(10-10-2014 10:22 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 09:49 AM)BobL Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 09:00 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Math is in everything.. It's like physics... Every person in all walks of life should have a basic understanding of math.

It always seemed to me that regardless of major one should get a basic understanding math, physics and the arts.

All religions, arts and sciences are branches of the same tree. All these aspirations are directed toward ennobling man's life, lifting it from the sphere of mere physical existence and leading the individual towards freedom.
— Albert Einstein

I disagree to a point.

As an engineering major I had to have one art credit. Which is fine, it didn't kill me.. I don't think I should be made take 9 hours of arts..

An art major should take the general math requirements of college algebra 1 & 2 and be done. They shouldn't have to be made take anything higher than that unless they desire.

I had a buddy get his MFA and he had to take up to Trig I think. I thought that was excessive.

I had to take CALC I to get an undergraduate Finance degree and I think it was a great decision by the school. Even a rudimentary knowledge of CALC helped with advanced derivatives and fin modeling classes.

(10-10-2014 10:22 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 09:49 AM)BobL Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 09:00 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Math is in everything.. It's like physics... Every person in all walks of life should have a basic understanding of math.

It always seemed to me that regardless of major one should get a basic understanding math, physics and the arts.

All religions, arts and sciences are branches of the same tree. All these aspirations are directed toward ennobling man's life, lifting it from the sphere of mere physical existence and leading the individual towards freedom.
— Albert Einstein

I disagree to a point.

As an engineering major I had to have one art credit. Which is fine, it didn't kill me.. I don't think I should be made take 9 hours of arts..

An art major should take the general math requirements of college algebra 1 & 2 and be done. They shouldn't have to be made take anything higher than that unless they desire.

I had a buddy get his MFA and he had to take up to Trig I think. I thought that was excessive.

I guess we would need to define what is high school level and what is college level math. While I took calc in high school (I failed coincidentally) I actually consider that math course college level. Algebra I and II IMO are suitable high school level courses.

But I think the example of your buddy being required to take a math course is few and far in between for most Liberal Arts Undergrad programs.

(10-10-2014 10:36 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 10:22 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 09:49 AM)BobL Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 09:00 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Math is in everything.. It's like physics... Every person in all walks of life should have a basic understanding of math.

It always seemed to me that regardless of major one should get a basic understanding math, physics and the arts.

All religions, arts and sciences are branches of the same tree. All these aspirations are directed toward ennobling man's life, lifting it from the sphere of mere physical existence and leading the individual towards freedom.
— Albert Einstein

I disagree to a point.

As an engineering major I had to have one art credit. Which is fine, it didn't kill me.. I don't think I should be made take 9 hours of arts..

An art major should take the general math requirements of college algebra 1 & 2 and be done. They shouldn't have to be made take anything higher than that unless they desire.

I had a buddy get his MFA and he had to take up to Trig I think. I thought that was excessive.

+1. I had to take 9 hours of humanities, but not art specifically. So in fact I didn't take any art classes. But I had Philosophy, Classical Mythology and one other one I can't think of. That's reasonable I think. Art Majors should have algebra at least, but they don't need much else.

007 is correct, I believe I had to take 9 hours in humanities as well..I took Art appreciation, Jazz appreciation and anthropology.

My bigger point is that to have these requirements is certainly not a bad thing..ideally we expand our knowledge on many subjects and perhaps even get introduced to something new that we learn to appreciate.

Im also an engineer, taking the humanities courses was a nice break from all the math my firs couple of years(helped by GPA as well).

(10-10-2014 10:52 AM)BobL Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 10:36 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 10:22 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 09:49 AM)BobL Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 09:00 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Math is in everything.. It's like physics... Every person in all walks of life should have a basic understanding of math.

It always seemed to me that regardless of major one should get a basic understanding math, physics and the arts.

All religions, arts and sciences are branches of the same tree. All these aspirations are directed toward ennobling man's life, lifting it from the sphere of mere physical existence and leading the individual towards freedom.
— Albert Einstein

I disagree to a point.

As an engineering major I had to have one art credit. Which is fine, it didn't kill me.. I don't think I should be made take 9 hours of arts..

An art major should take the general math requirements of college algebra 1 & 2 and be done. They shouldn't have to be made take anything higher than that unless they desire.

