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RE: Liberty Bowl
(10-09-2014 10:13 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
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(10-09-2014 09:45 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  The Big12 would never agree to it

They don't have to agree to it. The AAC has an official backup agreement with Liberty. If there is a slot (however slim at best), AAC has to be chosen.

Correct. Problem is, IIRC, the LB's slot with the SEC is the #5 to #8 teams, depending on the year. So, out of 14 teams, only 7 SEC teams could qualify for bowls, to get the AAC in, and even then, it would have to coincide with a year in which the LB gets the #8 SEC slot, as opposed to #5-7.

I guess lightning could strike, but I'd say it is almost impossible.

For the third time ....not correct.... they do have to agree to it..... Please read my other posts. Maybe you are out of the loop here. The OP said the Big12 could move to the cactus bowl.....I said they would not agree to it.
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Doubtful anybody from AAC ends up in the LB. I'm sure Grey Avenger could expand on this for us. 04-coffee

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RE: Liberty Bowl
(10-09-2014 12:53 PM)PGPirate Wrote:  
(10-09-2014 10:59 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  Isn't this kinda like last year where ECU fans were saying the American should give them the Belk Bowl?

The answer to your question is simple: The only one who has anything to gain in this, unfortunately, would be Memphis and it's fans. That right there means it won't happen.

And how much of a boost would the city get in hotels booked and what not? Not much.

Yes they would sell tickets, but not much else.


The profit they would make from beer sales alone from a sold out stadium would offset hotels. (The beer is expensive)
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RE: Liberty Bowl
(10-09-2014 12:51 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  
(10-09-2014 12:40 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Actually the LB is the SEC #4-9 selection. It could happen where the LB needs a team. Here's how.

SEC Bowl team 1 and 2 get into CFP
Bowl team 3 goes to Sugar Bowl as part of tie in
Bowl team 4 goes to Orange as part of tie in
Bowl team 5 goes to Capital one bowl as part of tie in

Now you have 6 co equal bowls next in Line: Liberty, Belk, Music City, Outback, Gator and Texas. This doesn't include the Birmingham and Independence bowls. 11 teams are needed to fill all the bowls. 13 if you include B'ham and Indy.

If the SEC in this particular year only has 9 bowl eligible teams, guess what...2 out of the 6 bowls in the bowl pool above don't get filled. AAC team in LB. Even if the SEC doesn't send a team to Orange in this scenario (B10 takes slot), 1 spot is still needed in 6 bowl pool and in theory, AAC takes LB slot.

Is it likely, no. But possible in theory.

The Sugar Bowl is the CFP this year.

The SEC lineup is this:

CFP (at least one team in the semis or in an access bowl) and Sugar Bowl if not a semifinal
Orange Bowl (potential)
Cap One Bowl
Pool of: (but Liberty get better team than Texas IF SEC can fill all these slots)
Birmingham
Independence

Yes, I was thinking more along the lines of a year where the CFP is not in Sugar Bowl. Such a year could go like this. Let's say the SEC has 9 bowl eligible teams

SEC #1 team: CFP Semi final
SEC # 2: CFP semi final
SEC 3: Sugar
SEC 4: Capital One (if selected for Orange here, it would push the others down a notch).

The next tier of bowls are co equals, but for the purposes of this thread, I will list them out so you can see how it would work.

SEC 5: Oubtack
SEC 6: Gator
SEC 7: Belk
SEC 8 Music City
SEC 9: Texas
SEC Bowl #10 AAC in Liberty due to not enough teams to fill the 6 bowl pool.

Birmingham and Independence go unfilled by SEC also.

If the SEC can't fill their 6 bowl pool, AAC could be in Liberty. Is it likely, probably not, but at least it's possible.
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RE: Liberty Bowl
(10-09-2014 02:05 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(10-09-2014 10:13 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
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(10-09-2014 09:45 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  The Big12 would never agree to it

They don't have to agree to it. The AAC has an official backup agreement with Liberty. If there is a slot (however slim at best), AAC has to be chosen.

