Here you go Tigersmoke........

(10-09-2014 08:17 AM)Tigersmoke Wrote:  Sorry guys not trying to derail the thread but I don't know how to start one so if someone wants to start one on this it would be great. Looking at bowl projections does anyone see a possibility of the liberty bowl swapping their big12 team to the cactus bowl if memphis finishes 2nd in the American to go against Tennessee as the sec rep. The liberty bowl has been desperate for memphis to play especially if it's vs tenn of ole ms, Arkansas.

Well I think you can eliminate Ole Miss or Miss St from the Liberty Bowl possibilities unless the wheels fall off. Tennessee is a good chance though I'd say.

I could see a Memphis vs. UT Liberty Bowl.

One word: NO.

AAC has a backup to Liberty bowl, but my understanding of this agreement is that only way AAC is in game is if SEC doesn't fill numerous bowl agreements, like 3 or 4, at which point AAC could theoretically come in and fill Liberty. Chances are slim at best.

The Big12 would never agree to it

(10-09-2014 09:45 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  The Big12 would never agree to it

They don't have to agree to it. The AAC has an official backup agreement with Liberty. If there is a slot (however slim at best), AAC has to be chosen.

(10-09-2014 09:49 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 09:45 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  The Big12 would never agree to it

They don't have to agree to it. The AAC has an official backup agreement with Liberty. If there is a slot (however slim at best), AAC has to be chosen.

Correct. Problem is, IIRC, the LB's slot with the SEC is the #5 to #8 teams, depending on the year. So, out of 14 teams, only 7 SEC teams could qualify for bowls, to get the AAC in, and even then, it would have to coincide with a year in which the LB gets the #8 SEC slot, as opposed to #5-7.

I guess lightning could strike, but I'd say it is almost impossible.

(10-09-2014 09:49 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 09:45 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  The Big12 would never agree to it

They don't have to agree to it. The AAC has an official backup agreement with Liberty. If there is a slot (however slim at best), AAC has to be chosen.

I think he means they would never agree to the OP's proposal, where the B12 willingly gives up their spot in the Liberty Bowl so that Memphis can play Tennessee.

(10-09-2014 09:21 AM)oldtiger Wrote:  Here you go Tigersmoke........

(10-09-2014 08:17 AM)Tigersmoke Wrote:  Sorry guys not trying to derail the thread but I don't know how to start one so if someone wants to start one on this it would be great. Looking at bowl projections does anyone see a possibility of the liberty bowl swapping their big12 team to the cactus bowl if memphis finishes 2nd in the American to go against Tennessee as the sec rep. The liberty bowl has been desperate for memphis to play especially if it's vs tenn of ole ms, Arkansas.

No, the Liberty Bowl would've never let the Big 12 take the AAC's spot in the first place if they were going to then turn around and "swap". Even if they did, I believe the Cactus Bowl pits PAC #7 vs Big 12 with the MWC as a backup so if the Liberty replaced the Big 12 for the AAC, the Cactus would be stuck with two Big 12 teams.

Isn't this kinda like last year where ECU fans were saying the American should give them the Belk Bowl?

The answer to your question is simple: The only one who has anything to gain in this, unfortunately, would be Memphis and it's fans. That right there means it won't happen.

Part of the issue is the logic of the OP, which clings to the idea that the Liberty Bowl somehow has an allegiance (the phrase the OP used is "The liberty bowl has been desperate for Memphis to play") to [The University of] Memphis. We pretty much debunked that idea when the Liberty Bowl ditched the AAC in it's contract renegotiation. The Liberty Bowl has no allegiance with UM. It just doesn't.

(10-09-2014 11:01 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Part of the issue is the logic of the OP, which clings to the idea that the Liberty Bowl somehow has an allegiance (the phrase the OP used is "The liberty bowl has been desperate for Memphis to play") to [The University of] Memphis. We pretty much debunked that idea when the Liberty Bowl ditched the AAC in it's contract renegotiation. The Liberty Bowl has no allegiance with UM. It just doesn't.

Actually, it does. I have talked to people who regularly interact with Steve Ehrhart, Exec. Director of the Liberty Bowl. The Liberty Bowl followed Memphis' conference around for decades. They were planning to follow Memphis to the Big East/AAC.

But they are still a business, and a guaranteed B12/SEC matchup, with teams fairly high on the pick list for both conferences, was too much to pass up.

But the LB would still be amenable to a Memphis appearance, if the circumstances dictated such. Unfortunately, it's a mathematical long shot, unless some horse trading occurs,which remains to be seen.

(10-09-2014 10:13 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 09:49 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 09:45 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  The Big12 would never agree to it

They don't have to agree to it. The AAC has an official backup agreement with Liberty. If there is a slot (however slim at best), AAC has to be chosen.

Correct. Problem is, IIRC, the LB's slot with the SEC is the #5 to #8 teams, depending on the year. So, out of 14 teams, only 7 SEC teams could qualify for bowls, to get the AAC in, and even then, it would have to coincide with a year in which the LB gets the #8 SEC slot, as opposed to #5-7.

I guess lightning could strike, but I'd say it is almost impossible.

Actually the LB is the SEC #4-9 selection. It could happen where the LB needs a team. Here's how.

SEC Bowl team 1 and 2 get into CFP
Bowl team 3 goes to Sugar Bowl as part of tie in
Bowl team 4 goes to Orange as part of tie in
Bowl team 5 goes to Capital one bowl as part of tie in

Now you have 6 co equal bowls next in Line: Liberty, Belk, Music City, Outback, Gator and Texas. This doesn't include the Birmingham and Independence bowls. 11 teams are needed to fill all the bowls. 13 if you include B'ham and Indy.

