Please don't puff your chest about those teams that have multiple losses going undefeated. It's not easy even playing a terrible schedule. Marshall beat a decent Rice team and has 2 teams left that should have winning records and a conference championship game. Still not the strongest resume but if they don't lose, they deserve the chance. Sad thing is I think Marshall would beat all of the teams you mentioned as being able to go undefeated. Watch them play and you maybe surprised how good they are.

Oh and i forgot, didn't conference USA go 17-4 against the G5 this year which I believe is the best record.

When you take emotions out of the discussion, I don't think that we can legitimately argue that a 2 or 3 loss team from the AAC/MWC/etc should get an access bowl bid over an undefeated Marshall team. We could put together a good case for a 1 loss team, but not one with 2 or more losses......I just can't see how.

(11-16-2014 11:30 PM)Cscollis Wrote:  Please don't puff your chest about those teams that have multiple losses going undefeated. It's not easy even playing a terrible schedule. Marshall beat a decent Rice team and has 2 teams left that should have winning records and a conference championship game. Still not the strongest resume but if they don't lose, they deserve the chance. Sad thing is I think Marshall would beat all of the teams you mentioned as being able to go undefeated. Watch them play and you maybe surprised how good they are.

i have watched marshall and was more impressed before i watched them and was just looking at the score..

Marshalls defense is undersized and i have seen them being pushed around by other teams, i watched the fau, fiu and some of the mtsu game ( i tried to watch the rice game but couldnt find it online)

fau and fiu were moving the ball on them with ease and pushing their dline around and both arent very good offenses, also Marshall padded the stats in those games and the games were alot closer than the score. they were able to push marshall around till marshall got a big enough lead, where they were forced to pass "to keep up", and marshall took advantage of that...

and those were FAU and FIU, marshall is gifted in the fact they dont have to play a P5/AAC even MWC Oline and offenses this year.. marshall didnt look that good and played against teams that couldnt exploit them.. look at all of marshalls losses last year they were to power teams luckily for marshall they dont have any legit ones on the schedule and the few power/run teams in c-usa like rice and mtsu were rebuilding in alot of aspects

marshalls reminds me of the team that can blowouts lesser teams with style of play (uptempo scoring), and senior leadership that prevents them from making silly mistakes , but the team that gets exposed versus the better teams...but marshall has no better teams to expose them

and about beating the teams i named, marshall would definitely beat a lot of them, but not all, like i said it depends on the matchup..i think marshall could win probably against the spread teams like ecu, who they are beter suited to compete against, would be curious to see how theyd do versus the run heavy ucf/memphis and some of theose mwc like boise and utah state

(11-17-2014 12:00 AM)oldtiger Wrote:  When you take emotions out of the discussion, I don't think that we can legitimately argue that a 2 or 3 loss team from the AAC/MWC/etc should get an access bowl bid over an undefeated Marshall team. We could put together a good case for a 1 loss team, but not one with 2 or more losses......I just can't see how.

so right now memphis is 10-2 (pretend they didnt lose to houston) with a 7 point loss to ucla and a close loss with ole miss..

youd put marshall who played no one over them?

(11-17-2014 12:00 AM)oldtiger Wrote:  When you take emotions out of the discussion, I don't think that we can legitimately argue that a 2 or 3 loss team from the AAC/MWC/etc should get an access bowl bid over an undefeated Marshall team. We could put together a good case for a 1 loss team, but not one with 2 or more losses......I just can't see how.

Gotta agree.

I think that marshall is gonna get skull drug by someone with a decent defense. reality is gonna punch them in the mouth hard. hard to count them out though.

(11-17-2014 12:00 AM)oldtiger Wrote:  When you take emotions out of the discussion, I don't think that we can legitimately argue that a 2 or 3 loss team from the AAC/MWC/etc should get an access bowl bid over an undefeated Marshall team. We could put together a good case for a 1 loss team, but not one with 2 or more losses......I just can't see how.

How many AAC teams would be undefeated with Marshall's schedule?

Memphis
ECU
Cinci
UCF

AT LEAST!!

(11-16-2014 11:33 PM)Cscollis Wrote:  Oh and i forgot, didn't conference USA go 17-4 against the G5 this year which I believe is the best record.

