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(10-12-2014 09:48 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(10-12-2014 08:56 PM)arrows80 Wrote:  Apparently beating Murray State (a bad FCS team), 0-6 Idaho, and 1-5 Ball State makes WMU worthy of a spot in Todd's "tough tier."

Hilarious. 03-lmfao

I think it has to do more with their other (three) games.

They haven't had a bad game all year (e.g., Purdue, Va. Tech or Toledo). After a shaky start vs. Va Tech they settled down and played well.

If they hadn't blown the Toledo game, they'd be 4 - 2 and 2 - 0 in the MAC.

What if Ball State hadn't "blown" their game against WMU? What tier does a team that has to come back from a large deficit against an awful squad belong in?

Progress is a relative term. Is WMU better than last year? No doubt. Is it even possible to be worse than they were in 2013? It would be tough.

I want their fans/alums to have all sorts of expectations when they visit K/S later this year. I hope they're buying what you and Todd are selling.
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(10-13-2014 08:15 AM)arrows80 Wrote:  
(10-12-2014 09:48 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(10-12-2014 08:56 PM)arrows80 Wrote:  Apparently beating Murray State (a bad FCS team), 0-6 Idaho, and 1-5 Ball State makes WMU worthy of a spot in Todd's "tough tier."

Hilarious. 03-lmfao

I think it has to do more with their other (three) games.

They haven't had a bad game all year (e.g., Purdue, Va. Tech or Toledo). After a shaky start vs. Va Tech they settled down and played well.

If they hadn't blown the Toledo game, they'd be 4 - 2 and 2 - 0 in the MAC.

What if Ball State hadn't "blown" their game against WMU? What tier does a team that has to come back from a large deficit against an awful squad belong in?

Progress is a relative term. Is WMU better than last year? No doubt. Is it even possible to be worse than they were in 2013? It would be tough.

I want their fans/alums to have all sorts of expectations when they visit K/S later this year. I hope they're buying what you and Todd are selling.

That will be a great game.

CMU and WMU are two teams with very, very well balanced offenses:

Terrell, Franklin, Corey Davis and Braverman vs.

Rush, Rawls, Titus Davis, etc.

Franklin and Rawls are IMHO the two best RBs in the conference (there are other really good ones, also).

The two Davises are among the best WRs in the conference.

Both QBs know how to manage their offenses...

Folks come to watch offenses and marque offensive players and this game will have it.
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(10-13-2014 08:15 AM)arrows80 Wrote:  
(10-12-2014 09:48 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(10-12-2014 08:56 PM)arrows80 Wrote:  Apparently beating Murray State (a bad FCS team), 0-6 Idaho, and 1-5 Ball State makes WMU worthy of a spot in Todd's "tough tier."

Hilarious. 03-lmfao

I think it has to do more with their other (three) games.

They haven't had a bad game all year (e.g., Purdue, Va. Tech or Toledo). After a shaky start vs. Va Tech they settled down and played well.

If they hadn't blown the Toledo game, they'd be 4 - 2 and 2 - 0 in the MAC.

What if Ball State hadn't "blown" their game against WMU? What tier does a team that has to come back from a large deficit against an awful squad belong in?

Progress is a relative term. Is WMU better than last year? No doubt. Is it even possible to be worse than they were in 2013? It would be tough.

I want their fans/alums to have all sorts of expectations when they visit K/S later this year. I hope they're buying what you and Todd are selling.

One thing: evaluation are based on the season not something which happened less then 48 hours ago.

Re: CMU and WMU

CMU suffered greatly without Rawls. They are a different team without him. So long as he plays, CMU is dangerous.

WMU has not played a bad game all year (most MAC teams can't say that).

Western's worse loss was to Va. Tech but they were very competitive esp. after a terrible start. Good ACC teams will suffer similar fates.
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(10-13-2014 08:55 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(10-13-2014 08:15 AM)arrows80 Wrote:  
(10-12-2014 09:48 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(10-12-2014 08:56 PM)arrows80 Wrote:  Apparently beating Murray State (a bad FCS team), 0-6 Idaho, and 1-5 Ball State makes WMU worthy of a spot in Todd's "tough tier."

