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(10-12-2014 05:19 PM)ODU True Blue Wrote:  BTW, Blue Ribbon picks us 3rd in CUSA.

3rd? That's absurd. They must not realize that we don't have Ramone Snowden.

(10-12-2014 06:04 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(10-12-2014 05:19 PM)ODU True Blue Wrote:  BTW, Blue Ribbon picks us 3rd in CUSA.

3rd? That's absurd. They must not realize that we don't have Ramone Snowden.

So in other words.....it simply doesn't happen.

Again......I know this is hard for some of you to understand......this ISNT about Snowden.

It's about JJ pissing off boo Williams with some magical silly "our standards are too high" excuse and further digging odu's grave with him.

The precise reason many of us wanted a young hot shot coach to create excitement with young kids and possibly create new inroads with the best players in the area.

We did the exact opposite, and then exacerbated the situation.

(10-12-2014 09:21 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  So in other words.....it simply doesn't happen.

Again......I know this is hard for some of you to understand......this ISNT about Snowden.

It's about JJ pissing off boo Williams with some magical silly "our standards are too high" excuse and further digging odu's grave with him.

The precise reason many of us wanted a young hot shot coach to create excitement with young kids and possibly create new inroads with the best players in the area.

We did the exact opposite, and then exacerbated the situation.

The whole Boo Williams thing is overstated greatly on this board and has been forever. Boo's top kids will always go to high majors until ODU is a top-tier basketball program. If you think Jeff Jones, Dr. Brett Reed, Kevin Keatts or Blaine Taylor is going to out recruit Coach K, Tom Creen or Callipari when it comes to his players then you are delusional.

Also, some of the players that Blaine was derided on this board for signing & playing, namely Nick Wright, Darius James, Dimitri Batten, & Donte Hill, all came from Boo's teams & program.

Jeff Jones has done a hell of a job with this program and has outperformed every reasonable expectation this fan base has had for him thus far (and believe me I was 100% against him becoming the HC). If the biggest complaint you have is that he couldn't close the deal on a kid who averaged 8 pts a game on 43% shooting then he's doing a good job.

Shaka smart is out recruiting high major bcs teams.

But keep thinking it's not possible......and well keep being a mediocre program.

The excuse making for Taylor never being a good recruiter quite literally never stopped until the day he was fired and it's already in full bore for jones.

He just needs more time! Right.

(10-12-2014 10:58 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  Shaka smart is out recruiting high major bcs teams.

But keep thinking it's not possible......and well keep being a mediocre program.

The excuse making for Taylor never being a good recruiter quite literally never stopped until the day he was fired and it's already in full bore for jones.

He just needs more time! Right.

Jones has brought in more talent in the last 18 months then Blaine did in his last 3 years (save for Bacote and Painter)

(10-12-2014 10:58 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  Shaka smart is out recruiting high major bcs teams.

But keep thinking it's not possible......and well keep being a mediocre program.

The excuse making for Taylor never being a good recruiter quite literally never stopped until the day he was fired and it's already in full bore for jones.

He just needs more time! Right.

I am not familiar with the players on VCU's team. Which ones came out of Boo's program?

(10-12-2014 09:21 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  So in other words.....it simply doesn't happen.

Again......I know this is hard for some of you to understand......this ISNT about Snowden.

It's about JJ pissing off boo Williams with some magical silly "our standards are too high" excuse and further digging odu's grave with him.

The precise reason many of us wanted a young hot shot coach to create excitement with young kids and possibly create new inroads with the best players in the area.

We did the exact opposite, and then exacerbated the situation.

Here's the thing, it has happened before. It simply hasn't happened with a local player, so it hasn't been all over the local news. I can tell you that we've had players in just about every sport that qualified per the NCAA and the coaches really wanted, but could not get through the admissions office. We can't pretend to be as selective as W&M or Rice, but I can promise you that we won't take every kid, simply because he has "qualified."

As for the "pissing off Boo Williams" nonsense, there is no doubt that he was disappointed with the way it was handled. He's trying to look out for his kids and thought Snowden wasn't given the entire truth. However, Boo Williams is a grown man who has had a relationship with JJ and our coaches a long time before Ramone Snowden ever played for him and will have a relationship a long time after Snowden's career is done. If he has a player who he thinks would succeed at ODU, he's not going to stonewall the kid over Ramone Snowden.

