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Let's be honest, though: This was the same NIU team/performance that struggled to beat Kent. Kent State. Who got Squashed by UMass 40-17.

NIU is lost in the woods right now. NIU offensively hasn't been there the last couple weeks, and you could see the possibility of that scoring 0 points against NW in the 1st half of that game. They went from being the Ohio State of the MAC to the Northwestern of the MAC. NW found themselves. NIU very well may soon.

But my point is: Don't measure how good CMU really is, based on that game. CMU got two tough road games out of the way (@Toledo, @NIU). They COULD win the Mac West -- definite possibility. But also a definite possibility is that they don't.

I'm a firm believer that cheating is the route to go these days. John Calipary has made a career of it, Florida State has done well with cheating, Brian Kelly practically has a pact with the devil when it comes to cheating, and UT basketball barely missed a beat when they cheated.

Enos has clearly shown that looking the other way is a resume builder.

Why Fleck didn't have somebody take Lonnie Johnson's ACT for him is a mystery to me. Just another coaching blunder by a young coach I suppose

Unfortunately, I agree with you. For the most part, cheating does seem to pay. It reminds me of the old quote

"it's better to ask for forgiveness, than for permission."

I knew of a golf course developer who violated several laws with respect to wetlands development and EPA violations. He developed his golf course, was fined 5k for violating various laws and went on his merry profitable way. Had he tried to follow the rules, it would've cost him hundreds of thousands of dollars up front, and taken many more years to complete. Cheating paid.

^Worked for US131 Motorsports Park in Martin. They chopped down virtually all the trees separating the drag strip from US131 in order to create more parking and camping spots. After the trees were gone the DNR told them they had no right to clear all the trees. But the park has their parking and camping spots.

Speaking of pacts with the devil Aaron Rodgers just pulled off one of luckiest wins I've ever seen. Down 4 He loses a fumble on 3rd down and they come up with it even though it was surrounded by Dolphins. He then converts 4th and long and scores with 6 seconds left to win by 3.

(10-12-2014 03:21 PM)Broncobelt Wrote:  ^Worked for US131 Motorsports Park in Martin. They chopped down virtually all the trees separating the drag strip from US131 in order to create more parking and camping spots. After the trees were gone the DNR told them they had no right to clear all the trees. But the park has their parking and camping spots.

Wow, I've never felt this kind of mutual agreement here. So I guess we can all agree, cheating is the way to go

(10-12-2014 03:38 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(10-12-2014 03:21 PM)Broncobelt Wrote:  ^Worked for US131 Motorsports Park in Martin. They chopped down virtually all the trees separating the drag strip from US131 in order to create more parking and camping spots. After the trees were gone the DNR told them they had no right to clear all the trees. But the park has their parking and camping spots.

Wow, I've never felt this kind of mutual agreement here. So I guess we can all agree, cheating is the way to go

Don't think anyone is really advocating that. Just pointing out that in today's world people and organizations get away with a lot of sh1t that they shouldn't

I KNOW cheating works. I place BS in the same vein. I've seen so many incompetitent frauds get ahead by lying, cheating and with pure BS, it's sickening. Those types look at people with ethics and who work hard and think they're stupid.

We are all about optics and no substance. Big talkers and cheaters get the job and the girl. Pays to be the grasshopper and not the ant.

(10-12-2014 03:58 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  I KNOW cheating works. I place BS in the same vein. I've seen so many incompetitent frauds get ahead by lying, cheating and with pure BS, it's sickening. Those types look at people with ethics and who work hard and think they're stupid.

We are all about optics and no substance. Big talkers and cheaters get the job and the girl. Pays to be the grasshopper and not the ant.

Wow! I got that.

(10-12-2014 03:43 PM)Broncobelt Wrote:  

(10-12-2014 03:38 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(10-12-2014 03:21 PM)Broncobelt Wrote:  ^Worked for US131 Motorsports Park in Martin. They chopped down virtually all the trees separating the drag strip from US131 in order to create more parking and camping spots. After the trees were gone the DNR told them they had no right to clear all the trees. But the park has their parking and camping spots.

Wow, I've never felt this kind of mutual agreement here. So I guess we can all agree, cheating is the way to go

Don't think anyone is really advocating that. Just pointing out that in today's world people and organizations get away with a lot of sh1t that they shouldn't

Well I totally disagree. I had a colleague who had roomed with a UM starting guard (players name escapes me but he was from St. Clair Shores.) He said the players all got sweetheart lease deals on cars. Zeigler and Seeley need to step it up. Cheating is everywhere in college sport, we need to get on board.

(10-12-2014 04:00 PM)BCBronco Wrote:  

(10-12-2014 03:58 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  I KNOW cheating works. I place BS in the same vein. I've seen so many incompetitent frauds get ahead by lying, cheating and with pure BS, it's sickening. Those types look at people with ethics and who work hard and think they're stupid.