Correct. Problem is, IIRC, the LB's slot with the SEC is the #5 to #8 teams, depending on the year. So, out of 14 teams, only 7 SEC teams could qualify for bowls, to get the AAC in, and even then, it would have to coincide with a year in which the LB gets the #8 SEC slot, as opposed to #5-7.

I guess lightning could strike, but I'd say it is almost impossible.

For the third time ....not correct.... they do have to agree to it..... Please read my other posts. Maybe you are out of the loop here. The OP said the Big12 could move to the cactus bowl.....I said they would not agree to it.

Dude, calm down. You might be the one out of the loop. Nobody is arguing with you about the fact that the B12 is sending a team to the Liberty Bowl, or that they would voluntarily give up their slot.

What people are trying to tell you is the the AAC has a written contract to be the backup to the SEC, if the SEC can't send a team to the Liberty Bowl.

THAT is the way the AAC might get into the Liberty Bowl, to answer the OP, not the route that he suggested, or that you are railing about.
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(10-09-2014 12:51 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  
(10-09-2014 12:40 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Actually the LB is the SEC #4-9 selection. It could happen where the LB needs a team. Here's how.

SEC Bowl team 1 and 2 get into CFP
Bowl team 3 goes to Sugar Bowl as part of tie in
Bowl team 4 goes to Orange as part of tie in
Bowl team 5 goes to Capital one bowl as part of tie in

Now you have 6 co equal bowls next in Line: Liberty, Belk, Music City, Outback, Gator and Texas. This doesn't include the Birmingham and Independence bowls. 11 teams are needed to fill all the bowls. 13 if you include B'ham and Indy.

If the SEC in this particular year only has 9 bowl eligible teams, guess what...2 out of the 6 bowls in the bowl pool above don't get filled. AAC team in LB. Even if the SEC doesn't send a team to Orange in this scenario (B10 takes slot), 1 spot is still needed in 6 bowl pool and in theory, AAC takes LB slot.

Is it likely, no. But possible in theory.

The Sugar Bowl is the CFP this year.

The SEC lineup is this:

CFP (at least one team in the semis or in an access bowl) and Sugar Bowl if not a semifinal
Orange Bowl (potential)
Cap One Bowl
Pool of: Outback, Gator, Belk, Music City, Liberty, Texas (but Liberty get better team than Texas IF SEC can fill all these slots)
Birmingham
Independence

Right. Odds lie somewhere between what I said and what he said.
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RE: Liberty Bowl
(10-09-2014 03:22 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(10-09-2014 02:05 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(10-09-2014 10:13 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
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(10-09-2014 09:45 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  The Big12 would never agree to it

They don't have to agree to it. The AAC has an official backup agreement with Liberty. If there is a slot (however slim at best), AAC has to be chosen.

Correct. Problem is, IIRC, the LB's slot with the SEC is the #5 to #8 teams, depending on the year. So, out of 14 teams, only 7 SEC teams could qualify for bowls, to get the AAC in, and even then, it would have to coincide with a year in which the LB gets the #8 SEC slot, as opposed to #5-7.

I guess lightning could strike, but I'd say it is almost impossible.

For the third time ....not correct.... they do have to agree to it..... Please read my other posts. Maybe you are out of the loop here. The OP said the Big12 could move to the cactus bowl.....I said they would not agree to it.

Dude, calm down. You might be the one out of the loop. Nobody is arguing with you about the fact that the B12 is sending a team to the Liberty Bowl, or that they would voluntarily give up their slot.

What people are trying to tell you is the the AAC has a written contract to be the backup to the SEC, if the SEC can't send a team to the Liberty Bowl.

THAT is the way the AAC might get into the Liberty Bowl, to answer the OP, not the route that he suggested, or that you are railing about.

Dude yourself....Yes they are . They obviously misread my post thinking I was replying to the another poster other then the OP and evidently you did to.

I am fully aware aware that the AAC has a contract to be the backup to the SEC. That was not the issue in any of my post. MechaKnight clarified my original post, but it seems no one paid attention. .
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No, I thought you said, "I'm alright, Spider."
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Amazing how sensitive some folks can get around here.