I had a buddy get his MFA and he had to take up to Trig I think. I thought that was excessive.

+1. I had to take 9 hours of humanities, but not art specifically. So in fact I didn't take any art classes. But I had Philosophy, Classical Mythology and one other one I can't think of. That's reasonable I think. Art Majors should have algebra at least, but they don't need much else.

007 is correct, I believe I had to take 9 hours in humanities as well..I took Art appreciation, Jazz appreciation and anthropology.

My bigger point is that to have these requirements is certainly not a bad thing..ideally we expand our knowledge on many subjects and perhaps even get introduced to something new that we learn to appreciate.

Im also an engineer, taking the humanities courses was a nice break from all the math my firs couple of years(helped by GPA as well).

I think back.. I had to take a couple of Lit classes too.

Again, didn't hurt, but I don't see them as more important than the classes you truly need.

One of the things I really wish colleges would institute is a few courses on what you'd experience in the real world besides an internship.

(10-10-2014 11:06 AM)gdunn Wrote:  One of the things I really wish colleges would institute is a few courses on what you'd experience in the real world besides an internship.

Exactly what would that entail?

(10-10-2014 11:31 AM)ODUChm Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 11:06 AM)gdunn Wrote:  One of the things I really wish colleges would institute is a few courses on what you'd experience in the real world besides an internship.

Exactly what would that entail?

My time at USM, we had a few teachers that had spent 10+ years in industry and had to work within a curriculum.. They wanted to show more, but couldn't. Several actually were let go in favor of people with PhDs.

My thought is if you're an engineer, maybe have a class with someone who is actually an engineer or been one for many years and let it be like a special projects class. Have them design and schedule the entire thing for a semester..

I don't know how to put what I envision into words sometimes.

(10-10-2014 10:41 AM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 10:22 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 09:49 AM)BobL Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 09:00 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Math is in everything.. It's like physics... Every person in all walks of life should have a basic understanding of math.

It always seemed to me that regardless of major one should get a basic understanding math, physics and the arts.

All religions, arts and sciences are branches of the same tree. All these aspirations are directed toward ennobling man's life, lifting it from the sphere of mere physical existence and leading the individual towards freedom.
— Albert Einstein

I disagree to a point.

As an engineering major I had to have one art credit. Which is fine, it didn't kill me.. I don't think I should be made take 9 hours of arts..

An art major should take the general math requirements of college algebra 1 & 2 and be done. They shouldn't have to be made take anything higher than that unless they desire.

I had a buddy get his MFA and he had to take up to Trig I think. I thought that was excessive.

I had to take CALC I to get an undergraduate Finance degree and I think it was a great decision by the school. Even a rudimentary knowledge of CALC helped with advanced derivatives and fin modeling classes.

Black-Sholes anyone?

And if you really want to confuse the masses, tell them you need derivatives to price derivatives.

(10-10-2014 11:46 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 10:41 AM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 10:22 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 09:49 AM)BobL Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 09:00 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Math is in everything.. It's like physics... Every person in all walks of life should have a basic understanding of math.

It always seemed to me that regardless of major one should get a basic understanding math, physics and the arts.

All religions, arts and sciences are branches of the same tree. All these aspirations are directed toward ennobling man's life, lifting it from the sphere of mere physical existence and leading the individual towards freedom.
— Albert Einstein

I disagree to a point.

As an engineering major I had to have one art credit. Which is fine, it didn't kill me.. I don't think I should be made take 9 hours of arts..

An art major should take the general math requirements of college algebra 1 & 2 and be done. They shouldn't have to be made take anything higher than that unless they desire.

I had a buddy get his MFA and he had to take up to Trig I think. I thought that was excessive.

I had to take CALC I to get an undergraduate Finance degree and I think it was a great decision by the school. Even a rudimentary knowledge of CALC helped with advanced derivatives and fin modeling classes.

Black-Sholes anyone?

And if you really want to confuse the masses, tell them you need derivatives to price derivatives.

Why are you speaking in tongues?

(10-10-2014 12:22 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 11:46 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 10:41 AM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 10:22 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 09:49 AM)BobL Wrote:  It always seemed to me that regardless of major one should get a basic understanding math, physics and the arts.

All religions, arts and sciences are branches of the same tree. All these aspirations are directed toward ennobling man's life, lifting it from the sphere of mere physical existence and leading the individual towards freedom.
— Albert Einstein

I disagree to a point.