Don't know about that but I do know this: cusa vs P5: O wins and 20 something losses. MWC vs P5: 4 wins, less losses than you and 3 wins v BYU. Cusa hasn't beaten byu. AAC vs P5: 3 wins. Even Mac and sunbelt have a Win vs a P5 team. Cusa is only league that is winless vs P5 That's pathetic

(11-17-2014 12:09 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 12:00 AM)oldtiger Wrote:  When you take emotions out of the discussion, I don't think that we can legitimately argue that a 2 or 3 loss team from the AAC/MWC/etc should get an access bowl bid over an undefeated Marshall team. We could put together a good case for a 1 loss team, but not one with 2 or more losses......I just can't see how.

so right now memphis is 10-2 (pretend they didnt lose to houston) with a 7 point loss to ucla and a close loss with ole miss..

youd put marshall who played no one over them?

1. I don't believe that anyone cam be totally objective about the program that they graduated from/root for. Emotions run too high with alums and fans.

2. That ain't what happened. We lost to the Cougars, so the discussion is worthless.

(11-16-2014 11:06 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-16-2014 10:51 PM)WEARE Wrote:  Of the G5, there aren't many that would go undefeated. Your resume proves it. You can schedule cupcakes, but you need to actually beat them. If you can do it with a 30 point margin of victory, all the better. Your teams aren't out for losing to Alabama's of the world. It was losing to the UTSA type programs that did it. When the cupcakes cream you, it's hard to argue your really the best.

so houston reprsents the entire AAC and the rest of the g5? using 1 example that happened that 1 time to represent most of the g5 is dumb...and continues to pour with the crazy logic marshall fans have been posting all season...

first off utsa isnt the same utsa that started the season they almost beat a top 25 arizona the next week, they have completely collapsed since

secondly that was 1 scenerio based around 1 team.. before changing qbs...

memphis, cincy, ecu, ucf, nevada, boise, csu, air force, utah state, niu would all be undefeated with that schedule ..i could even make an argument for temple, toledo aswell as houston (your season started off easy if houston had started our season with miami oh, they could have worked out the kinks and still won those games)

and please avoid the dumb logic...thats the equivalant of someone saying how can the c-usa champ be given credit when they are losing to fcs teams.. no need to clarify this statement, i know its flawed , just pointing out how flawed your statement is...

Almost every one of those teams has at least 1 bad loss.

A couple of teams have good arguments (Memphis, CSU, Boise), but that is about it. I think it will end up being a MWC team (CSU or Boise) in the Access Bowl regardless, but don't try to discredit Marshall by thinking half the AAC would go undefeated in CUSA because that is a joke. Losing to teams like #117 Uconn, #100 Tulane, #105 UTSA, etc aren't signs of a team that could hope to go undefeated in CUSA. As far as leagues go, MWC is probably the strongest overall league this year.

If Memphis didn't have the Houston loss they would have had a decent chance to get in.

Quote:so right now memphis is 10-2 (pretend they didnt lose to houston) with a 7 point loss to ucla and a close loss with ole miss..

Massey Football Composite

If Marshall is 13-0, they would have played and beaten "someone". A 9-3 Memphis right now will only have wins over 3 top 100 teams: #50 Cinci, #82 Temple, #86 MTSU (add #74 Houston if they're 10-2). That's 6 sub 100 wins for Memphis.

assuming Marshall wins out, 13-0 Marshall would have wins over: #40 La. Tech, #72 Rice, #85 WKU, #86 MTSU, #87 UAB, #98 Ohio. That's 7 sub 100 wins for Marshall.

You're not being very objective by just assuming the AAC is full of SEC caliber teams and the CUSA is a bunch of scrubs.

(11-17-2014 12:16 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 12:00 AM)oldtiger Wrote:  When you take emotions out of the discussion, I don't think that we can legitimately argue that a 2 or 3 loss team from the AAC/MWC/etc should get an access bowl bid over an undefeated Marshall team. We could put together a good case for a 1 loss team, but not one with 2 or more losses......I just can't see how.

Gotta agree.

I think that marshall is gonna get skull drug by someone with a decent defense. reality is gonna punch them in the mouth hard. hard to count them out though.