We are all about optics and no substance. Big talkers and cheaters get the job and the girl. Pays to be the grasshopper and not the ant.

Wow! I got that.

That was my way of annointing you.

(10-12-2014 04:03 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  

(10-12-2014 04:00 PM)BCBronco Wrote:  

(10-12-2014 03:58 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  I KNOW cheating works. I place BS in the same vein. I've seen so many incompetitent frauds get ahead by lying, cheating and with pure BS, it's sickening. Those types look at people with ethics and who work hard and think they're stupid.

We are all about optics and no substance. Big talkers and cheaters get the job and the girl. Pays to be the grasshopper and not the ant.

Wow! I got that.

That was my way of annointing you.

That brought a tear to my eyes. Thanks guys. Clearly the evidence for cheating is overwhelming.

(10-12-2014 04:03 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  

(10-12-2014 04:00 PM)BCBronco Wrote:  

(10-12-2014 03:58 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  I KNOW cheating works. I place BS in the same vein. I've seen so many incompetitent frauds get ahead by lying, cheating and with pure BS, it's sickening. Those types look at people with ethics and who work hard and think they're stupid.

We are all about optics and no substance. Big talkers and cheaters get the job and the girl. Pays to be the grasshopper and not the ant.

Wow! I got that.

That was my way of annointing you.

On cloud nine.

Early in two careers I would enter accurate data and send in truthful reports to my supervisors. Over time I learned that they really didn't want accurate information, they wanted information that made, me, them, and people above them look good.

I became very good at fudging data and writing glowing performance reports. Overnight I went from a lowly subordinate, to being singled out at meetings from my stellar performance. That strategy served me well through two careers. I'm not saying I was cheating, it was more like everybody in the foodchain was cheating all the way up to the head honcho who gave these glorified reports to the board.

Just another example of how cheating can pay dividends. The sooner our coach starts rowing that boat the sooner we see results on the field

So we are saying with absolute certainty he's not?

(10-12-2014 04:31 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  Early in two careers I would enter accurate data and send in truthful reports to my supervisors. Over time I learned that they really didn't want accurate information, they wanted information that made, me, them, and people above them look good.

I became very good at fudging data and writing glowing performance reports. Overnight I went from a lowly subordinate, to being singled out at meetings from my stellar performance. That strategy served me well through two careers. I'm not saying I was cheating, it was more like everybody in the foodchain was cheating all the way up to the head honcho who gave these glorified reports to the board.

Just another example of how cheating can pay dividends. The sooner our coach starts rowing that boat the sooner we see results on the field

Years ago when I still worked at WMU I was in a staff meeting when our director asked us for feedback on some whack of a "brilliant" idea. I gave him what I thought was thoughtful, reflective and data based feedback. He got mad, turned red and stomped out of the room. I realized really quickly that he did not want feedback, he wanted affirmation. Dumb me.

I'm thinking that Enos will be sitting on a Yacht, making BCS money and saying how glad he was that he gave this misguided kid a second chance.

All the while I'll be unable to watch his games because I cut satellite to save money. Glad I have my moral compass dialed so well!

Here is a question that will make you think. Who is the last BC$ program to be hit with penalties/sanctions by the NCAA and when?

(10-12-2014 05:05 PM)BCBronco Wrote:  

(10-12-2014 04:31 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  Early in two careers I would enter accurate data and send in truthful reports to my supervisors. Over time I learned that they really didn't want accurate information, they wanted information that made, me, them, and people above them look good.

I became very good at fudging data and writing glowing performance reports. Overnight I went from a lowly subordinate, to being singled out at meetings from my stellar performance. That strategy served me well through two careers. I'm not saying I was cheating, it was more like everybody in the foodchain was cheating all the way up to the head honcho who gave these glorified reports to the board.

Just another example of how cheating can pay dividends. The sooner our coach starts rowing that boat the sooner we see results on the field

Years ago when I still worked at WMU I was in a staff meeting when our director asked us for feedback on some whack of a "brilliant" idea. I gave him what I thought was thoughtful, reflective and data based feedback. He got mad, turned red and stomped out of the room. I realized really quickly that he did not want feedback, he wanted affirmation. Dumb me.

Yeah, I'm not sure they teach that in business school. Everyone seems to have to learn the hard way.

(10-12-2014 05:09 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  Here is a question that will make you think. Who is the last BC$ program to be hit with penalties/sanctions by the NCAA and when?

Was it Central Connecticut stripped of 4 scholarships, for video taping Jim Boehiem paying recruits?

Was it when Arkansas was caught buying Mercede's for their QB, and Missouri State at Pine Bluff was put on a three year probation.

Was it when Texas was caught sending recruits to a whore house, and Texas at Corpus Christie was denied 12 scholarships for the infraction.

Was it when Reggie Bush was caught cashing checks from Pete Carroll, and Long Beach State was given the death penalty?