As an engineering major I had to have one art credit. Which is fine, it didn't kill me.. I don't think I should be made take 9 hours of arts..

An art major should take the general math requirements of college algebra 1 & 2 and be done. They shouldn't have to be made take anything higher than that unless they desire.

I had a buddy get his MFA and he had to take up to Trig I think. I thought that was excessive.

I had to take CALC I to get an undergraduate Finance degree and I think it was a great decision by the school. Even a rudimentary knowledge of CALC helped with advanced derivatives and fin modeling classes.

Black-Sholes anyone?

And if you really want to confuse the masses, tell them you need derivatives to price derivatives.

Why are you speaking in tongues?

I don't have any option. Nonetheless, put me down as a yes and give me a call in the future. Unfortunately, there are people who will discount this post.

(10-10-2014 11:42 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 11:31 AM)ODUChm Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 11:06 AM)gdunn Wrote:  One of the things I really wish colleges would institute is a few courses on what you'd experience in the real world besides an internship.

Exactly what would that entail?

My time at USM, we had a few teachers that had spent 10+ years in industry and had to work within a curriculum.. They wanted to show more, but couldn't. Several actually were let go in favor of people with PhDs.

My thought is if you're an engineer, maybe have a class with someone who is actually an engineer or been one for many years and let it be like a special projects class. Have them design and schedule the entire thing for a semester..

I don't know how to put what I envision into words sometimes.

I kind of see what your getting at, not sure if it can be pulled off, but if any field can do it/need it would be engineering. I remember my engineering friends in school joking how they were told on their internships that 90% of what they learn in school is useless from a real world application stand point.

(10-10-2014 11:46 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 10:41 AM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 10:22 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 09:49 AM)BobL Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 09:00 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Math is in everything.. It's like physics... Every person in all walks of life should have a basic understanding of math.

It always seemed to me that regardless of major one should get a basic understanding math, physics and the arts.

All religions, arts and sciences are branches of the same tree. All these aspirations are directed toward ennobling man's life, lifting it from the sphere of mere physical existence and leading the individual towards freedom.
— Albert Einstein

I disagree to a point.

As an engineering major I had to have one art credit. Which is fine, it didn't kill me.. I don't think I should be made take 9 hours of arts..

An art major should take the general math requirements of college algebra 1 & 2 and be done. They shouldn't have to be made take anything higher than that unless they desire.

I had a buddy get his MFA and he had to take up to Trig I think. I thought that was excessive.

I had to take CALC I to get an undergraduate Finance degree and I think it was a great decision by the school. Even a rudimentary knowledge of CALC helped with advanced derivatives and fin modeling classes.

Black-Sholes anyone?

And if you really want to confuse the masses, tell them you need derivatives to price derivatives.

Black-Sholes...Monte Carlo, you name it.

Showing my derivatives work to my non finance major friends was always fun.

(10-10-2014 01:27 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 12:22 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 11:46 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 10:41 AM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 10:22 AM)gdunn Wrote:  I disagree to a point.

As an engineering major I had to have one art credit. Which is fine, it didn't kill me.. I don't think I should be made take 9 hours of arts..

An art major should take the general math requirements of college algebra 1 & 2 and be done. They shouldn't have to be made take anything higher than that unless they desire.

I had a buddy get his MFA and he had to take up to Trig I think. I thought that was excessive.

I had to take CALC I to get an undergraduate Finance degree and I think it was a great decision by the school. Even a rudimentary knowledge of CALC helped with advanced derivatives and fin modeling classes.

Black-Sholes anyone?

And if you really want to confuse the masses, tell them you need derivatives to price derivatives.

Why are you speaking in tongues?

I don't have any option. Nonetheless, put me down as a yes and give me a call in the future. Unfortunately, there are people who will discount this post.

It's a rather striking post, but then again you are pretty volatile. You may have uncovered something though.

(10-10-2014 01:47 PM)ODUChm Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 11:42 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 11:31 AM)ODUChm Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 11:06 AM)gdunn Wrote:  One of the things I really wish colleges would institute is a few courses on what you'd experience in the real world besides an internship.

Exactly what would that entail?

My time at USM, we had a few teachers that had spent 10+ years in industry and had to work within a curriculum.. They wanted to show more, but couldn't. Several actually were let go in favor of people with PhDs.

