(10-07-2014 02:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And the idiotic statements just keep coming.

Why not try to actually articulate a position instead of your typical flame...or just post this tripe in the WWE room? Thanks.

That being said, if this truly did happen, the superintendent was wrong. And by the way, I went to public school for my whole life. I never once saw the superintendent in school during the school day.

I have my doubts that all the student did was just bow her head. That would draw the attention of basically no one. My daughter prays daily in school.

I did. Often.

(10-08-2014 01:03 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 02:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And the idiotic statements just keep coming.

Why not try to actually articulate a position instead of your typical flame...or just post this tripe in the WWE room? Thanks.

That being said, if this truly did happen, the superintendent was wrong. And by the way, I went to public school for my whole life. I never once saw the superintendent in school during the school day.

I have my doubts that all the student did was just bow her head. That would draw the attention of basically no one. My daughter prays daily in school.

I did. Often.

I'd also like to know how many students actually know who their superintendent even is!

But maybe things have changed. I graduated back in 1984. Back then superintendents rarely left the admin building during school hours. Plus, my district had a high school, a junior high, and 5 or 6 elementary schools...he certainly couldn't spend very much time in each and still get his job done.

(10-08-2014 08:52 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I was referring to ERC's drive-by comment that:

"A Muslim student could bust out a prayer rug and bow to Allah and they would call it 'celebrating diversity.'"

To me, this is idiotic. And for several reasons. A student isn't just going to roll out a rug in the middle of the lunchroom without prior notice, not to mention the cleanliness of a lunchroom floor. That's not how their religion works. It's ignorant to suggest otherwise. And it wouldn't be called celebrating diversity. It would be called something more related to the first amendment.

Sorry for not phrasing it more eloquently.

Quote:The Significance of Islamic Prayer Mats
Cleanliness is a requirement of Islamic prayer, called "salat." Muslims pray five times daily. Before they do so, they must perform certain ablutions, cleaning at least the hands, feet and face in preparation. Muslims must then pray atop a clean surface. The prayer mat is not an absolute requirement, but it nevertheless ensures that the surface on which the believer kneels remains sufficiently clean.

When you try to get serious is when you're funniest. Because you're overtly wrong in so many ways. It's amusing to see the results of your best efforts to think.

Someday we'll have minarets at every public school. And Christians will be fed to the lions.

Protecting someone's religious freedom also means not subjecting children to prayer at a public school.

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(10-08-2014 06:43 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Protecting someone's religious freedom also means not subjecting children to prayer at a public school.

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Oh, I get it... Just subject them to not being able to pray at a public school, even if they want? That sure protects their religious freedom, right?

(10-07-2014 10:48 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  I'm going to assume another student or group of students complained and they handled this wrong.

While I remain skeptical (because this would be an incredibly stupid thing for a superintendent to do), people do incredibly stupid things on a regular basis so this is definitely a possibility. It's certainly a more plausible scenario than my initial thought--an eagle eyed superintendent scanning the lunch room to catch anyone taking too long between sitting down and starting to eat.

The Bible says pray in private.

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I really doubt this story.

Me too. Sounds like another story making the rounds about supposedly not being allowed to call children boys and girls. It's amazing what people will believe nowadays.

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(10-08-2014 09:50 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  The Bible says pray in private.

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No it doesn't.

You are twisting a verse that teaches not to pray in public just for the sake of others seeing you pray. That verse is a reference to hypocritical pharisees that made big spectacles of their public prayers simply so people would think highly of them as holy men. That is not real prayer.

The actual meaning of the verse is about why you are praying, not were.

Jesus and the disciples prayed in public every single day.

Quote:‘Dad I have something to tell you. Today for lunch right before I was going to eat, I bowed my head to pray, and the superintendent came up to me and said I couldn’t do that,’”

TOTAL UTTER BS. :) The ACLU will be the first to Defend HER if such a wild-wet-dream that social conservatives want to be true, was true.

The teachers (=government) can't have students pray, or preach religious stuff To students. The Students themselves? There's never an issue with they themselves praying. Just them disrupting classes or their peers like yapping about anything else (except MAC football, that's cool). :)

Controversial subjects are when students get to do a speech to the student body, yet Preach religiously. That's controversial when the student gets to "make a speech about what they want".

IMO, if it's Totally free -- with no sponsorship of what they say by the school (the govt) -- sure, have at it.

If it is sponsored by the school, then they are a speaker OF the school (the govt). One shouldn't split hairs by side-comments as that can happen (I'm not a fan of that), but if they are horning in to be evangelical, then yes, that's crossing the line in that case.

(10-09-2014 12:32 AM)toddjnsn Wrote:  

Quote:‘Dad I have something to tell you. Today for lunch right before I was going to eat, I bowed my head to pray, and the superintendent came up to me and said I couldn’t do that,’”

TOTAL UTTER BS. :) The ACLU will be the first to Defend HER if such a wild-wet-dream that social conservatives want to be true, was true.

lol

Until we actually have a single shred of evidence that the story is false, the far left crew needs to give it a rest.

Even if its true, its going to be a pretty isolated incident.

I find it fascinating how many far left posters react defensively, angrily or bitterly to the thread.