Hilarious. 03-lmfao

I think it has to do more with their other (three) games.

They haven't had a bad game all year (e.g., Purdue, Va. Tech or Toledo). After a shaky start vs. Va Tech they settled down and played well.

If they hadn't blown the Toledo game, they'd be 4 - 2 and 2 - 0 in the MAC.

What if Ball State hadn't "blown" their game against WMU? What tier does a team that has to come back from a large deficit against an awful squad belong in?

Progress is a relative term. Is WMU better than last year? No doubt. Is it even possible to be worse than they were in 2013? It would be tough.

I want their fans/alums to have all sorts of expectations when they visit K/S later this year. I hope they're buying what you and Todd are selling.

That will be a great game.

CMU and WMU are two teams with very, very well balanced offenses:

Terrell, Franklin, Corey Davis and Braverman vs.

Rush, Rawls, Titus Davis, etc.

Franklin and Rawls are IMHO the two best RBs in the conference (there are other really good ones, also).

The two Davises are among the best WRs in the conference.

Both QBs know how to manage their offenses...

Folks come to watch offenses and marque offensive players and this game will have it.

I'm hoping it comes down to the defenses. Ours has been mostly solid (outside of the Toledo debacle); their defense is horrific.
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8 of 13 MAC schools are allowing an average of 30+ points per game. A defensive conference, we are not. I realize one or two body bag games can skew the data (EMU at MSU, for instance), but still...

SCORING DEFENSE

1. Akron 6 14 3 11 0 0 0 104 17.3
2. Central Michigan 7 20 8 18 1 0 1 166 23.7
3. Northern Illinois 6 18 7 15 3 0 1 152 25.3
4. Ohio 7 22 9 21 0 0 0 180 25.7
5. Ball State 6 21 6 19 0 0 0 163 27.2
6. Western Michigan 6 22 9 20 0 0 2 183 30.5
7. Miami 7 30 7 26 0 0 1 229 32.7
8. Toledo 7 30 9 27 0 0 0 234 33.4
9. Kent State 6 27 6 26 0 0 1 208 34.7
10. Buffalo 7 34 4 29 0 0 0 245 35.0
11. UMass 7 33 10 29 1 0 0 259 37.0
12. Bowling Green 7 36 5 35 0 0 0 266 38.0
13. Eastern Michigan 6 31 8 31 0 0 0 241 40.2
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(10-13-2014 08:15 AM)arrows80 Wrote:  Progress is a relative term.

I think CMU has made slow steady progress under Enos. The cupboard was largely bare when he took over and he hasn't taken any steps back so far. It may be slower progress than under Kelly or Jones, but he's a very young coach. By and large, I like him. I hope we keep him.

2010: 3–9 2–6 T–5th (MAC-West)
2011: 3–9 2–6 6th (MAC-West)
2012: 7–6 4–4 4th (MAC-West) Win the Little Caesars Pizza Bowl
2013: 6–6 5–3 4th (MAC-West)
2014: 4–3 2–1

With the surprise win over NoILL (a surprise to me, anyway) and BallSt's step back this year, I think we have a good chance to win 4-5 of the 5 games we have left (BallSt, @Buffalo, @EMU, Miami(OH), WMU). We'd then have a very nice looking 9-3, 7-1 or a respectable 8-4, 6-2.

Again - I hope Enos stays at CMU (at least we know the job is not available at his Alma Mater anytime soon).

Hey UofM. Do you have any more running backs with one more year of eligibility left?
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(10-13-2014 08:55 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(10-13-2014 08:15 AM)arrows80 Wrote:  
(10-12-2014 09:48 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(10-12-2014 08:56 PM)arrows80 Wrote:  Apparently beating Murray State (a bad FCS team), 0-6 Idaho, and 1-5 Ball State makes WMU worthy of a spot in Todd's "tough tier."

Hilarious. 03-lmfao

I think it has to do more with their other (three) games.

They haven't had a bad game all year (e.g., Purdue, Va. Tech or Toledo). After a shaky start vs. Va Tech they settled down and played well.