Lastly, as for getting the young "hotshot" coach, I was on the record as saying that if I was Wood, I probably would have taken a shot at one of those. However, when you compare what JJ did last year with what wonderboy Dr. Brett Reed did with his own guys last year, it's hard to argue with the results.

I never gave a damn who WS hired. If the guy was a bust, WS and everyone else gets fired and we start fresh. Big deal. It happens everywhere and other universities survive. We would, too.

As for Shaka comment, one of the most asinine made here in a while. Why is he out-recruiting BCS schools? Final Four among several NCAA tournament appearances. University that pumps an enormous amount of $ into basketball. Someone in athletics that figured a way to get 31 games on TV this year -- and area where they clearly outstrip us, IMO. They have several tangible things to show recruits that are appealing. I have no idea as to their admissions policy.

Despite this, they recruited Kenny Williams, a 3-star G from their own backyard, for 3 years for what their people told our people. And when UNC came in the last couple of weeks, there was legitimate concern they might lose him. That's what it takes for schools like ODU VCU to get that caliber player -- a concentrated, long-range recruiting campaign. Our guy's been here one year and he's started that 3-year process. If he gets us to NCAAs and does some damage, we get the friggin' practice facility built, I don't have any doubt that we'll start getting some 3-stars-- and I don't care if they're from Suffolk, Norfolk or Timbuktu

Wasn't there 1-2 football players just recently that qualified per NCAA but, we did not allow them to play?

(10-12-2014 10:26 PM)Old Dom Swag Wrote:  The whole Boo Williams thing is overstated greatly on this board and has been forever. Boo's top kids will always go to high majors until ODU is a top-tier basketball program. If you think Jeff Jones, Dr. Brett Reed, Kevin Keatts or Blaine Taylor is going to out recruit Coach K, Tom Creen or Callipari when it comes to his players then you are delusional.

Also, some of the players that Blaine was derided on this board for signing & playing, namely Nick Wright, Darius James, Dimitri Batten, & Donte Hill, all came from Boo's teams & program.

Jeff Jones has done a hell of a job with this program and has outperformed every reasonable expectation this fan base has had for him thus far (and believe me I was 100% against him becoming the HC). If the biggest complaint you have is that he couldn't close the deal on a kid who averaged 8 pts a game on 43% shooting then he's doing a good job.

We have also offered at least 3 of Boo's kids in the 2017 class. We just have to develop a rapport with these kids and hope they see the benefits of staying home. VCU has not beaten out UNC, Duke, etc for kids.

(10-13-2014 09:54 AM)Tbac3 Wrote:  

(10-12-2014 10:26 PM)Old Dom Swag Wrote:  The whole Boo Williams thing is overstated greatly on this board and has been forever. Boo's top kids will always go to high majors until ODU is a top-tier basketball program. If you think Jeff Jones, Dr. Brett Reed, Kevin Keatts or Blaine Taylor is going to out recruit Coach K, Tom Creen or Callipari when it comes to his players then you are delusional.

Also, some of the players that Blaine was derided on this board for signing & playing, namely Nick Wright, Darius James, Dimitri Batten, & Donte Hill, all came from Boo's teams & program.

Jeff Jones has done a hell of a job with this program and has outperformed every reasonable expectation this fan base has had for him thus far (and believe me I was 100% against him becoming the HC). If the biggest complaint you have is that he couldn't close the deal on a kid who averaged 8 pts a game on 43% shooting then he's doing a good job.

We have also offered at least 3 of Boo's kids in the 2017 class. We just have to develop a rapport with these kids and hope they see the benefits of staying home. VCU has not beaten out UNC, Duke, etc for kids.

Just wanted to point out that VCU did beat out UNC for Kenny Williams.

UNC pulled their usual "oh we should recruit good shooters" and came in on Kenny Williams around May. As another poster pointed out, Shaka had been on Kenny Williams for a while. This happens to all programs, recruit a kid for a while - but when the big names come, they usually gain the recruit. UVA has had this happen numerous times, after Duke/UNC enter the battle.