There wasn't a thing in the world wrong with it and you would think we all support religious freedom in our country and find the situation disturbing, even if isolated.

(10-09-2014 12:32 AM)toddjnsn Wrote:  

Quote:‘Dad I have something to tell you. Today for lunch right before I was going to eat, I bowed my head to pray, and the superintendent came up to me and said I couldn’t do that,’”

TOTAL UTTER BS. :)

Just like that story where the school guard wouldn't let the dad enter while wearing a military uniform. Right?

Quote:The teachers (=government) can't have students pray, or preach religious stuff To students. The Students themselves? There's never an issue with they themselves praying.

I love how leftists know exactly how every event in the world has happened.

Quote:Just them disrupting classes or their peers like yapping about
If it is sponsored by the school, then they are a speaker OF the school (the govt). One shouldn't split hairs by side-comments as that can happen (I'm not a fan of that), but if they are horning in to be evangelical, then yes, that's crossing the line in that case.

You ever actually read what the founding fathers wrote?

Where did Jesus and the 12 pray in public?

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(10-09-2014 08:05 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Where did Jesus and the 12 pray in public?

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Multiple times.

Have you not read John 17 which starts, "Jesus spoke these things; and lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said..."

Have you not read the Sermon on the Mound? Or when he raised Lazarus from the Dead?

Have you not read the book of the Acts? Acts 4:23, Acts 12:12, ect.

Did Jesus not give prayers of thanks before feeding the multitudes?

Jesus prayed publicly even from the cross...

"FATHER forgive them for they know not what they do!"

(10-09-2014 08:05 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Where did Jesus and the 12 pray in public?

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In the Garden of Gethsemane for one.

And while yes Jesus said to pray in private (Matthew 6:6), he certainly didn't say to ONLY pray in private. In this verse he was speaking in contrast to hypocrites praying in public, giving the false impression that they're holy.

You should probably leave comments about the Bible to people who actually read it once in awhile.

(10-09-2014 09:01 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 08:05 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Where did Jesus and the 12 pray in public?

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In the Garden of Gethsemane for one.

And while yes Jesus said to pray in private (Matthew 6:6), he certainly didn't say to ONLY pray in private. In this verse he was speaking in contrast to hypocrites praying in public, giving the false impression that they're holy.

You should probably leave comments about the Bible to people who actually read it once in awhile.

Technically, Christ’s prayer in Garden of Gethsemane was Biblically presented
as to be private, it’s assumed that the recorded account of that event came
from an eavesdropping Mark, who is supposed (by some scholars) to the
the young unclothed boy that followed with the apostles.

(10-09-2014 09:30 AM)AngryAphid Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 09:01 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 08:05 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Where did Jesus and the 12 pray in public?

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In the Garden of Gethsemane for one.

And while yes Jesus said to pray in private (Matthew 6:6), he certainly didn't say to ONLY pray in private. In this verse he was speaking in contrast to hypocrites praying in public, giving the false impression that they're holy.

You should probably leave comments about the Bible to people who actually read it once in awhile.

Technically, Christ’s prayer in Garden of Gethsemane was Biblically presented
as to be private, it’s assumed that the recorded account of that event came
from an eavesdropping Mark, who is supposed (by some scholars) to the
the young unclothed boy that followed with the apostles.

Quote:Luke 22:39-46 Jesus went out as usual to the Mount of Olives, and his disciples followed him. On reaching the place, he said to them, “Pray that you will not fall into temptation.” He withdrew about a stone’s throw beyond them, knelt down and prayed, “Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.” An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him. And being in anguish, he prayed more earnestly, and his sweat was like drops of blood falling to the ground. When he rose from prayer and went back to the disciples, he found them asleep, exhausted from sorrow. “Why are you sleeping?” he asked them. “Get up and pray so that you will not fall into temptation.”

(10-09-2014 09:57 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 09:30 AM)AngryAphid Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 09:01 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 08:05 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Where did Jesus and the 12 pray in public?

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In the Garden of Gethsemane for one.

And while yes Jesus said to pray in private (Matthew 6:6), he certainly didn't say to ONLY pray in private. In this verse he was speaking in contrast to hypocrites praying in public, giving the false impression that they're holy.

You should probably leave comments about the Bible to people who actually read it once in awhile.

Technically, Christ’s prayer in Garden of Gethsemane was Biblically presented
as to be private, it’s assumed that the recorded account of that event came
from an eavesdropping Mark, who is supposed (by some scholars) to the
the young unclothed boy that followed with the apostles.

Quote:Luke 22:39-46 Jesus went out as usual to the Mount of Olives, and his disciples followed him. On reaching the place, he said to them, “Pray that you will not fall into temptation.” He withdrew about a stone’s throw beyond them, knelt down and prayed, “Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.” An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him. And being in anguish, he prayed more earnestly, and his sweat was like drops of blood falling to the ground. When he rose from prayer and went back to the disciples, he found them asleep, exhausted from sorrow. “Why are you sleeping?” he asked them. “Get up and pray so that you will not fall into temptation.”

Yep, that’s it.
Matthew’s account has Peter and the Zebedee boys grabbing forty winks twice.