If they hadn't blown the Toledo game, they'd be 4 - 2 and 2 - 0 in the MAC.

What if Ball State hadn't "blown" their game against WMU? What tier does a team that has to come back from a large deficit against an awful squad belong in?

Progress is a relative term. Is WMU better than last year? No doubt. Is it even possible to be worse than they were in 2013? It would be tough.

I want their fans/alums to have all sorts of expectations when they visit K/S later this year. I hope they're buying what you and Todd are selling.

That will be a great game.

CMU and WMU are two teams with very, very well balanced offenses:

Terrell, Franklin, Corey Davis and Braverman vs.

Rush, Rawls, Titus Davis, etc.

Franklin and Rawls are IMHO the two best RBs in the conference (there are other really good ones, also).

The two Davises are among the best WRs in the conference.

Both QBs know how to manage their offenses...

Folks come to watch offenses and marque offensive players and this game will have it.

Rawls and franklin are not hands down the best. Taylor, Edwards, greene, and Hunt have to be in that talk. Greene doesnt get a ton of touches but is pretty effective. Maybe i am just biased because Rawls and Franklin didnt burn us a ton... But personally id take a healthy Hunt over anyone. Yea he hasnt played in a few weeks but vs some pretty good defenses he has done some damage. I wish rawls would have gotten to play cuse or Kansas to showcase his tallent.
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(10-13-2014 08:15 AM)arrows80 Wrote:  What if Ball State hadn't "blown" their game against WMU? What tier does a team that has to come back from a large deficit against an awful squad belong in?

A higher tier than a team that lost to that same awful squad at home.......

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Quote:Yeah, WMU hardly "blew" the UT game. It got dicey late but it's not like Toledo came from three scores down to win.

I do get a kick out of how certain UT posters characterize trailing all game (UT never led until OT - and then because they got the ball first) as somehow it was not WMU blowing the game. Missing an xp that would have continued the OT is NOT blowing it? UT fans would believe otherwise if the situation had been reversed.

Of course, it doesn't matter now as it's water under the bridge.
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When you score two tds on one drive and both get called back for penalties and end up with no points because you fumble on the 2. Another drive we had another td called back and came out with 3 points. Thats an 11 point swing. Plus toledo had 4 total turnovers. I mean i guess wmu failed to capitalize which you could say is them blowing it but Toledo played sloppy and shouldnt have given wmu the opportunities to stay within shooting distance. The blocked fg and doinked pat were your way of saying this weather sucks, we deserve bad luck also.
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(10-18-2014 07:40 PM)Ubish Wrote:  
(10-13-2014 08:15 AM)arrows80 Wrote:  What if Ball State hadn't "blown" their game against WMU? What tier does a team that has to come back from a large deficit against an awful squad belong in?

A higher tier than a team that lost to that same awful squad at home.......

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That's rich.

Will we be hearing from you BEFORE the Central-Worstin game, or after? 03-shhhh

I'm guessing we all know the answer (unless Worstin loses, in which case you'll have nothing to say at all).
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(10-19-2014 06:32 AM)arrows80 Wrote:  
(10-18-2014 07:40 PM)Ubish Wrote:  
(10-13-2014 08:15 AM)arrows80 Wrote:  What if Ball State hadn't "blown" their game against WMU? What tier does a team that has to come back from a large deficit against an awful squad belong in?

A higher tier than a team that lost to that same awful squad at home.......

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That's rich.

Will we be hearing from you BEFORE the Central-Worstin game, or after? 03-shhhh

I'm guessing we all know the answer (unless Worstin loses, in which case you'll have nothing to say at all).

Actually, it doesn't mean much at all.

EMU beat Buffalo (badly) which beat Miami which beat UMass which beat EMU (badly).

I've watched each WMU game (N=7) and they are top tier in the MAC, and have an outside shot at going to the MACC (Toledo is the driver's seat with that win over Western. They have two ESPN-U games vs. BG and NIU mid-week. Key games).