Williams had strong offers from Georgetown and UNC until he verbally committed to VCU. Indiana had offered, but they were not seriously in the mix at the end. Of course his offer sheet including ODU/Cincy/Providence etc...

We currently have two of Boo's players on the team and had a few over the years and we'll get a couple down road.

The staff made a good decision with bringing Boo in to talk hoops, this will only strengthen our ties with the local AAU programs.

(10-13-2014 09:54 AM)Tbac3 Wrote:  

(10-12-2014 10:26 PM)Old Dom Swag Wrote:  The whole Boo Williams thing is overstated greatly on this board and has been forever. Boo's top kids will always go to high majors until ODU is a top-tier basketball program. If you think Jeff Jones, Dr. Brett Reed, Kevin Keatts or Blaine Taylor is going to out recruit Coach K, Tom Creen or Callipari when it comes to his players then you are delusional.

Also, some of the players that Blaine was derided on this board for signing & playing, namely Nick Wright, Darius James, Dimitri Batten, & Donte Hill, all came from Boo's teams & program.

Jeff Jones has done a hell of a job with this program and has outperformed every reasonable expectation this fan base has had for him thus far (and believe me I was 100% against him becoming the HC). If the biggest complaint you have is that he couldn't close the deal on a kid who averaged 8 pts a game on 43% shooting then he's doing a good job.

We have also offered at least 3 of Boo's kids in the 2017 class. We just have to develop a rapport with these kids and hope they see the benefits of staying home. VCU has not beaten out UNC, Duke, etc for kids.

https://northcarolina.rivals.com/barrier...id=1665685

Quote:Roy Williams and his staff had plenty of opportunities to see 2015 SG Kenny Williams in action. The UNC coaching staff spent a lot of time, during open evaluation periods watching his summer team, Boo Williams, in action.

And now, the Tar Heel head coach has stepped up and offered a full scholarship to the 6-3 wing guard from LC Bird High School in Chesterfield County, a suburb of Richmond.

"(Roy Williams) was just talking about visit dates with me," said Williams, "and he hadn't done it officially, so he did."

It's no secret in the Richmond area that the UNC offer is a big one for the long range marksman. He's been hopeful of an offer from the Atlantic Coast Conference power school for quite some time.

When asked how he felt about the UNC offer, Williams describes it simply and effectively, in one word.

"Unbelievable," he said.

http://scouthoops.scout.com/story/142921...r?s=75&p=1

Premium account but Boo is quoted there as saying Kenny's the best shooter he's had in his AAU program other than J.J. Reddick who was a level above.

UNC offered August 3rd, Kenny committed to VCU August 19th. UNC wanted him as a specialist and started on him in May after he tore up the EYBL early from 3 shooting 62% from 3 during the opening weekend of the EYBL in April. VCU had been recruiting him from freshman year and saw him more than a specialist which appealed to him. He also wanted to stay home which was a big consideration. Huge get obviously and it was nice to get one of Boo's starters with several high major offers (UNC, Indiana, Gtown, Memphis, Providence, Cinci etc.).

I don't think it's something to expect regularly at VCU at this point, but it is happening. VCU also beat out dozens of high-major programs who offered like UConn, Arizona, Florida, Villanova, Marquette, Memphis, Maryland etc. for consensus top-50 2014 recruit Terry Larrier.

Shaka Smart is obviously the big draw, but he's making it clear he doesn't want to leave and recruits obviously are drawn to him, so that helps.

(10-13-2014 09:53 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Wasn't there 1-2 football players just recently that qualified per NCAA but, we did not allow them to play?

Isn't that what happened to Jusse York and the other JuCo kid we signed who ended up at Hampton, but didn't play agaisnt us, because he was hurt?

(10-13-2014 11:25 AM)VCUfan Wrote:  

(10-13-2014 09:54 AM)Tbac3 Wrote:  

(10-12-2014 10:26 PM)Old Dom Swag Wrote:  The whole Boo Williams thing is overstated greatly on this board and has been forever. Boo's top kids will always go to high majors until ODU is a top-tier basketball program. If you think Jeff Jones, Dr. Brett Reed, Kevin Keatts or Blaine Taylor is going to out recruit Coach K, Tom Creen or Callipari when it comes to his players then you are delusional.

