(10-09-2014 04:18 PM)BarsemaBone2 Wrote:  2013: Clawson leaves Bowling Green for Wake Forest
2012: Doeren leaves NIU for NC State
2012: Hazell leaves Kent for Purdue
2011: Beckman leaves Toledo for Illinois
2010: Kill leaves NIU for Minnesota
2010: Golden leaves Temple for Miami
2010: Haywood leaves Miami for Pittsburgh
2009: Jones leaves CMU for Cincinnati
2009: Gill leaves Buffalo for Kansas

Am I missing anyone from the last 5 years? Of these, the only ones who've been somewhat successful are Jones, Golden, and Kill. It's too early to tell on Doeren and Clawson though.

9 recent examples there:
3 too early- Clawson, Doeren, Hazell (he's been there 1 year people!)
3 OK to Good- Jones, Golden, Kill
3 Ick- Beckman, Gill, Haywood

It's not really that bad of recent history...

(10-09-2014 03:45 PM)thehappyhuskie Wrote:  Lol call for Carey's head on Sunday, fear he's going somewhere else by Thursday. Gold. Pure gold.

I'd think he gets a look from any number of schools, esp his alma mater. If he's smart he waits it out another year. I'd think there would be more potentially good options. His biggest ding is his indecisiveness on the QB situation. That can't look good to other programs, no matter how good or bad our QBs are perceived to be.


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No I hope someone takes him..

No way does he get an offer. Does not have the personality that a bigger school is looking for. His aww shucks, I don't pay attention to numbers, is not what a bigger school is looking for IMO. Looking for someone polished who can articulate well.

What has golden done?

(10-09-2014 04:24 PM)BarsemaBone2 Wrote:  The issue with the Beckman hire was he was something around their 5th choice after people like Sumlin turned them down. U of I has to realize that their football team will never be a world beater in the Big Ten and that top coaching talent will never go there, which is why I don't think Narduzzi would ever consider going to U of I, same reason Doeren didn't consider going there or Purdue when he could have. Their best bet may be to hire an established guy who's had success in the lower divisions of college football, ala Kill and Lembo. Someone with a system in place who will recruit players that fit that system instead of trying to get blue chippers U of I will never end up getting, kind of like NIU.

Illinois was getting blue chip recruits under Zook, the problem was he couldn't coach. They put a LOT of guys in the NFL over a 5-6 year period. The 3-9 team from 2009 had like 8 or 9 NFL guys on it. Insane.

I said this in a different thread, but Illinois has the money to make Narduzzi at least seriously consider it. Now, whether or not they'd offer that money to a guy who's never been a head coach, or if it would be enough to get him to leave MSU, I don't know. But from what I've been able to piece together he's near the top of their list and he would at least listen if they called. If he's the guy they want they have to at least make that effort.

(10-09-2014 04:45 PM)oilgasusa Wrote:  No way does he get an offer. Does not have the personality that a bigger school is looking for. His aww shucks, I don't pay attention to numbers, is not what a bigger school is looking for IMO. Looking for someone polished who can articulate well.

You mean like Jerry Kill.

(10-09-2014 04:48 PM)cartershaw Wrote:  What has golden done?

The best you can say is he's stabilized things. I have a good friend who's a "U" football alum (he's the one guy on that 2001 Nat Champ team that won't be fitted with a gold jacket in Canton some day). He really likes Golden and likes the things he sees behind the scenes. However, as I've told him, he is a terrible on-field coach and has been since he was at Temple. The vultures are circling there and even if he survives this year, his seat will be mega-hot going into next year.

He seemed like a bad fit for Miami from the word go. His best accomplishment was convincing Philly/NJ kids to stay home and go to Temple. Miami needs to rope off south Florida, and Al Golden oozes Penn St/East Coast-traditional football. This approach (I believe) won't do a thing to grab the best of the best from there.

