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(10-14-2014 01:30 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  
(10-14-2014 12:45 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  You guys lost your center to Ohio State and need your little 6-8, 220lb freshman to man that spot.

Nope. That will be the guy in the middle.

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In the other post you said this freshman was going to replace Lee 07-coffee3
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It's fine to have an opinion but when you post on every thread about how bad Temple is when you have no clue what you are saying that is when you are going to get arguments from me. It seems like you want to bash every other school to prop yours up, just talk about ECU because it is clear you have no clue about Temple.
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UConn is King unti some team knocks off their crown.
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(10-14-2014 01:41 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  
(10-14-2014 01:30 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  
(10-14-2014 12:45 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  You guys lost your center to Ohio State and need your little 6-8, 220lb freshman to man that spot.

Nope. That will be the guy in the middle.

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In the other post you said this freshman was going to replace Lee 07-coffee3

I said Bond, Enechionyia and Dingle will replace Lee. Doesn't have to be one person at one time. Temple often doesn't play a traditional 5, which Anthony's skinny self sure as hell wasn't. Bond will start. Enechionyia will probably be the first or second big off the bench.
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(10-14-2014 01:24 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  
(10-14-2014 01:12 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  I guess we'll revisit this thread down the road, where someone will be eating crow.

03-yawn No need to. This is basketball. Crazy $hit like the 7 seed running to the championship obviously happen in this sport, and you should know. I'm just telling what it looks like on paper in October and you are kidding yourself if you think UConn is this slam dunk favorite to repeat/ or a sure bet contender/ or even a no doubt top 4 seed etc at this point.

Maybe if everything comes together but it could just as easily go the other way and I'd think that's the more likely at this point with so many new pieces. Look at SMU one of their McDonalds AA's did nothing as a freshman if you are counting on Hamilton to be a superstar, and I've seen Purvis in college, hopefully he's got better. Again just look at the previous two years. You had Drummond and Nappier one year and were a 9 seed and would have been bubble the year after if you were eligible. You don't look as sure a bet as SMU to me at this point to be in the top 25, no one does and a 10 type seed could be entirely possible for your team and that's nothing to frown at in a rebuilding year.

Of course you will always have the escape clause of what the definition of "go the other way" is; but from a common sense perspective, if you're saying that UConn is just as likely to fall to NIT status as make the NCAA tourney; I fail to see your logic.
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I can see the top 7 in the NCAA tournament. The rest need to/will improve.

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(10-14-2014 01:29 PM)owlfan2272 Wrote:  
(10-14-2014 01:24 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  
(10-14-2014 01:12 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  I guess we'll revisit this thread down the road, where someone will be eating crow.

03-yawn No need to. This is basketball. Crazy $hit like the 7 seed running to the championship obviously happen in this sport, and you should know. I'm just telling what it looks like on paper in October and you are kidding yourself if you think UConn is this slam dunk favorite to repeat/ or a sure bet contender/ or even top 4 seed etc at this point.

Maybe if everything comes together but it could just as easily go the other way and I'd think that's the more likely at this point with so many new pieces. Look at SMU one of their McDonalds AA's did nothing as a freshman if you are counting on Hamilton to be a superstar, and I've seen Purvis in college, hopefully he's got better. Again just look at the previous two years. You had Drummond and Nappier one year and were a 9 seed and would have been bubble the year after if you were eligible. You don't look as sure a bet as SMU to me at this point, no one does and a 10 type seed could be entirely possible for your team and that's nothing to frown at in a rebuilding year.

On paper = Your opinion.

This is a message board last I checked. Isn't that the point? Every ass hole on here has one and plenty far less educated than mine. I've studied everyones team this summer. Of course that doesn't mean it's going to be right, especially in basketball. Let me just ask you, do you think anyone had UConn winning the title last fall, hell even in March? So what are we even talking about here.



Let's get you guys on the record since you have this huge issue with my thoughts on them. Pick one.

UConn is a...

A. Slam Dunk favorite to repeat.
B. Slam Dunk top 25 team
C. Slam Dunk top 4 seed

Go ahead if you so wildly disagree with my 8+ seed one.

I was actually leaning more towards them being around an 8 seedish for UConn, Memphis being a 10ish one and Cincy and Tulsa being a couple of the last teams in or out (and likely out).