All of that said, there should be some highly competitive games within the MAC West, esp. among, NIU, Toledo, WMU and CMU.
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(10-19-2014 06:32 AM)arrows80 Wrote:  
(10-18-2014 07:40 PM)Ubish Wrote:  
(10-13-2014 08:15 AM)arrows80 Wrote:  What if Ball State hadn't "blown" their game against WMU? What tier does a team that has to come back from a large deficit against an awful squad belong in?

A higher tier than a team that lost to that same awful squad at home.......

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That's rich.

Will we be hearing from you BEFORE the Central-Worstin game, or after? 03-shhhh

I'm guessing we all know the answer (unless Worstin loses, in which case you'll have nothing to say at all).

Actually, it doesn't mean much at all. WMU has played 7 games and one game is '14%' of the season to date. So talking about one game is to ignore the other 86%. Which is why things like this happen:

EMU beat Buffalo (badly) which beat Miami which beat UMass which beat EMU (badly).

I've watched each WMU game (N=7) and they are top tier in the MAC, and have an outside shot at going to the MACC.

All of that said, there should be some highly competitive games within the MAC West, esp. among, NIU, Toledo, WMU and CMU, esp. next month when we get the showdown games.
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Considering cmu, wmu, and bsu have been the bugaboos to upset higher MAC teams i am glad Toledo is done with those three. BG and NIU are the only better group games we have left and neither have proven that they can beat a team on their level yet. Maybe northwestern, but they looked totally different in early september compaired to early October... Time will tell. Having two losses in the west puts you extremely behind the eight ball. Wmu cant really lose again...
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(10-19-2014 03:39 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  When you score two tds on one drive and both get called back for penalties and end up with no points because you fumble on the 2. Another drive we had another td called back and came out with 3 points. Thats an 11 point swing. Plus toledo had 4 total turnovers. I mean i guess wmu failed to capitalize which you could say is them blowing it but Toledo played sloppy and shouldnt have given wmu the opportunities to stay within shooting distance. The blocked fg and doinked pat were your way of saying this weather sucks, we deserve bad luck also.

Western left more points of the board than UT did with missed field goals and and blowing what should have been easy TDs. UT had 453 yrds on offence and WMU had 450 yrds. That is a push!

We walked off the field walked off the field a couple of times, turning the ball over to UT after we missed what should have been easy field goals. As for the UT turnovers, if you were at the game then you would have saw that Western gave up a lot of yards on the run game as they were trying to strip the ball more than tackle the runner. The fans were getting irritated at this, until it started to bare fruit.

Cut out the hubris. UT did not blow the game. They played there toughest MAC opponent this year in the absolute, most worst conditions that they will see this year. In the end, they were just a wee bit more luckier than Western and they won by 1 frigging point!

PS You were playing against 19 freshmen. Though they are very talented, they are inexperienced freshmen none the less, but they will be a lot better next year and the ones after that. Enjoy your victory this year, because you will not again for a while. 05-nono
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(10-19-2014 10:00 AM)westernwilly Wrote:  
(10-19-2014 03:39 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  When you score two tds on one drive and both get called back for penalties and end up with no points because you fumble on the 2. Another drive we had another td called back and came out with 3 points. Thats an 11 point swing. Plus toledo had 4 total turnovers. I mean i guess wmu failed to capitalize which you could say is them blowing it but Toledo played sloppy and shouldnt have given wmu the opportunities to stay within shooting distance. The blocked fg and doinked pat were your way of saying this weather sucks, we deserve bad luck also.

Western left more points of the board than UT did with missed field goals and and blowing what should have been easy TDs. UT had 453 yrds on offence and WMU had 450 yrds. That is a push!

We walked off the field walked off the field a couple of times, turning the ball over to UT after we missed what should have been easy field goals. As for the UT turnovers, if you were at the game then you would have saw that Western gave up a lot of yards on the run game as they were trying to strip the ball more than tackle the runner. The fans were getting irritated at this, until it started to bare fruit.

Cut out the hubris. UT did not blow the game. They played there toughest MAC opponent this year in the absolute, most worst conditions that they will see this year. In the end, they were just a wee bit more luckier than Western and they won by 1 frigging point!