I disagree but I respect the views of two honest unbiased old Memphis fans. and who knows maybe a 11-2 Boise gets snubbed in favor of Marshall. A 12-1 and MWC champ Colorado st gets access bid over Marshall by a West Virginia mile though

(11-17-2014 12:30 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 12:00 AM)oldtiger Wrote:  When you take emotions out of the discussion, I don't think that we can legitimately argue that a 2 or 3 loss team from the AAC/MWC/etc should get an access bowl bid over an undefeated Marshall team. We could put together a good case for a 1 loss team, but not one with 2 or more losses......I just can't see how.

How many AAC teams would be undefeated with Marshall's schedule?

Memphis
ECU
Cinci
UCF

AT LEAST!!

UCF lost to #117 Uconn. ECU lost to a 5-5 80+ ranked Temple.

Memphis...decent chance? Cincy? Probably not due to their defense. La Tech vs Cincy would be a really good game.

(11-17-2014 12:39 AM)Shrack Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 12:30 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 12:00 AM)oldtiger Wrote:  When you take emotions out of the discussion, I don't think that we can legitimately argue that a 2 or 3 loss team from the AAC/MWC/etc should get an access bowl bid over an undefeated Marshall team. We could put together a good case for a 1 loss team, but not one with 2 or more losses......I just can't see how.

How many AAC teams would be undefeated with Marshall's schedule?

Memphis
ECU
Cinci
UCF

AT LEAST!!

UCF lost to #117 Uconn. ECU lost to a 5-5 80+ ranked Temple.

Memphis...decent chance? Cincy? Probably not due to their defense. La Tech vs Cincy would be a really good game.

Wow I'm agreeing with bigeasthomer on this?! BEH, not only would ECU, Memphis, UCF and Cinci finish undefeated with Marshall's schedule, but so would BYU, Boise, Colorado st, Air Force and Utah st. That's at least 9 G5 schools that would go undefeated with Marshall's schedule this season

(11-17-2014 12:37 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 12:16 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 12:00 AM)oldtiger Wrote:  When you take emotions out of the discussion, I don't think that we can legitimately argue that a 2 or 3 loss team from the AAC/MWC/etc should get an access bowl bid over an undefeated Marshall team. We could put together a good case for a 1 loss team, but not one with 2 or more losses......I just can't see how.

Gotta agree.

I think that marshall is gonna get skull drug by someone with a decent defense. reality is gonna punch them in the mouth hard. hard to count them out though.

I disagree but I respect the views of two honest unbiased old Memphis fans. and who knows maybe a 11-2 Boise gets snubbed in favor of Marshall. A 12-1 and MWC champ Colorado st gets access bid over Marshall by a West Virginia mile though

I'm 2 of the 3 descriptives that you used that I bolded.

I'm old and I think I'm mostly honest. :)

Just like 100% of the fans on here; I ain't unbiased by a long shot.

(11-17-2014 12:49 AM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 12:37 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 12:16 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 12:00 AM)oldtiger Wrote:  When you take emotions out of the discussion, I don't think that we can legitimately argue that a 2 or 3 loss team from the AAC/MWC/etc should get an access bowl bid over an undefeated Marshall team. We could put together a good case for a 1 loss team, but not one with 2 or more losses......I just can't see how.

Gotta agree.

I think that marshall is gonna get skull drug by someone with a decent defense. reality is gonna punch them in the mouth hard. hard to count them out though.

I disagree but I respect the views of two honest unbiased old Memphis fans. and who knows maybe a 11-2 Boise gets snubbed in favor of Marshall. A 12-1 and MWC champ Colorado st gets access bid over Marshall by a West Virginia mile though

I'm 2 of the 3 descriptives that you used that I bolded.

I'm old and I think I'm mostly honest. :)

Just 100% of the fans on here; I ain't unbiased by a long shot.

Hahaha....I appreciate your honesty and as hard as I try to say I'm unbiased, it's probably not possible when you "got a dog in the hunt" like we all do on here.

(11-17-2014 12:37 AM)Shrack Wrote:  Almost every one of those teams has at least 1 bad loss.