It's basketball one player emerging can completely change a team, many unexpectedly. If your dishing crow everyones going to eat some in basketball from time to time, hell even the Bilas's and Packers that get paid millions for their opinions eat it rating teams from week to week even.
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I wouldn't ever count UConn out to do anything, I seem to remember a lot of people doing so last year and look where that wound up. The simple truth is preseason talk is meaningless but don't trash other schools especially if you haven't watched them religiously because you make a lot of assumptions that just wind up that fanbase, I don't seek out posts to slam ECU or say "Hey ECU is going to finish last they suck" you know that is going to piss off people.
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(10-14-2014 01:42 PM)owlfan2272 Wrote:  It's fine to have an opinion but when you post on every thread about how bad Temple is when you have no clue what you are saying that is when you are going to get arguments from me. It seems like you want to bash every other school to prop yours up, just talk about ECU because it is clear you have no clue about Temple.

I didn't say you were "bad" once. I only disagreed the assessments that you were an NCAA type team and going to be fighting it out with teams like Memphis for top 4 07-coffee3. I think you are likely going to be pretty mediocre.
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(10-14-2014 02:34 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  
(10-14-2014 01:42 PM)owlfan2272 Wrote:  It's fine to have an opinion but when you post on every thread about how bad Temple is when you have no clue what you are saying that is when you are going to get arguments from me. It seems like you want to bash every other school to prop yours up, just talk about ECU because it is clear you have no clue about Temple.

I didn't say you were "bad" once. I only disagreed the assessments that you were an NCAA type team and going to be fighting it out with teams like Memphis for top 4 07-coffee3. I think you are likely going to be pretty mediocre.

That's fine if you think that but I just think you are repeating it to the point where if you say it enough it makes it true. You can post however you want to post I just think once you have stated your opinion it's okay to move on to other topics rather than starting the same debates on different threads with essentially the same words posted.
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(10-14-2014 01:51 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  
(10-14-2014 01:24 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  
(10-14-2014 01:12 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  I guess we'll revisit this thread down the road, where someone will be eating crow.

03-yawn No need to. This is basketball. Crazy $hit like the 7 seed running to the championship obviously happen in this sport, and you should know. I'm just telling what it looks like on paper in October and you are kidding yourself if you think UConn is this slam dunk favorite to repeat/ or a sure bet contender/ or even a no doubt top 4 seed etc at this point.

Maybe if everything comes together but it could just as easily go the other way and I'd think that's the more likely at this point with so many new pieces. Look at SMU one of their McDonalds AA's did nothing as a freshman if you are counting on Hamilton to be a superstar, and I've seen Purvis in college, hopefully he's got better. Again just look at the previous two years. You had Drummond and Nappier one year and were a 9 seed and would have been bubble the year after if you were eligible. You don't look as sure a bet as SMU to me at this point to be in the top 25, no one does and a 10 type seed could be entirely possible for your team and that's nothing to frown at in a rebuilding year.

Of course you will always have the escape clause of what the definition of "go the other way" is; but from a common sense perspective, if you're saying that UConn is just as likely to fall to NIT status as make the NCAA tourney; I fail to see your logic.

Where did I say they were an NIT team? I haven't said that, but if they were it actually would be no less shocking IMO than them being top 5 or back in the final 4.

I picked a group of schools I expect to be around 35-70ish that are some of the last teams to get in the NCAA's at large or first in the NIT's. I actually would UConn and Memphis them at the top of that group if I had to order them. Pretty much exactly what I did in the original post meaning the would likely be one of the NCAA ones.

You were both 7 seeds last year, with senior laden teams that had been together for years. Good grief, is saying they are probably like a 9 or 10 type seed this year in a rebuilding year on paper that controversial. Seriously.
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(10-14-2014 02:42 PM)owlfan2272 Wrote:  
(10-14-2014 02:34 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  
(10-14-2014 01:42 PM)owlfan2272 Wrote:  It's fine to have an opinion but when you post on every thread about how bad Temple is when you have no clue what you are saying that is when you are going to get arguments from me. It seems like you want to bash every other school to prop yours up, just talk about ECU because it is clear you have no clue about Temple.

I didn't say you were "bad" once. I only disagreed the assessments that you were an NCAA type team and going to be fighting it out with teams like Memphis for top 4 07-coffee3. I think you are likely going to be pretty mediocre.

That's fine if you think that but I just think you are repeating it to the point where if you say it enough it makes it true. You can post however you want to post I just think once you have stated your opinion it's okay to move on to other topics rather than starting the same debates on different threads with essentially the same words posted.

and the same Temple tools starting crap on this one about Lance Tejada. I posted my tier ranking with no words or anything, it's tools like you that started stirring and wanting to go deeper so I gave explanation. Reasonable ones as well.
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(10-14-2014 01:24 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  
(10-14-2014 01:12 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  I guess we'll revisit this thread down the road, where someone will be eating crow.