PS You were playing against 19 freshmen. Though they are very talented, they are inexperienced freshmen none the less, but they will be a lot better next year and the ones after that. Enjoy your victory this year, because you will not again for a while. 05-nono

Toledo left about 25 points off the board. The strip of Swanson was on the
end of a 17 yd run @the WMU 28 after the Corey 40+yd return. Stripping the FB had no bearing on the botched center/QB exchange at the goal line or the TD that was was called back because of holding. One UT FG was due to the Rocket penalties moving the Rockets from about 2 down and the WMU 3 yd line. Btw, that was true Freshman Terry Swanson's first start, he ran for 179 yds almost 9 yds per attempt, a little better than Franklin's 60 some yds in 20 attempts.
Just so you know the starting WMU Offense had only 2 less Seniors than UT's, while the starting WMU Defense has more upper classmen than Toledo's. Quite a few players are Cubit's recruits(which he always had some good talent on his teams). Believe me you got Toledo's worst and still couldn't pull it off. You're very lucky Kareem Hunt wasn't available. He's a powerback and can dominant a game(Pull up last season's UT@BG game on youtube).
Here's 3 important points:
1) On the one WMU FG attempt, Bronco field position was because of a sack by the Rockets.
2) One of the missed FG's was blocked by Toledo not really a Bronco
miss.
3) The missed WMU extra point was for a tie in OT, not a Bronco win.
It would have only given you an opportunity to try win in another OT.

I watched these game at least 7 or 8 times, combed the stats, went over
the rosters, game participation, and starting line up, including the class
year of the players. So I have a good idea about this game.

Btw, nice that you've got some young talent, but so does Toledo and they been recruiting at a high level for a few years now. Final thought- take away Franklin and Terrell and that basically what you got playing UT without Hunt and Ely.
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(10-19-2014 11:23 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  
(10-19-2014 10:00 AM)westernwilly Wrote:  
(10-19-2014 03:39 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  When you score two tds on one drive and both get called back for penalties and end up with no points because you fumble on the 2. Another drive we had another td called back and came out with 3 points. Thats an 11 point swing. Plus toledo had 4 total turnovers. I mean i guess wmu failed to capitalize which you could say is them blowing it but Toledo played sloppy and shouldnt have given wmu the opportunities to stay within shooting distance. The blocked fg and doinked pat were your way of saying this weather sucks, we deserve bad luck also.

Western left more points of the board than UT did with missed field goals and and blowing what should have been easy TDs. UT had 453 yrds on offence and WMU had 450 yrds. That is a push!

We walked off the field walked off the field a couple of times, turning the ball over to UT after we missed what should have been easy field goals. As for the UT turnovers, if you were at the game then you would have saw that Western gave up a lot of yards on the run game as they were trying to strip the ball more than tackle the runner. The fans were getting irritated at this, until it started to bare fruit.

Cut out the hubris. UT did not blow the game. They played there toughest MAC opponent this year in the absolute, most worst conditions that they will see this year. In the end, they were just a wee bit more luckier than Western and they won by 1 frigging point!

PS You were playing against 19 freshmen. Though they are very talented, they are inexperienced freshmen none the less, but they will be a lot better next year and the ones after that. Enjoy your victory this year, because you will not again for a while. 05-nono

Toledo left about 25 points off the board. The strip of Swanson was on the
end of a 17 yd run @the WMU 28 after the Corey 40+yd return. Stripping the FB had no bearing on the botched center/QB exchange at the goal line or the TD that was was called back because of holding. One UT FG was due to the Rocket penalties moving the Rockets from about 2 down and the WMU 3 yd line. Btw, that was true Freshman Terry Swanson's first start, he ran for 179 yds almost 9 yds per attempt, a little better than Franklin's 60 some yds in 20 attempts.
Just so you know the starting WMU Offense had only 2 less Seniors than UT's, while the starting WMU Defense has more upper classmen than Toledo's. Quite a few players are Cubit's recruits(which he always had some good talent on his teams). Believe me you got Toledo's worst and still couldn't pull it off. You're very lucky Kareem Hunt wasn't available. He's a powerback and can dominant a game(Pull up last season's UT@BG game on youtube).
Here's 3 important points:
1) On the one WMU FG attempt, Bronco field position was because of a sack by the Rockets.
2) One of the missed FG's was blocked by Toledo not really a Bronco
miss.
3) The missed WMU extra point was for a tie in OT, not a Bronco win.
It would have only given you an opportunity to try win in another OT.