A couple of teams have good arguments (Memphis, CSU, Boise), but that is about it. I think it will end up being a MWC team (CSU or Boise) in the Access Bowl regardless, but don't try to discredit Marshall by thinking half the AAC would go undefeated in CUSA because that is a joke. Losing to teams like #117 Uconn, #100 Tulane, #105 UTSA, etc aren't signs of a team that could hope to go undefeated in CUSA. As far as leagues go, MWC is probably the strongest overall league this year.

If Memphis didn't have the Houston loss they would have had a decent chance to get in.

and who is this team on marshalls schedule thats beating cincy? who is beating ecu?

and uconns defense is better than anyones in c-usa outside arguably la tech/marshall (would look amazing if it wasnt overcompensating for the offense )... i honestly dont see a single team marshall schedule beating ucf

edit: just saw your latest post... you are praising la tech but trying to take credit away from ucf for losing to uconn..you realize la tech lost to a fcs team

Quote:Massey Football Composite

If Marshall is 13-0, they would have played and beaten "someone". A 9-3 Memphis right now will only have wins over 3 top 100 teams: #50 Cinci, #82 Temple, #86 MTSU (add #74 Houston if they're 10-2). That's 6 sub 100 wins for Memphis.

assuming Marshall wins out, 13-0 Marshall would have wins over: #40 La. Tech, #72 Rice, #85 WKU, #86 MTSU, #87 UAB, #98 Ohio. That's 7 sub 100 wins for Marshall.

You're not being very objective by just assuming the AAC is full of SEC caliber teams and the CUSA is a bunch of scrubs.

please STOPPPP with your ridculous computer rankings... its a joke especially in this point in the season

this has been the flaw from your argument from day 1, that someone who actually knows college football would look at a computer ranking as a legitmate quanitifier of a team

that a knowledgabe person could look a a 3-3 south carolina or a 3-3 unc and somehow think its equivalent to the same as a 4-2 akron becuase a computer ranking said so....

i remember the ridiculusly dumb argument you were making that akron would beat most of the AAC just a few weeks ago...

you had intense debates that Marshall would defintely be ranked higher than ecu, just to look foolish in the end of the day.

cincy (who has coaches top 25 votes), temple, and houston will be given more credit than anyone on marshalls schedule, close losses to ole miss and ucla will be given more credit than any marshall win...and you know this....you just want to keep this delusion you have going

(11-17-2014 12:54 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 12:37 AM)Shrack Wrote:  Almost every one of those teams has at least 1 bad loss.

A couple of teams have good arguments (Memphis, CSU, Boise), but that is about it. I think it will end up being a MWC team (CSU or Boise) in the Access Bowl regardless, but don't try to discredit Marshall by thinking half the AAC would go undefeated in CUSA because that is a joke. Losing to teams like #117 Uconn, #100 Tulane, #105 UTSA, etc aren't signs of a team that could hope to go undefeated in CUSA. As far as leagues go, MWC is probably the strongest overall league this year.

If Memphis didn't have the Houston loss they would have had a decent chance to get in.

and who is this team on marshalls schedule thats beating cincy? who is beating ecu?

and uconns defense is better than anyones in c-usa outside arguably la tech/marshall (would look amazing if it wasnt overcompensating for the offense )... i honestly dont see a single team marshall schedule beating ucf

edit: just saw your latest post... you are praising la tech but trying to take credit away from ucf for losing to uconn..you realize la tech lost to a fcs team

Quote:Massey Football Composite

If Marshall is 13-0, they would have played and beaten "someone". A 9-3 Memphis right now will only have wins over 3 top 100 teams: #50 Cinci, #82 Temple, #86 MTSU (add #74 Houston if they're 10-2). That's 6 sub 100 wins for Memphis.

assuming Marshall wins out, 13-0 Marshall would have wins over: #40 La. Tech, #72 Rice, #85 WKU, #86 MTSU, #87 UAB, #98 Ohio. That's 7 sub 100 wins for Marshall.