Also, some of the players that Blaine was derided on this board for signing & playing, namely Nick Wright, Darius James, Dimitri Batten, & Donte Hill, all came from Boo's teams & program.

Jeff Jones has done a hell of a job with this program and has outperformed every reasonable expectation this fan base has had for him thus far (and believe me I was 100% against him becoming the HC). If the biggest complaint you have is that he couldn't close the deal on a kid who averaged 8 pts a game on 43% shooting then he's doing a good job.

We have also offered at least 3 of Boo's kids in the 2017 class. We just have to develop a rapport with these kids and hope they see the benefits of staying home. VCU has not beaten out UNC, Duke, etc for kids.

https://northcarolina.rivals.com/barrier...id=1665685

Quote:Roy Williams and his staff had plenty of opportunities to see 2015 SG Kenny Williams in action. The UNC coaching staff spent a lot of time, during open evaluation periods watching his summer team, Boo Williams, in action.

And now, the Tar Heel head coach has stepped up and offered a full scholarship to the 6-3 wing guard from LC Bird High School in Chesterfield County, a suburb of Richmond.

"(Roy Williams) was just talking about visit dates with me," said Williams, "and he hadn't done it officially, so he did."

It's no secret in the Richmond area that the UNC offer is a big one for the long range marksman. He's been hopeful of an offer from the Atlantic Coast Conference power school for quite some time.

When asked how he felt about the UNC offer, Williams describes it simply and effectively, in one word.

"Unbelievable," he said.

http://scouthoops.scout.com/story/142921...r?s=75&p=1

Premium account but Boo is quoted there as saying Kenny's the best shooter he's had in his AAU program other than J.J. Reddick who was a level above.

UNC offered August 3rd, Kenny committed to VCU August 19th. UNC wanted him as a specialist and started on him in May after he tore up the EYBL early from 3 shooting 62% from 3 during the opening weekend of the EYBL in April. VCU had been recruiting him from freshman year and saw him more than a specialist which appealed to him. He also wanted to stay home which was a big consideration. Huge get obviously and it was nice to get one of Boo's starters with several high major offers (UNC, Indiana, Gtown, Memphis, Providence, Cinci etc.).

I don't think it's something to expect regularly at VCU at this point, but it is happening. VCU also beat out dozens of high-major programs who offered like UConn, Arizona, Florida, Villanova, Marquette, Memphis, Maryland etc. for consensus top-50 2014 recruit Terry Larrier.

Shaka Smart is obviously the big draw, but he's making it clear he doesn't want to leave and recruits obviously are drawn to him, so that helps.

Blah Blah Blah

(10-13-2014 12:11 PM)LuckyLion Wrote:  

(10-13-2014 09:53 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Wasn't there 1-2 football players just recently that qualified per NCAA but, we did not allow them to play?

Isn't that what happened to Jusse York and the other JuCo kid we signed who ended up at Hampton, but didn't play agaisnt us, because he was hurt?

Yep, Justin Gilchrist.

Friggin VCU fans just come out of the woodwork at the slightest mention of their program.

Yeesh.

We could all bury our head in the sand and pretend it is not happening, but face it folks. The flaming artists from Richmond have something rolling that most of us would envy. There will people on this board who will go to their grave singing the praises of whoever our coach is. Good for them.

The outrage of JJ's hiring was not based on the fact that he couldn't get us back to a respectable level or even get us to the tourny. The outrage was and still is (no longer outrage, but the knock on JJ) the fact that we have seen this show before. Inability to land the big recruit will leave us as a one and done more often than not.

Boo is part of the equation. Does it help to have him on your side? of course it does. But You also must have a program kids want to be part of. If you don't have the name like Coach K or play in places such as the Dean Dome, you must have SOMETHING to attract the top level recruits. Having Shaka plastered all over Sportsceneter (even if he has no backbone and lets that thug Webber play this year) or having Spike Lee at your games helps.

Stith and Richardson help tremendously on the recruiting trail but we are fooling ourselves if we think we can compete for top level recruits right now. Just no sizzle coming from our program.