting, though not as game-significant, was the running of the official clock. There were several instances during the game where the clock appeared to have either not run at all or not run the entire length of the play.

(10-12-2014 12:05 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  There have been a lot of poorly officiated games. Friday night's game between Stanford and Washington State had DBs draped all over the WRs all game long. Since no pass interference calls were being made the WRs got mugged all game long.

It's gotten kind of ridiculous. Someone mentioned getting away from conference refs and going with full time officials who work for the NCAA, which is probably the best option. Make them accountable for their poor calls too. If they aren't up to snuff, sit 'em and then hit 'em in the wallet.

There should be full-time officials. Nearly every P5 head coach makes $2 million or more per year, the top coordinators make about $1 million/year, and the TV networks pay each P5 conference an average of about $4 million for each game they televise. And they're still relying on officials who are paid only a few hundred bucks per game? Ridiculous.

(10-12-2014 10:08 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  Why was the less egregious call made against TCU made?

Can't be that the refs are influenced by the home crowd.

No doubt TCU let this game get away, but a call on the 4th down would likely have sealed the win.

And I'm in no way a fan of TCU.

I was out and sorry that I missed that game. Saw the highlights on ESPN last night. Baylor committed interference. TCU didn't. The Baylor guy grabbed him around the waist before the ball got there. I think the TCU guy hit the Baylor guy simultaneous with the pass hitting his hands. So it was a very bad no call and a phantom interference call on TCU.

Let's focus on two calls at the end of a game instead of the several egregious calls that went against BU earlier. One no call literally had a LB run over a WR before the ball arrived and nothing from the refs. Also the face mask on the Linwood fumble play and TCU getting away with katana push offs all night.

Besides even if TCU gets the first down BU has three timeouts and it's a long FG for the Frogs with a good chance to have the ball back. It's not like some slam dunk TCU wins there. BU ran the ball milking tons of clock when they got it back. Would have had plenty of time to score if they stop TCU and use timeouts wisely.

The way BU was moving the ball I dot see the PI on TCU as significant as they weren't stopping anything by then.

Bad calls are part of the game and TCU got the benefit of most of them IMO.

(10-12-2014 10:08 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  Why was the less egregious call made against TCU made?

Can't be that the refs are influenced by the home crowd.

No doubt TCU let this game get away, but a call on the 4th down would likely have sealed the win.

And I'm in no way a fan of TCU.

Big12 refs are notoriously sketchy...just ask Iowa State, Nebraska and Mizzou.

I think you either have to call both of those or neither. Either "let them play" (unless it's very obvious PI) or don't.

I loved the end result...I don't like that there was a controversial call that was a part of it.

That said, there were quite a few borderline calls in the game that I thought went TCU's way, at least two of which resulted in points. Not taking anything away from TCU nor am I trying to ignore a PI inconsistency- just sayin'.

I also, perhaps foolishly, believe that had they not called PI on Baylor and Baylor punted with little time left, that Baylor would've won it OT because I feel TCU was gassed and playing on their heels at the end. But obviously we'll never know. It was a helluva game between two very good teams.

(10-14-2014 08:57 AM)1845 Bear Wrote:  Let's focus on two calls at the end of a game instead of the several egregious calls that went against BU earlier. One no call literally had a LB run over a WR before the ball arrived and nothing from the refs. Also the face mask on the Linwood fumble play and TCU getting away with katana push offs all night.

Besides even if TCU gets the first down BU has three timeouts and it's a long FG for the Frogs with a good chance to have the ball back. It's not like some slam dunk TCU wins there. BU ran the ball milking tons of clock when they got it back. Would have had plenty of time to score if they stop TCU and use timeouts wisely.

The way BU was moving the ball I dot see the PI on TCU as significant as they weren't stopping anything by then.

Bad calls are part of the game and TCU got the benefit of most of them IMO.

But earlier, you have a chance to recover. So referees messing up in the last minute is pretty bad. At least it was judgement calls, not totally ridiculous stuff like the SEC ref running the clock after an Alabama penalty so that Alabama didn't have to punt at the end of the Arkansas game.

Another example of why you need to outplay your opponent by 10 or 12 points to actually win a game on the road.