You're not being very objective by just assuming the AAC is full of SEC caliber teams and the CUSA is a bunch of scrubs.

please STOPPPP with your ridculous computer rankings... its a joke especially in this point in the season

this has been the flaw from your argument from day 1, that someone who actually knows college football would look at a computer ranking as a legitmate quanitifier of a team

that a knowledgabe person could look a a 3-3 south carolina or a 3-3 unc and somehow think its equivalent to the same as a 4-2 akron becuase a computer ranking said so....

i remember the ridiculusly dumb argument you were making that akron would beat most of the AAC just a few weeks ago...

you had intense debates that Marshall would defintely be ranked higher than ecu, just to look foolish in the end of the day.

cincy (who has coaches top 25 votes), temple, and houston will be given more credit than anyone on marshalls schedule, close losses to ole miss and ucla will be given more credit than any marshall win...and you know this....you just want to keep this delusion you have going

I didnt take away credit from UCF. I said UCF wouldn't go undefeated in CUSA...just like La. Tech has a good chance not to (because there are actually some decent to good teams in CUSA, which you don't want to admit). UCF is still a good team and one of the best in the AAC, but it takes consistency to go undefeated...having Uconn's drop nearly 40 points on you isn't consistency. Uconns only other win is over STONY BROOK by 3 points. Uconn just lost to freaking Army. Don't act like there's not a team in CUSA as good as Uconn. Unreal.

Temple is 5-5 with a loss to a 5-5 Navy. Cincy is pretty good. Houston lost to 3-7 Tulane and 3-7 UTSA at home. Not saying these are bad teams, but these are not far and away better teams than Marshall will/has played this year.

What rankings do you use? Using a mass collection of more objective rankings is far better than just resorting to your own bias. You don't want to use rankings because they don't back up your opinion that everyone in CUSA is horrible and would go 0-8 in the AAC. If they said what you wanted, you would be quoting them.

And I'm not arguing for Marshall. I think a MWC team gets in easily at this point.

edit: im gonna dip out of this thread cause I know where this always goes, peace

(11-17-2014 12:32 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(11-16-2014 11:33 PM)Cscollis Wrote:  Oh and i forgot, didn't conference USA go 17-4 against the G5 this year which I believe is the best record.

Don't know about that but I do know this: cusa vs P5: O wins and 20 something losses. MWC vs P5: 4 wins, less losses than you and 3 wins v BYU. Cusa hasn't beaten byu. AAC vs P5: 3 wins. Even Mac and sunbelt have a Win vs a P5 team. Cusa is only league that is winless vs P5 That's pathetic

So CUSA has the best record against its peers but didn't play the bottom feeders in the P5 to get a P5 win. Keep hanging your hat on that. ECU had the win against VT which is the only quality P5 win. Beating Colorado, Wake Forest, Vandy are real accomplishments.

Most CUSA P5 losses are against the SEC West. Tell me how your mighty AAC teams would have faired.

CUSA and MW are tops in G5 with the AAC coming in behind both based on OOC records even with your magical P5 wins.

(11-17-2014 08:59 AM)Cscollis Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 12:32 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(11-16-2014 11:33 PM)Cscollis Wrote:  Oh and i forgot, didn't conference USA go 17-4 against the G5 this year which I believe is the best record.

Don't know about that but I do know this: cusa vs P5: O wins and 20 something losses. MWC vs P5: 4 wins, less losses than you and 3 wins v BYU. Cusa hasn't beaten byu. AAC vs P5: 3 wins. Even Mac and sunbelt have a Win vs a P5 team. Cusa is only league that is winless vs P5 That's pathetic

So CUSA has the best record against its peers but didn't play the bottom feeders in the P5 to get a P5 win. Keep hanging your hat on that. ECU had the win against VT which is the only quality P5 win. Beating Colorado, Wake Forest, Vandy are real accomplishments.

Most CUSA P5 losses are against the SEC West. Tell me how your mighty AAC teams would have faired.

CUSA and MW are tops in G5 with the AAC coming in behind both based on OOC records even with your magical P5 wins.

To use your logic, C-USA should have scheduled a few P5 "bottom feeders" to get quality wins - but they didn't so it's impossible to compare Access Bowl contenders.

IMHO, every G5 school should schedule 2 P5 and 1 FCS school for their OOC games. That way we have a better assessment of who's the best.

well, we'll find out in a month and a half just how good Marshall really is.

I think they can compete with just about anyone except some of the SEC West teams. I'm hoping they don't get paired up with one of them.

This is all assuming they don't drop a game to UAB or La Tech.