Of course, there's a whole other argument regarding whether or not Miami is a top of the line job anymore. The facilities & money in that program is not at the level that other schools are. I wouldn't be so quick to shovel dirt onto the U corpse just yet. They were left for dead once before and became a monster all over again. They have the recruiting base, and as long as that's a fact, they're a sleeping giant. I doubt very seriously, though, that Golden is the guy who can tap that vein.

Just my opinion, but I think he's doomed to fail there.

(10-09-2014 04:48 PM)cartershaw Wrote:  What has golden done?

LOL they keep saying he rebuilt temple...this was done by NEVER beating a MAC team with a winning record.

Carey will get looks at any big ten opening. That doesn't mean he gets the job, but they usually stay in the Midwest sphere.

I've had the discussion with uihuskie and I agree on his assessment of the possibility to get narduzzi, I just don't see him taking that job. Just my opinion.

Also, I know all this Carey aww shucks mentality, which is funny, they must not know much about other coaches around the country. Winning is usually the number one requirement above all else.

Take this for instance, Carey has more power 5 wins than Hazell, Beckman combined. He's probably somewhat close to kevin Wilson's total as well. He's probably a decent fit for the Iowa state job when you look at it.

If Carey wins a MAC title and NIU finishes with 10 wins, his resume is better than a lot of other MAC and mid major jobs that have gotten promotions. Sh*t if he doesn't win the the title and just gets there it's still better than guys getting hired. I'm looking at Beckman, Hazell, Hugh Freeze (I like him, but he was a high school coach, maybe a coordinator at a big school one year and they had a decent arkansas state team)

I love how some people get their opinions on someone and don't look at the national landscape and history on how these things work.

The MAC guy I've seen mentioned a lot with Illinois is Babers. It's really early (I mean, Beckman isn't even fired yet) but it wouldn't surprise me if Babers and Narduzzi were the top 2 candidates there. I tended to believe the UI AD would avoid the MAC since the fanbase has never had any faith in Beckman and generally perceives him as an unmitigated disaster but I think he could sell Babers after what he did at EIU in his 2 years there. He's very highly thought of in that part of the state.

Obviously, that can all change depending on what happens elsewhere and what other options some of these guys have.

(10-09-2014 06:49 PM)UIHuskie Wrote:  The MAC guy I've seen mentioned a lot with Illinois is Babers. It's really early (I mean, Beckman isn't even fired yet) but it wouldn't surprise me if Babers and Narduzzi were the top 2 candidates there. I tended to believe the UI AD would avoid the MAC since the fanbase has never had any faith in Beckman and generally perceives him as an unmitigated disaster but I think he could sell Babers after what he did at EIU in his 2 years there. He's very highly thought of in that part of the state.

Obviously, that can all change depending on what happens elsewhere and what other options some of these guys have.

I understand he's popular and he's got that "flash" people keep bringing up, but Unfortuantely for Illinois fans, he's too similar to the other guys.

Beckman was known as a recruiter as was Zook. The offense has looked better considering Beckman is a defense guy, but if Illinois wants to be better, they need to get better on defense. That's not Babers strong suit. Check any school he's coached.

If I'm Illinois I want Narduzzi (again I think he passes) or someone like him. It's Midwest football, if they want success get better on that side of the ball. I mean Iowa, NW, Minnesota are all so so on offense but they are playing good football because defense.

The big boys of the league MSU, Nebraska, and Ohio state are all strong on that side of the ball.

Babers can't coach defense and his team takes a ton of penalties. I love his offensive style as much as anyone, but he's not an offensive coordinator.

Trust me, I'm wary of any "his teams never play any defense" coaching resume, and Babers fits that bill. That's not to say he couldn't hire a better/more experienced DC and you find a way to make it work, but I'd prefer somebody with more balance.

I haven't given this much thought beyond Narduzzi would be my top choice and then you go from there if/when he turns you down.

BGSU last year had a great D. If I was Babers, I would force to adopt every scheme BGSU had prior with much of the same players and sticking to it.

(10-09-2014 07:09 PM)UIHuskie Wrote:  Trust me, I'm wary of any "his teams never play any defense" coaching resume, and Babers fits that bill. That's not to say he couldn't hire a better/more experienced DC and you find a way to make it work, but I'd prefer somebody with more balance.