03-yawn No need to. This is basketball. Crazy $hit like the 7 seed running to the championship obviously happen in this sport, and you should know. I'm just telling what it looks like on paper in October and you are kidding yourself if you think UConn is this slam dunk favorite to repeat/ or a sure bet contender/ or even a no doubt top 4 seed etc at this point.

Maybe if everything comes together but it could just as easily go the other way and I'd think that's the more likely at this point with so many new pieces. Look at SMU one of their McDonalds AA's did nothing as a freshman if you are counting on Hamilton to be a superstar, and I've seen Purvis in college, hopefully he's got better. Again just look at the previous two years. You had Drummond and Nappier one year and were a 9 seed and would have been bubble the year after if you were eligible. You don't look as sure a bet as SMU to me at this point to be in the top 25, no one does and a 10 type seed could be entirely possible for your team and that's nothing to frown at in a rebuilding year.

A couple rebuttals: Regarding citing UConn as a 7 seed last year as part of your argument, they were more like a 5 seed heading into the tournament that got screwed. Their RPI was #22 with 3 quality wins (Florida, Cinci twice). Their seeding was the consequence of Louisville being somewhat of a Kryptonite matchup with guards our pressure D couldn't stop at the point of attack and athletic bigs who could clean us up on the glass. That and the pretty damaging WTF loss at Houston.

I would argue that UConn was more like a 3 seed caliber team that performed like a 5 seed in the regular season and got rewarded with a 7 seed. It's pretty clear they were more than their seed last year. Anyone who thinks they just got hot at the right time wasn't paying that close of attention.

Now I agree that a team with unknowns may not gel right, and I think the 2012 UConn team with Lamb, Drummond and Bazz is a reasonable thing to point to. But the main difference between that season and this one is the 2012 team has a Sophomore Shabazz trying to run the offense. College basketball is all about point guard play and UConn's championship seasons have typically had two on the floor. This year Ryan Boatright will be a more than competent replacement for Napier. In Fact as someone who has watched all 6 tournament games about 10 times each this summer I could argue that Boatright was more important than Napier, primarily for his defensive effort and timely baskets.

UConn's real loss by way of skillset will be the three point shot, especially out of the PF position losing Daniels and Giffey. Ollie's tipped his hand early by saying that we will be a much better fast breaking team this year and look to get 10+ ppg's on the break.

This makes sense because Purvis is probably the most dangerous open court player in the country due to his speed and ability to explode to the rim. Brimah run's the court extremely well for someone just short of 7 feet. Boatright is obviously extremely quick and Uconn can legit play 6 deep at the 1-3 spots. To be effective here we have to rebound much better than we did last year but thankfully Kentan Facey (top 100 kid buried behind Giff and Daniels last year) is our most naturally gifted rebounder. His rebounding rate was the highest on the team in limited minutes. We also added a ready made banger out of GA that's off the radar on most recruiting sites named Rakim (Rock) Lubin. He's 6' 8" 265.

The real question mark here is will the increased rebounding ability of this UConn team offset the three point/late offense advantage they had last year by allowing them to get out on the break. I think it will. Facey may not be the shooter that Daniels and Giffey were, but there is some info leaking out of the team that suggests hes shooting the 15 footer with a high degree of confidence, and there's a practice video on youtube that gets some circulation on the boneyard of him hitting 10 consecutive three pointers.

The biggest reason why this UConn team can be expected to perform similarly to last years team is on the defensive side though. As mentioned earlier the light went off for Boatright last year and he really caused problems for Wilbekin, Harrison, etc. in the tournament. With Boatright disrupting team's ability to start their offense where they want and an assumed maturation in Brimah that will decrease his foul rate and allow us to keep our rim protector on the floor for longer than 20 mpg, UConn should be a top 10 defensive team next year.

Don't forget the backfills on this team aren't freshman. Omar Calhoun was an 11ppg scorer as a freshman who had double hip surgery his sophmore year and lost his stroke a bit, he could easily step in as a Junior and be a factor. Purvis is a junior by age at this point with a year in Ollie's system. Sam Cassel Junior is a prep/Juco old man of a player. Has one of the most mature games on the team. He'll be our Kromah this year.