I watched these game at least 7 or 8 times, combed the stats, went over
the rosters, game participation, and starting line up, including the class
year of the players. So I have a good idea about this game.

Btw, nice that you've got some young talent, but so does Toledo and they been recruiting at a high level for a few years now. Final thought- take away Franklin and Terrell and that basically what you got playing UT without Hunt and Ely.

Okay, you win. WMU sucks and Toledo sucks just one point less then them. 03-phew
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Quote:1) On the one WMU FG attempt, Bronco field position was because of a sack by the Rockets.

Let's switch roles here. Say the complete opposite that game happened to either team. Would you even be THINKING that way? :) It was a FG under 30 yards that was Missed! Not "Oh, well, the other team sacked us, forcing a FG, so we deserved to miss it."

Quote:2) One of the missed FG's was blocked by Toledo not really a Bronco miss.

With short FGs like that, I don't think it was "Toledo Talent" that saved the day. :) The kicker shouldn't be kicking it so low, so close to it. Toledo rightfully did what they had to do -- and thankfully for them, WMU's kicker (and/or ball holder) was being sub-par.

Quote:3) The missed WMU extra point was for a tie in OT, not a Bronco win.

True. It was not for a Bronco win -- but missing said BASIC thing was for a Bronco LOSS.
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(10-19-2014 03:04 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  
Quote:1) On the one WMU FG attempt, Bronco field position was because of a sack by the Rockets.

Let's switch roles here. Say the complete opposite that game happened to either team. Would you even be THINKING that way? :) It was a FG under 30 yards that was Missed! Not "Oh, well, the other team sacked us, forcing a FG, so we deserved to miss it."

Quote:2) One of the missed FG's was blocked by Toledo not really a Bronco miss.

With short FGs like that, I don't think it was "Toledo Talent" that saved the day. :) The kicker shouldn't be kicking it so low, so close to it. Toledo rightfully did what they had to do -- and thankfully for them, WMU's kicker (and/or ball holder) was being sub-par.

Quote:3) The missed WMU extra point was for a tie in OT, not a Bronco win.

True. It was not for a Bronco win -- but missing said BASIC thing was for a Bronco LOSS.

Broncos were hitting 50% on FG's between the 20-29 yd lines(it's now 40%) and the Red Zone Offense was 85%. The UT Defense's sack moving WMU out of the Red Zone certainly impacted their ability to score.
And it was Toledo talent that blocked the FG and shutdown Franklin. Plenty of kickers don't get under the FB enough on extra points/short chip-shot FG's and still don't get their kicks blocked. Rewatch the play in slow motion.
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Toledo played their worst game of the year, and not a fan on the UT board will disagree. Four turnovers is not good in anyones book. WMU forced a couple, but not all were forced... WMU didn't force Toledo to penalize themselves for 3TD call backs either, that was Toledo's own doing. You can argue without a hold, Toledo doesn't score...whatever, but Toledo gets some points on the board in those situations. Any... and that game is a Toledo win, in regulation, on the road, in the MAC.

Now you can argue IF Toledo played their worst game of the year, and IF UT makes all of those mistakes then WMU should have taken advantage of UT's mishaps (which are uncanty of them). THEN WMU blew "getting lucky and stealing a game." IF WMU wins that game, it was because they "got lucky and stole a game," not because they were the superior team going in. Blowing a game kind of entitles you were the better team, in which I disagree.

Westerns star RB didn't beat Toledo, your passing game did...this wouldn't have even been a conversation if you run a screen in OT for the two point conversion and beat Toledo outright... instead you rely on a kicker who booted one just inside the post earlier in the game, and also had one blocked.

Does WMU think that was their worst effort of the year? I bet some say it was somewhere in the middle, besides the kicking game which was not very good.
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