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RE: Liberty Bowl
(10-09-2014 04:17 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(10-09-2014 03:22 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(10-09-2014 02:05 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(10-09-2014 10:13 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(10-09-2014 09:49 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  They don't have to agree to it. The AAC has an official backup agreement with Liberty. If there is a slot (however slim at best), AAC has to be chosen.

Correct. Problem is, IIRC, the LB's slot with the SEC is the #5 to #8 teams, depending on the year. So, out of 14 teams, only 7 SEC teams could qualify for bowls, to get the AAC in, and even then, it would have to coincide with a year in which the LB gets the #8 SEC slot, as opposed to #5-7.

I guess lightning could strike, but I'd say it is almost impossible.

For the third time ....not correct.... they do have to agree to it..... Please read my other posts. Maybe you are out of the loop here. The OP said the Big12 could move to the cactus bowl.....I said they would not agree to it.

Dude, calm down. You might be the one out of the loop. Nobody is arguing with you about the fact that the B12 is sending a team to the Liberty Bowl, or that they would voluntarily give up their slot.

What people are trying to tell you is the the AAC has a written contract to be the backup to the SEC, if the SEC can't send a team to the Liberty Bowl.

THAT is the way the AAC might get into the Liberty Bowl, to answer the OP, not the route that he suggested, or that you are railing about.

Dude yourself....Yes they are . They obviously misread my post thinking I was replying to the another poster other then the OP and evidently you did to.

I am fully aware aware that the AAC has a contract to be the backup to the SEC. That was not the issue in any of my post. MechaKnight clarified my original post, but it seems no one paid attention. .

Your post was confusing because you keep answering as if the b12 would have to agree with the lb taking Memphis. The b12 would have no say in that.
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RE: Liberty Bowl
(Not that I remember everything but-) Wasn't there an agreement when part of C-USA that some schools wouldn't play each other in the Liberty Bowl? For example- Southern Miss couldn't play Ole Miss or Mississippi State. Memphis couldn't play Tennessee. UAB couldn't play Alabama or Auburn.
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(10-09-2014 05:19 PM)chess Wrote:  (Not that I remember everything but-) Wasn't there an agreement when part of C-USA that some schools wouldn't play each other in the Liberty Bowl? For example- Southern Miss couldn't play Ole Miss or Mississippi State. Memphis couldn't play Tennessee. UAB couldn't play Alabama or Auburn.

Yes. And it hit southern miss on that last great year of theirs.

In this case I don't believe any of that exists, as we are backing up the sec. We don't really have any geography overlap with the b12 except for Texas.
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RE: Liberty Bowl
(10-09-2014 05:30 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(10-09-2014 05:19 PM)chess Wrote:  (Not that I remember everything but-) Wasn't there an agreement when part of C-USA that some schools wouldn't play each other in the Liberty Bowl? For example- Southern Miss couldn't play Ole Miss or Mississippi State. Memphis couldn't play Tennessee. UAB couldn't play Alabama or Auburn.

Yes. And it hit southern miss on that last great year of theirs.

In this case I don't believe any of that exists, as we are backing up the sec. We don't really have any geography overlap with the b12 except for Texas.

Cincinnati played Vanderbilt the last time Southern Miss was good.
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(10-09-2014 11:09 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  
(10-09-2014 05:30 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(10-09-2014 05:19 PM)chess Wrote:  (Not that I remember everything but-) Wasn't there an agreement when part of C-USA that some schools wouldn't play each other in the Liberty Bowl? For example- Southern Miss couldn't play Ole Miss or Mississippi State. Memphis couldn't play Tennessee. UAB couldn't play Alabama or Auburn.

Yes. And it hit southern miss on that last great year of theirs.

In this case I don't believe any of that exists, as we are backing up the sec. We don't really have any geography overlap with the b12 except for Texas.

Cincinnati played Vanderbilt the last time Southern Miss was good.

I could have sworn southern miss got shipped out to Hawaii because of some sec rule about the liberty bowl.
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(10-09-2014 04:44 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Amazing how sensitive some folks can get around here.