I was one of the lucky few who dropped a few shickles on UConn to win it all this time last year at 50/1. I'm not a gambler, I just saw the value there. Trust me when I tell you that UConn is once again under the radar. How on earth we can be after winning our 4th NC in 16 years is beyond me.
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(10-14-2014 02:46 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  
(10-14-2014 02:42 PM)owlfan2272 Wrote:  
(10-14-2014 02:34 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  
(10-14-2014 01:42 PM)owlfan2272 Wrote:  It's fine to have an opinion but when you post on every thread about how bad Temple is when you have no clue what you are saying that is when you are going to get arguments from me. It seems like you want to bash every other school to prop yours up, just talk about ECU because it is clear you have no clue about Temple.

I didn't say you were "bad" once. I only disagreed the assessments that you were an NCAA type team and going to be fighting it out with teams like Memphis for top 4 07-coffee3. I think you are likely going to be pretty mediocre.

That's fine if you think that but I just think you are repeating it to the point where if you say it enough it makes it true. You can post however you want to post I just think once you have stated your opinion it's okay to move on to other topics rather than starting the same debates on different threads with essentially the same words posted.

and the same Temple tools starting crap on this one about Lance Tejada. I posted my tier ranking with no words or anything, it's tools like you that started stirring and wanting to go deeper so I gave explanation. Reasonable ones as well.

I haven't said a word about Lance Tejada that whole thing is silly if he is or isn't a 4 star whatever. I have only cared about you continuously posting about how Temple and ECU are in the same tier this season which I just don't believe but luckily the season starts soon.
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I don't think SJ is being unreasonable at all. Saying SMU is a lock for the NCAA tournament and then saying several of these other schools will make the NCAA tournament, but probably not all, is completely reasonable.

All the teams he has in tier 2 have NCAA potential, but I doubt ALL of them make it.
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(10-14-2014 02:51 PM)OkaForPrez Wrote:  A couple rebuttals: Regarding citing UConn as a 7 seed last year as part of your argument, they were more like a 5 seed heading into the tournament that got screwed.

This is as far as I got.

Does it even matter? The conference looks worse this year including the teams at the top outside of SMU. Even mediocre teams like Houston look like they could take a step back and the bottom like UCF and USF were already bad and lost players to the NBA summer league or have coaching changes with a rookie head coach on top of losing everyone. How are they really expected to be better?

All this will affect how teams are perceived going into the tourny again this year as well, or if they will even get into the tourny. I'm certainly factoring in the overall feel of the league and how that likely will affect tourny bids and this year and there is a lot of turnover and good players that were lost and it just feels like a down year to anyone actually following this stuff. I'm certainly not the only one that has mentioned this or thought it. I hope I'm wrong but if I'm not you could probably already drop seeds a couple spots if for no other reason than that and how these other team affect your resumes.
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(10-14-2014 02:51 PM)OkaForPrez Wrote:  A couple rebuttals: Regarding citing UConn as a 7 seed last year as part of your argument, they were more like a 5 seed heading into the tournament that got screwed.

This is as far as I got.

Then why do you expect me to read your post?
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(10-14-2014 02:51 PM)OkaForPrez Wrote:  A couple rebuttals: Regarding citing UConn as a 7 seed last year as part of your argument, they were more like a 5 seed heading into the tournament that got screwed.

This is as far as I got.

Then why do you expect me to read your post?

I don't. Read it if you want, it's up to you. That's not to be disrespectful but I'm pretty burnt out on this for today so don't expect a response on the rest was the only point right now.
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I think Uconn and SMU are the favorites. I think UC and Memphis will be tournament teams. I'd be happy if 1 or 2 of Tulsa, Houston and Temple stepped up and was a tournament caliber team as well.
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(10-14-2014 03:20 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  I don't. Read it if you want, it's up to you. That's not to be disrespectful but I'm pretty burnt out on this for today so don't expect a response on the rest was the only point right now.

It's a starting place to suggest that UConn last year was a much better team than their seed suggested and I think that had a lot more to do with the Louisville Matchup woes than anything else. If that Uconn team substituted any other top 25 team for the 3 Louisville games I think they win 1-2 of them and it makes a world of difference. Some teams just have your number.

From there its an exercise to examine the pieces they lost and the pieces they've gained and why I have a high degree of confidence they will continue their success this year.

There may be an element of uncertainty, but I think its far from your position that its more likely they fall back than stay relatively close to what they were last year, which could even receive a better seed with a bolstered OOC schedule which includes Duke and Texas.
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