My thought is if you're an engineer, maybe have a class with someone who is actually an engineer or been one for many years and let it be like a special projects class. Have them design and schedule the entire thing for a semester..

I don't know how to put what I envision into words sometimes.

I kind of see what your getting at, not sure if it can be pulled off, but if any field can do it/need it would be engineering. I remember my engineering friends in school joking how they were told on their internships that 90% of what they learn in school is useless from a real world application stand point.

It's probably unfathomable. I mean internships are great, especially if you can get with a company and do it the entire time you're in school.

But it'd be nice if someone knew their second year of engineering school they strictly wanted to be a designer.. If they could take a few classes and learn how to design in real world situations, not the ones presented or if they wanted to be a PM and they could get geared towards that.

I had to take business calc for my industrial distribution degree. It was a calculus class that was watered down and more geared to the business setting.


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(10-10-2014 01:47 PM)ODUChm Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 11:42 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 11:31 AM)ODUChm Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 11:06 AM)gdunn Wrote:  One of the things I really wish colleges would institute is a few courses on what you'd experience in the real world besides an internship.

Exactly what would that entail?

My time at USM, we had a few teachers that had spent 10+ years in industry and had to work within a curriculum.. They wanted to show more, but couldn't. Several actually were let go in favor of people with PhDs.

My thought is if you're an engineer, maybe have a class with someone who is actually an engineer or been one for many years and let it be like a special projects class. Have them design and schedule the entire thing for a semester..

I don't know how to put what I envision into words sometimes.

I kind of see what your getting at, not sure if it can be pulled off, but if any field can do it/need it would be engineering. I remember my engineering friends in school joking how they were told on their internships that 90% of what they learn in school is useless from a real world application stand point.

I took an engineering specific English @ Memphis that still incorporated the basics of writing, but the subjects were more technical and focused on communicating with non-engineers.

I'd agree with this statement for the most part. Three calculuses and a differential equations course later, the most advanced math I use is Trig...occasionally. I will say that taking more advanced math helped me to better understand and interpret information....like truly knowing the relationship between acceleration and velocity.

I actually think that college is more about learning how to learn. You get a good base of stuff and are exposed to more advanced topics, but you don't really start learning until you start a career.

I had to take an 'arts' class as well...and I was in the band for 3 years.

(I've also heard that music makes people smarter, esp. in math. Anecdotally, I've seen a trend that seems to support that theory)

I had to take a Fine Arts class as an undergrad, so I took Art History. I also had to take two Humanities classes. Both requirements were the same regardless of my degree since it was part of the state of Alabama's core at the time - the only thing I got to avoid was a foreign language, as the requirement was Computer or Foreign Language at the time.

(10-10-2014 03:55 PM)ummechengr Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 01:47 PM)ODUChm Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 11:42 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 11:31 AM)ODUChm Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 11:06 AM)gdunn Wrote:  One of the things I really wish colleges would institute is a few courses on what you'd experience in the real world besides an internship.

Exactly what would that entail?

My time at USM, we had a few teachers that had spent 10+ years in industry and had to work within a curriculum.. They wanted to show more, but couldn't. Several actually were let go in favor of people with PhDs.

My thought is if you're an engineer, maybe have a class with someone who is actually an engineer or been one for many years and let it be like a special projects class. Have them design and schedule the entire thing for a semester..

I don't know how to put what I envision into words sometimes.

I kind of see what your getting at, not sure if it can be pulled off, but if any field can do it/need it would be engineering. I remember my engineering friends in school joking how they were told on their internships that 90% of what they learn in school is useless from a real world application stand point.

I took an engineering specific English @ Memphis that still incorporated the basics of writing, but the subjects were more technical and focused on communicating with non-engineers.

I'd agree with this statement for the most part. Three calculuses and a differential equations course later, the most advanced math I use is Trig...occasionally. I will say that taking more advanced math helped me to better understand and interpret information....like truly knowing the relationship between acceleration and velocity.

I actually think that college is more about learning how to learn. You get a good base of stuff and are exposed to more advanced topics, but you don't really start learning until you start a career.

I also agree with this. After 30 years as a mechanical engineer what I learned in fluids, thermo, heat transfer etc are used everyday though on a macro level. I do believe its important to know the theory behind it all.