I haven't given this much thought beyond Narduzzi would be my top choice and then you go from there if/when he turns you down.

I view Narduzzi as someone who could use the Illinois gig as leverage to get a better job somewhere else like Florida or Miami, kind of like Sumlin is reported to have done.

(10-09-2014 07:12 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  BGSU last year had a great D. If I was Babers, I would force to adopt every scheme BGSU had prior with much of the same players and sticking to it.

I don't think they out schemed a lot of people they just had good experienced players.

Most of them were starters or role players on the 2011 bgsu team that got their ass kicked by NIU. They just matured and got better. This year, it hurt them because they lost their best defensive linemen (2gusy), gates, and in think two good LBs.

It also hurts when you go from a time control offense that didn't really get explosive til the end of the year to a game where you're always on the field.

(10-09-2014 07:13 PM)BarsemaBone2 Wrote:  I view Narduzzi as someone who could use the Illinois gig as leverage to get a better job somewhere else like Florida or Miami, kind of like Sumlin is reported to have done.

That's entirely possible.

(10-09-2014 05:15 PM)cawoo22 Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 04:48 PM)cartershaw Wrote:  What has golden done?

The best you can say is he's stabilized things. I have a good friend who's a "U" football alum (he's the one guy on that 2001 Nat Champ team that won't be fitted with a gold jacket in Canton some day). He really likes Golden and likes the things he sees behind the scenes. However, as I've told him, he is a terrible on-field coach and has been since he was at Temple. The vultures are circling there and even if he survives this year, his seat will be mega-hot going into next year.

He seemed like a bad fit for Miami from the word go. His best accomplishment was convincing Philly/NJ kids to stay home and go to Temple. Miami needs to rope off south Florida, and Al Golden oozes Penn St/East Coast-traditional football. This approach (I believe) won't do a thing to grab the best of the best from there.

Of course, there's a whole other argument regarding whether or not Miami is a top of the line job anymore. The facilities & money in that program is not at the level that other schools are. I wouldn't be so quick to shovel dirt onto the U corpse just yet. They were left for dead once before and became a monster all over again. They have the recruiting base, and as long as that's a fact, they're a sleeping giant. I doubt very seriously, though, that Golden is the guy who can tap that vein.

Just my opinion, but I think he's doomed to fail there.

My daughter is a U grad and season ticket holder. I tried to gently warn her about Golden. But, in my view the fact that Golden is at best an average coach and has been able to bring them back to semi respectability speaks volumes. If they can get a high quality coach, they'll be back.

And, I hated the U. I was a Catholic in the Catholic vs convicts era.

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I think what Golden has done there is kind of stabalize the program. He's not a good coach, but whoever the next guy is will be stepping into a spot that's no longer a mess.

(10-09-2014 07:12 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  BGSU last year had a great D. If I was Babers, I would force to adopt every scheme BGSU had prior with much of the same players and sticking to it.

But that's not what he was hired to do. He was hired to take Matt Johnson and score a zillion points. That his teams were soft defensively (a by-product of the system they run) wasn't considered. People see what they want to see when they look at a coach.

I'm very skeptical of pure spread teams and their ability to win consistently at the P5 level, for just that reason. The defenses get soft because they practice against what is essentially a soft offense all the time (see Michigan under RichRod and Nebraska now). Schools like NIU spread teams out, but it's still a power offense at its core.

Who knows? Maybe BG will end up playinggood enough defense to continue to win, but they've already lost games because they couldn't stop anybody. I find it hard to believe that Matt Johnson would have been able to get them in the end zone any more often than they already are.

Horrible defense almost guarantees you're going to lose games to teams you shouldn't. See where we were in 2011 before that mess got shored up (credit to the players & coaches there who got that job done).

But, Babers scores points, and when your team is total s^*t, I suppose that has its appeal. The fans will say, "at least we'll be good on one side of the ball."