If the SEC in this particular year only has 9 bowl eligible teams, guess what...2 out of the 6 bowls in the bowl pool above don't get filled. AAC team in LB. Even if the SEC doesn't send a team to Orange in this scenario (B10 takes slot), 1 spot is still needed in 6 bowl pool and in theory, AAC takes LB slot.

Is it likely, no. But possible in theory.

(10-09-2014 12:40 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Actually the LB is the SEC #4-9 selection. It could happen where the LB needs a team. Here's how.

SEC Bowl team 1 and 2 get into CFP
Bowl team 3 goes to Sugar Bowl as part of tie in
Bowl team 4 goes to Orange as part of tie in
Bowl team 5 goes to Capital one bowl as part of tie in

Now you have 6 co equal bowls next in Line: Liberty, Belk, Music City, Outback, Gator and Texas. This doesn't include the Birmingham and Independence bowls. 11 teams are needed to fill all the bowls. 13 if you include B'ham and Indy.

If the SEC in this particular year only has 9 bowl eligible teams, guess what...2 out of the 6 bowls in the bowl pool above don't get filled. AAC team in LB. Even if the SEC doesn't send a team to Orange in this scenario (B10 takes slot), 1 spot is still needed in 6 bowl pool and in theory, AAC takes LB slot.

Is it likely, no. But possible in theory.

The Sugar Bowl is the CFP this year.

The SEC lineup is this:

CFP (at least one team in the semis or in an access bowl) and Sugar Bowl if not a semifinal
Orange Bowl (potential)
Cap One Bowl
Pool of: Outback, Gator, Belk, Music City, Liberty, Texas (but Liberty get better team than Texas IF SEC can fill all these slots)
Birmingham
Independence

(10-09-2014 10:59 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  Isn't this kinda like last year where ECU fans were saying the American should give them the Belk Bowl?

The answer to your question is simple: The only one who has anything to gain in this, unfortunately, would be Memphis and it's fans. That right there means it won't happen.

And how much of a boost would the city get in hotels booked and what not? Not much.

Yes they would sell tickets, but not much else.

(10-09-2014 12:53 PM)PGPirate Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 10:59 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  Isn't this kinda like last year where ECU fans were saying the American should give them the Belk Bowl?

The answer to your question is simple: The only one who has anything to gain in this, unfortunately, would be Memphis and it's fans. That right there means it won't happen.

And how much of a boost would the city get in hotels booked and what not? Not much.

Yes they would sell tickets, but not much else.

The folks who own the bowl game don't care about hotel rooms. They care about selling tickets.

(10-09-2014 12:54 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 12:53 PM)PGPirate Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 10:59 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  Isn't this kinda like last year where ECU fans were saying the American should give them the Belk Bowl?

The answer to your question is simple: The only one who has anything to gain in this, unfortunately, would be Memphis and it's fans. That right there means it won't happen.

And how much of a boost would the city get in hotels booked and what not? Not much.

Yes they would sell tickets, but not much else.

The folks who own the bowl game don't care about hotel rooms. They care about selling tickets.

Probably. The guys who run Florida Citrus Sports care more about hotel rooms than tickets. Us Orlando folk can get skewed by that.

(10-09-2014 12:59 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 12:54 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 12:53 PM)PGPirate Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 10:59 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  Isn't this kinda like last year where ECU fans were saying the American should give them the Belk Bowl?

The answer to your question is simple: The only one who has anything to gain in this, unfortunately, would be Memphis and it's fans. That right there means it won't happen.

And how much of a boost would the city get in hotels booked and what not? Not much.

Yes they would sell tickets, but not much else.

The folks who own the bowl game don't care about hotel rooms. They care about selling tickets.

Probably. The guys who run Florida Citrus Sports care more about hotel rooms than tickets. Us Orlando folk can get skewed by that.

Each bowl is different, but the folks who own the Liberty Bowl make their money off of the TV contract and ticket sales. They don't make a dime off of hotel revenue.

The Liberty Bowl bowl game is a for profit venture and has been its entire existence.

(10-09-2014 09:49 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 09:45 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  The Big12 would never agree to it

They don't have to agree to it. The AAC has an official backup agreement with Liberty. If there is a slot (however slim at best), AAC has to be chosen.

Yes they do......You better check again.. the Big12 has a contract with the Liberty bowl and they are not likely going to agree to give it up.

(10-09-2014 10:38 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 09:21 AM)oldtiger Wrote:  Here you go Tigersmoke........

(10-09-2014 08:17 AM)Tigersmoke Wrote:  Sorry guys not trying to derail the thread but I don't know how to start one so if someone wants to start one on this it would be great. Looking at bowl projections does anyone see a possibility of the liberty bowl swapping their big12 team to the cactus bowl if memphis finishes 2nd in the American to go against Tennessee as the sec rep. The liberty bowl has been desperate for memphis to play especially if it's vs tenn of ole ms, Arkansas.

No, the Liberty Bowl would've never let the Big 12 take the AAC's spot in the first place if they were going to then turn around and "swap". Even if they did, I believe the Cactus Bowl pits PAC #7 vs Big 12 with the MWC as a backup so if the Liberty replaced the Big 12 for the AAC, the Cactus would be stuck with two Big 12 teams.

The Big12 has a contract with the Liberty bowl...they are not going to replace anybody and they are not likely to give it up.