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RE: Liberty Bowl
I mean right now most projections have the SEC getting 3 teams into the Big 6 bowls (CFP). So then you have the Citrus Bowl next in line. So if they are only able to get 9 teams eligible one of the 6 bowls (Music, Belk, Liberty, Texas, Gator, Outback) that share the next selection will be left out. I honestly don't know how the SEC will decide which bowl gets left out. I would imagine a bowl can only be left out once given it is a 6 year cycle.

So I think there is a shot. I mean they only had 9 teams eligible two years ago and got lucky to have 10 last year with Mississippi State beating Ole Miss to end the season and get in.
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(10-10-2014 08:33 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(10-09-2014 11:09 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  
(10-09-2014 05:30 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(10-09-2014 05:19 PM)chess Wrote:  (Not that I remember everything but-) Wasn't there an agreement when part of C-USA that some schools wouldn't play each other in the Liberty Bowl? For example- Southern Miss couldn't play Ole Miss or Mississippi State. Memphis couldn't play Tennessee. UAB couldn't play Alabama or Auburn.

Yes. And it hit southern miss on that last great year of theirs.

In this case I don't believe any of that exists, as we are backing up the sec. We don't really have any geography overlap with the b12 except for Texas.

Cincinnati played Vanderbilt the last time Southern Miss was good.

I could have sworn southern miss got shipped out to Hawaii because of some sec rule about the liberty bowl.

There was a SEC rule about the Liberty Bowl in 2011 but it wasn't anything to do specifically with Southern Miss. In a nutshell the agreement was:
If the SEC had 8 teams bowl eligible the Liberty Bowl would be Big East 5 vs. CUSA champ.
If the SEC had 10 teams bowl eligible the Liberty Bowl would be SEC 9 vs. CUSA Champ and the B'ham Bowl would be Big East 5 vs. SEC 10.
If the SEC had 9 teams bowl eligible (which it did that year) it would be SEC 9 vs Big East 5 and CUSA would take the SEC's place in the B'Ham bowl.

I had a touch of insomnia last night and went back through the CUSA Board archives to check to see if I remembered the particulars correctly. Needless to say they weren't happy. What is strange is that Southern Miss had the option to take any bowl they wanted and picked the Hawaii Bowl over the Heart of Dallas Bowl against #24 Pen State.
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(10-10-2014 08:33 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(10-09-2014 11:09 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  
(10-09-2014 05:30 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(10-09-2014 05:19 PM)chess Wrote:  (Not that I remember everything but-) Wasn't there an agreement when part of C-USA that some schools wouldn't play each other in the Liberty Bowl? For example- Southern Miss couldn't play Ole Miss or Mississippi State. Memphis couldn't play Tennessee. UAB couldn't play Alabama or Auburn.

Yes. And it hit southern miss on that last great year of theirs.

In this case I don't believe any of that exists, as we are backing up the sec. We don't really have any geography overlap with the b12 except for Texas.

Cincinnati played Vanderbilt the last time Southern Miss was good.

I could have sworn southern miss got shipped out to Hawaii because of some sec rule about the liberty bowl.

The "thought" at the time was Fedorable wanted to go to Hawaii. Which was right before he left the team.
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(10-10-2014 09:50 AM)PT_american Wrote:  I mean right now most projections have the SEC getting 3 teams into the Big 6 bowls (CFP). So then you have the Citrus Bowl next in line. So if they are only able to get 9 teams eligible one of the 6 bowls (Music, Belk, Liberty, Texas, Gator, Outback) that share the next selection will be left out. I honestly don't know how the SEC will decide which bowl gets left out. I would imagine a bowl can only be left out once given it is a 6 year cycle.

So I think there is a shot. I mean they only had 9 teams eligible two years ago and got lucky to have 10 last year with Mississippi State beating Ole Miss to end the season and get in.

If SEC can't fill their 6 bowl pool is our in to the Liberty Bowl, IMO. The others would be filled by SEC and LB filled by AAC. The reason I say this is because the LB is the only one that has a backup agreement. The others don't. If this happens, our champ or #1 selection after CFP bowls would go here, according to Aresco in an interview about a month ago. He specifically said our champ could go to LB in an interview.
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